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Rogers Lakewood Park

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Thomashasfun
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Experience: 22.8 years 496 played 494 reviews
4.50 star(s)

Excellent variety, well thought out design

Reviewed: Played on:Jul 17, 2024 Played the course:once

Pros:

Course variety and types of holes:

The mix here is fantastic. You start off with this kind of tunnel shot with a mando right, basket tucked into the trees with a pond behind/right of it and foliage left. Not a super hard par 3 compared to the rest of the course but good indication of what is to come.

You make your way up some hills, down some hills, and for sure through the trees that add challenge. Then you find your self in a more open, grass surface, park style course that is less rugged but the holes aren't any less interesting. Then you have the big top of the world downhill throw that is more open at the tee than the basket which is kind of reverse from the rest of the course but more on that later. Once you get back to the parking lot and start playing out the later portion of the course you get more wooded holes and rolling hills. Hanging basket, water shot, 24 holes with multiple par 4 holes, pretty awesome.

The way the design challenges you:

There are trees and elevation, yes but the basket locations and the slope of fairways and greens are top notch. You'll have to forgive me as I was on a bagging trip and forget which hole is the exact number. One of the earlier holes as an example has a fairway that starts tight and opens as it doglegs to the right. Combined with the downhill elevation change this makes hitting this line difficult for the RHBH player. If you can make it clean through the first bit of trees and keep turning it over a turnover can work but I suspect a FH is better here. There were several holes like this where it opened up as your disc got closer to the basket then tightened up again. I really appreciated this idea in practice and I think these are the types of holes you get better at over time as you learn them.

Basket locations are well done here, many on strategic slopes or tucked away in the trees. There was also variance around the baskets as far as how many obstacles obstructed putts. Grass, dirt etc. around the baskets meant you had to know if this was going to be a fast or slow green to throw upshots into which just lead to more strategic decisions which I am a huge fan of.

Punishment off the fairway:

This course does an excellent job of punishing bad throws. You don't hit the fairway here and you are scrambling with some weird FH or thumber or something that you've probably only ever thrown a few times before. Which is a good thing in my opinion for both building disc golf skills and creating scoring separation between those who throw well and those who do not.

Cons:

My biggest gripe are the new holes they added "x""y""z" as they are not good holes and do not fit the rest of the course at all. They obviously did some work chopping down some skinny trees to makes these three holes but they are weird distances, weird slanted fairways that seem out of place. "X" is getable for a birdie but it's low percentage to make it through the trees in this section. The other two could be get by somebody who has a better arm than me and gets lucky. Not disastrous but not great either, I say skip these holes honestly especially if you hate mosquitoes and rugged terrain.

The only thing this place doesn't have in terms of variety is tight woods holes. They have moderately treed holes but nothing of the sort in say east Texas for example. It does have everything else though so this is a nitpick for sure.

Seems I missed out on around 4-5 long basket locations throughout the course which is too bad. I walked to them and looked back at the teepad/fairway. Not necessarily a con but I would just keep the longs in all the time. I'm basing my rating on the long basket placements for each hole.

It's $8 freaking dollhairs which is worth it in my estimation but some of you out there who don't want to pay for disc golf are going to be pissed driving up to a gate and having to pay for entrance. My advice to you is do not play disc golf in the midwest, almost every course is pay to play!

Other Thoughts:

I'm guessing some of the reviewers played a different version of the course I played, one even mentioned something about it being a pitch n putt which this is far from. I'm guessing they played short tees perhaps or was it redesigned? I don't know.

Of the 2 dozen or so courses I played on my trip to the Midwest, this was by far my favorite and what I think was the best. This may be controversial but I'd take this place over Blue Ribbon Pines. Does it have a pro shop? No. Does it have all of the wonderful amenities? No. What it does have is some amazing disc golf and one of my favorite holes of all time, a par 4 uphill holes that is quite beautiful. If you enjoy a challenge and appreciate great course design I recommend this place highly.
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EspressoPatronum
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Experience: 19.3 years 316 played 298 reviews
3.50 star(s)

Top Tier of NW Indiana

Reviewed: Played on:Nov 17, 2023 Played the course:once

Pros:

- some good elevation change incorporated
- good mix of open and wooded holes
- Innova DISCatcher baskets in good shape, with hole numbers
- tee signs with full color maps with current pin position
- multiple pin positions per hole
- concrete tees with brick extensions behind
- benches and garbage cans throughout course
- area mostly devoted to disc golf
- wooded areas contain mature trees and are somewhat picturesque
- well maintained/mowed park
- longer concrete tees on final 6 holes
- notable length with most holes over 250 ft
- great water hazard on hole 24

Cons:

- a few places where built in stairs/bridges could have been helpful
- a lot of tees are sunken and showing their age
- a little light on amenities, no practice basket
- in fall, thick leaves on the ground can make finding discs hard
- could use next tee signs to aid navigation in places
- a few safety hazards playing near/across access road
- can be muddy in some low-lying areas
- would be nice to incorporate large lake on the property more

Other Thoughts:

It seems I'm in the minority scoring Rogers Lakewood park a 3.5. This is a very respectable course and all of the 4s are warranted... I think the difference for me is mostly subjective and this course just didn't wow me quite to the 4 level.

There is lots of good here - numerous holes that don't tend to feel repetitive, a good mix of wooded and open, and generally good equipment. I'd probably prefer a few more of the tight, wooded holes, but there is a mix of something for everyone here. The park is nice, though the scenery is nothing to write home about. I wish the large lake had been incorporated into the course more; it really only comes into play on holes 1, 2 and 24. I have visions of the Lakeside course at Selah Ranch here in terms of potential, though sadly that course is no longer with us.

Note that the map on DGCR as of today is not completely accurate and doesn't show the water carry on hole 24. It looks like some things have been reworked. The concrete tees for holes 19-24 are newer and larger, and these holes add some good variety to the course, though this is definitely a long course you will need some energy for, more in the "hiking boots" category - at least, as much as Indiana gets into that category.

I'll be updating the course info as offseason parking is no longer free - it is $3, but with no fee to actually play the course this is a bargain. There is tons of parking and in November, the park is quite empty. The leaves on the ground are definitely a factor at this time of year, so just be prepared. In addition, the wind can be a significant factor here on the more open holes, both for how your disc flies as well as comfort. With a misty wind at sunrise in November, the first few holes were a bit rough for me.

This course demands a decent level of accuracy as well as a decent arm for distance, with some uphill and downhill shots as part of that. Usually, I'm fairly close to par, or maybe slightly under; not the case here. I was +13 over 24 holes - this is definitely a tougher course. I noted the most significant elevation change on holes 13 and 15.

Navigation was ok but definitely could have been better with some next tee signs. I'm sure there are bathrooms somewhere in this park, but not right by the disc golf course. There were numerous holes throwing over the entrance road, or infrequently-used access roads. I think the risk here is low; I don't like it in terms of design, but it's more something to be aware of than a real issue.

Overall, this course is definitely worth hitting. It's not a destination at all, and heading to Lemon Lake is probably more worth your while if you're coming from a notable distance. I came for the day from Chicago and hit this course, Indiana Dunes NP, and several niners. I think it's worth the day trip and is a very respectable course for the area. It's not quite a 4 for me, but NW Indiana doesn't have tons of epic courses, so this is still one of the better ones.
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Countchunkula
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4.00 star(s)

5:15 to RLW

Reviewed: Updated: Played on:Jun 17, 2023 Played the course:once

Pros:

Roger, Roger.

Rogers Lakewood Park provides both a solid round of disc golf and a solid hike. With 24 holes (plus 3 extras) and hilly terrain, this isn't your everyday walk in the park. RLW proves that there is more than corn in Indiana. Most holes have multiple pin locations (one basket per hole) and a few have multiple tees. Some of those alternate pin locations add a full throw to the length/difficulty as compared to the shorter placements. The course was in all longs when we played, with a few challenging, wooded, multithrow holes.

The course opens up with a water carry with plenty of bailout room and then proceeds into the woods for a couple of holes. The next two holes bring a large clearing into play, but finish and start in the woods respectively (the long placement on 3 is another 110'ish down a reasonably wide corridor into the woods from the short; tee for 4 is tucked just into the woodline). The course returns to the woods after 4 and more elevation comes into play. We stay largely in the woods with reasonably wide (but still demanding) fairways through hole 13. After finishing 13, you come out of the woods to see the tees for 14 and 17 in a largely open grassy park. Hole 14 is excellent. It clocks in at just under 600', with the first half open and significantly downhill and the second half down a dogleg right with a slight left finish. The drive is a great chance to open up and rip one downhill, but placement is still important. A RHBH shot that hyzers out will likely fade waaaaay left of the ideal landing spot. This will not only increase the length of the second throw, but prevent the player from throwing a one angle shot to the green (2nd half of the fariway is plenty wide, but bordered by tall trees). Hole 15 is pretty much flat, but the tee shot forces you to pick a gap and hit it. Hole 16 throws over a cattail marsh for 200' or so and then goes up a steep grassy hill. The cattails are easy to clear, but the right side is bordered with thick shule. Hole 17 is a fairly tough 3 for most players in the shorter 2 positions and a good par 4 in the long. For the RHBH player, first shot is a fairly stock hyzer (with trouble to be found). From there you're either (hopefully) putting on the short positions or throwing a potentially challenging second shot to the long. Challenge on the second throw is provided by the fairly narrow wooded fairway and the quick 5'ish drop to a lower tier, close to the left of the basket. The remainder of the course is largely made up of par 3s with grassy fairways and bordered by mature trees and fairly thick shule. Some of these holes are very good and some are average. The final hole features a suspended basket beneath a wooden arbor, but instead of the basket hanging from a chain, the pole goes upwards to a bracket on the wooden crossbar.

I really enjoyed this course. It was plenty challenging for my (white) skill level and there were only a couple of lines that felt unfair. Elevation is put to great use here. Ups and downs both minor and significant are present on the majority of the holes. The course seems aimed at white/blue level players and does a good job of providing challenge and scoring opportunity for those players. The course features a mix of left and right turning shots (some one angle, some encouraging a flex or hyzer flip play).

While mostly in the woods, if you keep it in the fairway, you'll play mostly on grass. For a mostly wooded course, this is really nice. Of course, this is more true of the fairways than the greens (browns?).

Navigation is easy. We didn't use Udisc and barely looked at the nice course map kiosk on the way to hole 1 and didn't have a problem until 17/18 (see cons).

Cons:

We have clearance, Clarence.

Many tees are good-sized, level concrete. Also present are paver, rubber, and undersized concrete tees. Hole 1 (water carry), 14 (big downhill bomb), and 16 (marsh clear to steep uphill) all feature appropriately sized concrete tees. When there is a less than ideal tee surface, it's usually on a shorter hole.

Signs feature a fairly basic map with distances, intended flightlines, and each basket marked with an X. Not sure why the postions didn't get different letters. There's no indication on the signs as to which pin is in use either. In most (but not all) cases, if you can't see the basket from the tee, it's in the long position

The three "letter" holes (X, Y, & Z), are supposed to be accessed after 9. We totally missed this and only realized they existed when we'd holed out on 17 and were looking for 18 (only an issue with 17 long, the transition would be obvious from the shorter placements).

The course is showing some signs of erosion/traffic damage (especially around baskets).

Other Thoughts:

What's our vector, Victor?

I don't know how often pin positions are switched up, but the other collars we saw looked clean. It was encouraging to see that the course was in all longs as this requires significantly more mowing/upkeep for a handful of holes. The operators would be saving themselves a not insignificant amount of labor and gas if they chose to only use short and mid positions.

This course has been in the ground for more than 20 years. In some places, underbrush appears to have expanded well beyond what was present at the time of the original design. It's up to you dear reader, to make up your mind if that's a pro or a con.

This course is about an hour from where I live (assuming favorable traffic) and somehow I'm only just playing it now. Not sure how that (didn't) happenm, but glad it finally did and I plan to be back. As long as my skills don't improve (ha!) or degrade too much, this course really hits my sweet spot for fun/challenge. If I had played and reviewed this course 10-15 years ago, I would have given it at 4.5. Now, RLW is a very strong 4 in my book.
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davetherocketguy
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Experience: 20.3 years 114 played 105 reviews
4.50 star(s)

Not your average pitch-n-putt 2+ years drive by

Reviewed: Played on:Sep 9, 2022 Played the course:2-4 times

Pros:

- Old Innova discatchers still in great shape
- Concrete tees (mostly) and all are in great shape.
- Navigation isn't great but really not bad either
- This is obviously a course that is taken care of by the locals. Nicely done.
- Benches throughout which is really appreciated by this old man after wandering up and down the hills.
- The use of elevation here is fantastic.
- Excellent mix of wide open shots to narrow wooded holes. The variety is amazing really.
- Looking at uDisc it appears there are A LOT of different pin locations. Good grief. We played the longs and appreciated the whipping the course delivered us.

Cons:

Cons...Well...time to be picky I guess.

- I felt like some of the holes like (I think) 16 came pretty close to walking trails. I seem to remember one of the holes on the front 9 had one of the walking trails walking right down the fairway.
- I felt like there were a few holes that were a little bit of a let down like #22. Kinda ho-hum I guess.
- Some of these holes are just brutal. I think it was #12 with a long sweeping uphill left dogleg down a super narrow wooded lane. Yikes.

Other Thoughts:

I feel like unless you're a 1000+ rated player this course is not a pitch and putt. You play here prepare for a decent workout wandering up and down hills and enjoying every minute of it. Be prepared also for the thick rough. There is poison ivy and lots of thickets. That's not a con or a pro - just the way it is here in the midwest. Also if you play all 24 it's going to take a little while but it'll be a lot of fun. Definitely worth the stop to play here.

I can't believe I live a mere 50 minutes away and I don't play here more often...
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wolfhaley
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Experience: 20.5 years 1165 played 745 reviews
4.00 star(s)

2+ years

Reviewed: Played on:Jun 16, 2019 Played the course:once

Pros:

This course is in a multiuse park with many other amenities. The disc golf course stays away from other activities for the most part. A walking/biking trail comes into play on some holes but that's about it. Even that would seem to need a bad kick to really be in play. There is a mix of concrete, brick and rubber tee pads, with most being concrete. All of these are good sized and have nice footing. No problems with them on a wet June afternoon. One tee location per hole but many holes have multiple pin locations. There are benches and nice posts by a lot of the holes. The posts have hooks to hang bags from which is always a bonus. The signs are a bit worn but are serviceable for the most part. They show a basic hole layout, hole number, distances and all (I believe) pin placements. It has the next hole number which is very helpful. The baskets are DISCatchers that caught fine and stand out nicely in the woods. 24 holes here, This course will test every shot in your bag. Lots of elevation comes into play adding to the difficulty. There is a solid mix of tight, technical wooded holes, wide open up and downhill bombs and some standard city park like holes sprinkled throughout. Hole 24's basket is elevated, kind of. It's unique but strange in that it doesn't add much for challenge. Looks nice though. Water comes into play on the first 2 holes in the form of a small pond. There's a pro shop by the parking lot, which unfortunately wasn't open on the Sunday I was there, but is awesome to have anyway. Plan on a few hours minimum to play this. It took me and my wife over 2 hours to play and we generally play pretty fast.

Cons:

As mentioned earlier $8 a day is very steep to play, but it is by vehicle not person so if you go with more than one person it's more tolerable, but that's expensive for a single non local player. The rough is brutal in some spots. I mean it's not the worst I've seen by any means but be sure to watch carefully where you threw or you could be searching for awhile. The flow is a little tricky in a couple spots but nothing too hard to figure out. Don't get me wrong, the majority of the course is appealing to the eye but the old cracked park roads are an eyesore. And I think it was 19, one serves as the majority of your fairway. Kind of odd I guess. As I mentioned above the signs aren't in great shape. Some are pretty good but some are hardly readable anymore.

Other Thoughts:

This is a very fun but very challenging course for sure. Definitely not a beginner course. This course is clearly designed for advanced to at least intermediate players. It is definitely worth a round or two if you're anywhere nearby. I've been waiting to play this one for awhile and was not disappointed. You can tell that a lot of love goes into this place, kudos to the guys doing the dirty work, It shows. Excellent course.
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jjtwinnova
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Experience: 9.3 years 284 played 97 reviews
3.50 star(s)

Rogers' Revenge 2+ years

Reviewed: Played on:Jun 22, 2017 Played the course:once

Pros:

Intro:
I grew up about ten minutes from this park, even attended a camp within it's borders. Now, seven years after I moved away, now a person who actually knows what those funny chain contraptions we saw when we were six are. Man, do I wish I discovered disc golf sooner.

Pros:
Difficulty-This course is not for the weak. The holes test your length and accuracy in a great way. You can be severely punished for poor shots, and rewarded for the good ones. You just need to be consistent for all 24 holes, not that hard, right? Wrong.

Design- The holes test every shot in your game. You can throw a putter off the tee, and then a driver. A forehand, then a backhand. There are so many holes to gain or lose strokes, you will battle all the way until the last hole.

Amenities- The tee pads were nothing to write home about, but they really did their job. That's always a plus. The tee signs weren't flashy, but they are informative with distance and a map. Baskets are Innova Discatchers, but they look newer than the ones in the picture. They were nice and caught well.

Feature holes- Hole 15 is a beautiful downhill bomb that forces distance and placement for a chance at the three. Rough lining the fairway makes you nervous, but you just have to crush it. Hole 24 has a hanging basket, set under a nice wood structure with a death hill behind it, making a great ending for the round.

Maintenance- The fairways were all mowed, and I saw park workers clearing some branches and trimming bushes while I was there in the middle of the week. Glad to see them working on the course.

Navigation- The next tees were close to the last basket, but not in the way. It was intuitive for the most part, and my group never got lost.

Cons:

Dense Rough- Wow, was it rough. The off fairway woods were covered in undergrowth, including poison ivy. The open holes sometimes had knee high grasses lining the fairway too. In our group of two, we lost five discs, It was not fun, and it added an hour and a half to our round at least looking for discs.

Difficulty- Yes, this was a pro too. However, there was only one pad per hole, and as I said, this is not an easy course. I can't imagine how hard this course would be for a newer player. Especially with the dense rough, that is a recipe for disaster.

Safety- Some of the holes played close to pavilions, walking trails, park roads, and more places that were not disc golf specific. There were places that had the ability to be filled with walkers, picnickers, and more people who don't know what a disc is.

Price- The cost to enter the park is a bit high. 6/8 dollars per vehicle. However, if you get there early enough, the pay station is empty, which it was for me, but I think 6/8 bucks to get in a park that was not covered in costly amenities is extreme.

Geese- Not really a con, but hole one was covered in goose feces, as well as the herd of 30+ geese guarding the pond. They were not friendly to us, hissing a lot. Death by goose is not how I want to go.

Other Thoughts:

I can definitely see the potential of a four star (disc) course, They need better tees and tee signs, maybe a couple redesigned holes and a good weed whacking throughout the woods before I would feel justified giving it a 4. However, with the amount of work I believe that the club puts in, this could be a real destination.

I still would recommend this course to anyone, It was a nice round, and I am proud that the town I grew up in put so much into a great course!
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TeebirdDan
Experience: 21.4 years 90 played 24 reviews
4.00 star(s)

valpo rocks 2+ years drive by

Reviewed: Played on:Aug 27, 2016 Played the course:5+ times

Pros:

hole 1 sets the tone with a pond shot, not over the top hard but its a good size one . lots of good hills n woods to play threw. shot selection chainges up well a few open shots on 14 threw 16, 14 is a 590 ft down hill. looks like that hole on the Toboggan course that they always film people teeing off on the USDGC footage. this course also has some of the nastyest ruff [thorn bushes with vines growing in them] or thorny trees on the dogleg of 17 that grab your disc better than a cedar tree. hole 24 has a really sweet top mounted hanging basket .they are the old disc catchers with the bar stamp .classy cool .glad to see them honestly even being old you just don't see them too often

Cons:

the park upkeep is week in general ,skate park is in the worst shape ,does not seem the park dept cares enough ,wonder where the 7 bucks i pay to play there [to valpo parks] goes

Other Thoughts:

great stop if your coming back on 90 and its getting close to rush hour and you do not want to spend hours in Chicago trafific .
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shaggy65
Experience: 23.1 years 40 played 4 reviews
4.50 star(s)

Great Course 2+ years drive by

Reviewed: Played on:Sep 13, 2016 Played the course:5+ times

Pros:

Lots of unique, interesting holes including throwing over a ravine in the woods, throwing down a huge hill, throwing up the same hill, throwing your tee shot beneath a large log, and throwing over a pond (if you dare). A variety of shots are required (long and short, FH and BH, wide open and precise). Of all the courses I've played, this is my favorite.

Cons:

Can get a bit muddy at times. There are a few spots where it's easy to lose discs in thick woods.
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whitefedora
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Experience: 16.1 years 947 played 36 reviews
4.00 star(s)

Well rounded fun 2+ years

Reviewed: Played on:May 30, 2016 Played the course:once

Pros:

Baskets are all in good shape and of a good caliber.
Mostly paver tee pads (with some exception) that are all level and have good grip.
Easy to navigate.
Signage is adequate.
Huge multiuse park that is very well maintained and has lots to offer, yet the course seems to mostly stray away from other activities. And yet there is easy parking, bathrooms, and a water fountain because of this.
Great elevation changes and fun shot shaping requirements with a few open holes to really air out some distance.
Some risk reward is definitely an element here, but maybe not quite as much as you would think. A lot of the fairways open up more than you initially think and is harder to get into the rough than it would appear from the tee pad. Still need good shots for sure though.

Cons:

Rough can be kind of gnarly, but like I said, it's harder to get in there than it looks.
A couple of the holes seemed kind of boring. I like to have a couple open holes, but holes 4 and 5 just seemed open to be open and you literally play back and forth across a field.
The skate park could be at risk on a couple really bad throws.
A couple of gimmicky like features (that I really didn't mind, but in general am not a fan of).

Other Thoughts:

This course with a little refresh to some of the more modernized courses could be really high up there. It's a beautiful stroll through the park and clearly has a good grounds crew looking after it.

I very much enjoyed the giant downhill 14 throw that required you not to go too far or flip your disc over too much. And I really liked the variety of topography used. The Anny over the valley across smaller shruby trees. Just really fun, beautiful golf. Can't ask for much more than that.
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Jashwa
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Experience: 20.4 years 177 played 88 reviews
4.00 star(s)

4.1 2+ years

Reviewed: Updated: Played on:Jul 27, 2014 Played the course:once

Pros:

I played the "Dominator Layout" at this course, which combines a few of the holes from the standard layout to make for a super tough 21 hole course. I was able to see/walk the standard 24 hole layout. Here are the "pros":

• Very challenging and rewarding golf. Every hole is a physical and mental test and the course forces you to throw every shot you have. There are several holes that force you to have good shots from start to finish. Even on a good drive you will need to throw controlled upshots and putts. This is a nice change of pace from many courses where a good drive means either an easy two or a drop in three.

• Elevation is a huge factor on this course. Almost every hole has some element of elevation

• Hanging basket on hole 24 (21 on dominator layout) with a steep drop-off behind made for a great risk/reward opportunity

• Hole 14 is an amazing 590 ft. dogleg right down a HUGE hill. Heavy woods on the right preventing an easy hyzer. If I hadn't been playing a tournament round I probably would have thrown three or four discs off this one.

• Navigation was smooth, there was a practice basket before hole 1, and the giant park had nice bathrooms (well, nice for a park anyway). There is plenty of parking, a climbing wall, and lots of other fun things to do.

Cons:

• The biggest con of the course is safety. The disc golf here interacts heavily with the surrounding park, causing interference from bikers, cars, skateboarders, etc. One hole even calls for a throw over a skate park. There are a lot of fairways that are close enough to other holes to create potential for injury.

• The teepads here are okay, but are in somewhat rough condition

• Not a beginner friendly course, even in the regular layout.

Other Thoughts:

If the rest of the park was closed and the only thing happening at Rogers Lakewood was disc golf then there would be no reason to give this course less than a 4.5... but that will never be the case. The hazards on the course take away from a delightfully challenging round. Even so, I highly recommend this course to any serious golfer travelling through the Valparaiso area.
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Three Putt
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Experience: 29.9 years 158 played 131 reviews
4.00 star(s)

All the gifts of life are held within our walls 2+ years

Reviewed: Updated: Played on:Jun 14, 2014 Played the course:2-4 times

Pros:

To me, Valpo is like Rush. I know Rush is a great band with great musicianship and from time to time I'll find myself enjoying "Spirit of Radio" or "Red Barchetta," but for the most part it's lost on me. I saw them in concert with a buddy who was having a near-religious experience; I was having an OK time but by the end I was bored. I don't think I'm the Rush target audience.

To get back to disc golf: Valpo is a fantastic disc golf course. It has good variety in distances, lots of uphill and downhill shots, really thick shule to punish errant shots, aggressive left and right pin placements to force you to use a variety of shots off the tee (plus the bag of trick shots you will need if you get off the fairway) a few open "let 'er rip" shots...If you are a serious player, this should be your course. Other than a couple of gimmicky holes (#2 and #19) the holes seem well designed. The course has good tees, good baskets, adequate signage, good flow...all the elements of good, tough golf are there. The group of guys who work on this course are serious about their golf, so the pin placements seem to be set farther and farther back as time goes on, making the course stay tough as discs have gotten longer. If what you like is tough golf, read no further. Valpo is your course and you should make sure to hit this one up. Shot for shot, I can't really complain at all about this course.

Now I'm going to complain...

Cons:

I was charged $8 at the gate. $8 for disc golf is out of my comfort zone.

The park is overgrown with old decaying roads and some of the most humongous poison ivy you will see growing anywhere. It's not a pretty park by any stretch of the imagination. It really doesn't hurt the golf; the fairways are mowed and the overgrown shule makes the course play harder. However, I paid $8. For $8 I want Channahon-pretty. Valpo is not Channahon-pretty.

The course has two "meh" holes, #2 has a skate park fence to the left and #19 has a park road for a fairway. Both of them look like the designer just couldn't figure out how to get you to the next hole without sticking in a filler hole. For $8, I expect more than filler holes.

The course is 24 holes. For a rec player, the course is a brutal beat-down of lost discs and 7's on the scorecard. Once I finish the long uphill shot at 16, I'm pretty much done. At 19 you are back close to the parking lot, but I had five holes to go and I paid $8 so I went through the motions of five joyless holes of disc golf just wanting to get the Hell out of there. I'd actually like this course more if it didn't have those extra holes. The holes up at the front of the park end up with kids from picnics running across the fairway, so it doesn't even seem like a good place to have those holes anyway.

All of these things would not be worth mentioning, except...dude, they charged me $8. I was expecting $5. $6 I could live with. $8 really, really pissed me off right from the get go.

Other Thoughts:

In the end, I'm not the Valpo target audience. The course is very challenging, physically demanding and mentally draining. I'm not that kind of golfer anymore. I'm too old, my knees are too wobbly and my game is too weak to hang in here. The park itself is too overgrown for me to really enjoy, so by the end I'm just hoping for it to all end soon. All of which doesn't mean all that much; I've rated it highly because it deserves to be rated highly. It's a very good disc golf course that I'm pretty sure most players will enjoy. That I really don't enjoy it says more about the level of my game than it does about the course. It's a very good disc golf course that I don't happen to like.

Mostly because they charged me $8. I'm really cheap and that ticked me off. A lot. I didn't even get a kiss.

Maybe on another day I will see the light; I find myself jamming out to Rush every now and again.
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smyith
Silver level trusted reviewer
Experience: 23.1 years 218 played 68 reviews
3.00 star(s)

Overrated 2+ years

Reviewed: Played on:Sep 22, 2013 Played the course:once

Pros:

I really like the little features they added to the basket so they would not shred your disc like Innova baskets can.
Signs are easy to follow.
Good mix of shots and challenges. Not very exciting though for most part. There were a few placement shot holes.

Cons:

Inconsistent teepads. i dont care what the teepad is made of, but really dont like random sized pads on every hole.
Hole 8's water OB is just stupid. Why would you intentionally put a stagnate bacteria, rock, and broken glass filled puddle under what is probably the most consistently hit tree on the fairway???? And its not marked on the tee sign and not easy to notice from the tee.
Poor use of the land. So many features left untouched. Greens dont have risk/reward for most part.
The "hanging" basket, isn't a hanging basket. It's fixed to a pole, takes the fun out of the concept.

Other Thoughts:

This course is better than a 3 but not a 3.5. I have no desire to ever return either. A total waste of a 2 hour drive (one way).
For as much as this course is hyped up, I was really surprised at how thoroughly I did not enjoy it. I got bored of the course very quickly. It had a feeling of being hacked together and not thought out as a whole course (like 3 different course in one).
You could put a really amazing 18 hole course in here. The land has so many unique features to take advantage of, would be nice to see them used and the course more than a pitch'n'putt.
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jhgonzo
Gold level trusted reviewer
Experience: 26.4 years 92 played 46 reviews
4.00 star(s)

Mister Rogers' DOMINATORhood 2+ years drive by

Reviewed: Played on:May 22, 2013 Played the course:once

Pros:

1. Variety. While there tends to be an emphasis on RHFH/RHBH anhyzer shots (writing as a predominantly RHBH thrower), I found myself throwing everything but rollers or overhand shots, which together probably comprise less than 2% of my shots anyways. The glacial terrain in this part of the state means plenty of topographical variety, and it is well utilized in the design, with uphill, downhill, cross-hill, valley, and hump shots. The first two holes feature water, #1 with a carry over a decent-sized pond but plenty of bailout to the left for the majority of players (the risk here, at least with the long pin, is deciding to go for it, which appears to require a late-fading RHBH anhyzer over the water with plenty of trees to the right to knock you into the drink if you cut too hard - thus, the only "pucker factor" you experience here will be self-induced on choosing to go for it since it's not really a big forced carry), and #2 is another RHFH-friendly shot through tight woods just over 200' to a slightly elevated pin a few feet from the same pond - that is definitely a hell of a way to kick off a round, with very reasonable holes (distance-wise) that present big opportunities with big risk! Hole #3 (Dominator) was a monster hole that combined classic holes #3 and #4 into a hole requiring power and strategy - uphill blind placement shot off the tee followed by another BIG placement shot across a field into a right-curving (of course!) wooded corridor. Several of the holes in the Dominator configuration felt Toboggan-esque, specifically #12 and #13. I loved seeing #7, a RHBH hyzer around a grove of trees with a little pond (puddle?) that was blind from the tee (and thus completely unbeknownst to me, a traveling solo player), which kind of reminded me of a miniature Blueberry Hill #13. In the Dominator layout there were a lot of OB roads marked, but I'm not sure if those apply to the classic layout; in any case, they added another layer of difficulty to a number of holes. The finishing hole, #18/24, is a unique suspended basket that would seem gimmicky, but with the steep drop-off directly behind the basket you definitely think twice about your layup shot, as there is nothing to stop you from skipping and sailing underneath the basket into potential yuckiness. One thing I particularly enjoyed about the Dominator layout was the requirement for placement shots on the really long hybrid holes...that shows either great foresight in the design or great improvisation with the existing design (which I think is more likely with the propensity for locals to play safari and discover these routes).

2. Maintenance. This appears to be a pretty popular multiuse park with fishing, hiking/walking, party pavilions, fishing, and even a little rock-climbing wall, but overall the course and other park areas I saw were pretty clean. The fairways were mowed, and while plenty of thick rough abounds, you will often find walking trails cutting through even the densest foliage. Trash cans were abundant, and litter was not.

3. Equipment. The DISCatchers are in decent shape but a little dated (i.e. the kind where a fluke DROT can drop through, and wouldn't you know it I did just this during my round!); the tees, while varied, are all pretty level and don't present any major hazards; there's a beat-up little clubhouse near a beat-up practice basket with "Round 9" putting practice bricks in the ground ("beat-up" being a good thing as it signifies long and constant use, meaning a solid base of DG in the community); the tee signs are descriptive with color maps, accurate distances, and OB marked; bag hooks are available at some tees, always nice; long poles sticking up from the baskets on some blind holes aided tee shots. The course is pay-to-play from Memorial Day through Labor Day, so I assume that some of that money goes into the upkeep - and I hope that with Worlds coming nearby soon, not to mention the increasing popularity of the sport, this course will be upgraded in the near future.

4. Location. Not far off I-80/90. Really easy to find in a well-marked park, plenty of signs from nearby highways direct to this park, and signage once in the park directs you to the disc golf course and eventually the practice basket and hole #1. Several parking lots should ease congestion on busy days.

5. Navigation. Pretty intuitive, though I did experience a few hang-ups playing the Dominator layout (see Cons). There is a large colorful course map at the start that one can easily snap a photo of with a smartphone and use in the absence of a hard copy, and even the tee signs indicate adjacent pins/tees.

6. Pay to play. Some consider this a con, but I certainly do not, especially with the usage some of our courses get these days. A modest fee is totally understandable, especially if other park patrons in a multiuse facility are being likewise charged as is the case here from what I understand.

Cons:

1. Tees. While many are just fine as far as being level, there is a bit too much inconsistency here as far as size and texture that I just couldn't ignore, as much as I wanted to overlook it. Brick, concrete, rubber, blacktop, some bordered with timber, one sinking at the back right corner, one too short with insufficient follow-through space...frankly, I was kind of amazed that a State Finals would be held here without first improving these, and I almost wonder if this course would have been included in the upcoming Worlds with better tees (but that's beside the point!).

2. Safety. As noted above, a few holes play close to OB roads, which for the most part are just paved walking paths that didn't seem to be really busy. However, one major issue I noted (at least in this layout) was #17 (#23?), which played not only with the busy park entrance road directly to the right, but plays OVER an intersection of this same entrance road on the approach to the pin, and there was some event going on in the hilltop pavilion, so plenty of traffic was coming to and fro while I tried to make my approach across this road to what admittedly is a very tricky pin location. The walking path near the first and last holes seemed to be the busiest. One other possible conflict would be with the skate park near hole #2, which really would take a bad shot, but if a new player is already bad under pressure and pulls the classic "noob hyzer" it could spell trouble.

3. Navigation. Maybe it was just the Dominator layout combined with first-timerism, but I got a little confused, most notably at #3 - I noticed the sign saying it was a big 700-some-footer to #4's basket, which of course didn't help me at all, so I walked up the hill and saw one basket to my left in a field, figured that was the "classic" pin, and then walked farther to the left and spotted the basket indicated on the sign. I went back and played the hole as I thought it should be played, but then had trouble finding #4's tee, which would have been #5 in the classic layout and playing to the basket I originally spotted and mistook for #3 (this sounds confusing, I know, but hopefully a local or two will understand my frustration at this junction)...I again backtracked #3's fairway to make sure I hadn't played wrong, then eventually figured it all out. Another area was after holing out on #9 and then finding #10, where again I did a little wandering around.

4. Equipment. Again as noted above, the DISCatchers are a bit old though they still catch just fine (my only real issue, which I might have not noticed if it hadn't happened, was the DROT falling through).

Other Thoughts:

This was a great course to play, and I definitely look forward to coming back and updating my review based on the 24-hole layout (which was what I came here expecting to play and was rather surprised by the Dominator layout, but still thoroughly enjoyed myself). I think with the bonus holes added and some of the length removed (and thus fun factor added back in for a player like myself), I will have an experience closer to what I expect from a 4.5-rated course. As it stands, the golf on this layout, while incredibly challenging and scenic, rates just under that, and compared to other courses I've played I think it's closer to a 4.0. I am confident that the 4.5 rating is there, but I will just have to experience the full thing in order to rate it as such. In any case, the 4.0 is still a really high rating, and I highly recommend this course to anyone traveling through. Even shortened to its classic layout, I can see some of the holes being a bit daunting to the beginner, so it's not necessarily an everyman's course, but if you're local and you're going to start learning the sport, this would be a phenomenal place to hone your skills.
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halfbidfor5
Experience: 3 played 3 reviews
5.00 star(s)

Best of the Best 2+ years drive by

Reviewed: Played on:Jul 31, 2012 Played the course:5+ times

Pros:

Will test every facet of your game. You will go to other courses and think you are pretty good untill you get to Rogers. I've heard some folks on here rate it only a four because there is a tee pad they don't like or they think the rough is too punishing. These guys are bedwetters and will complain to a waitress that their coffee is just tooooo hot. Play this course now while the rough is brutal and pins are in long. You will feel like a stud when you pull off a nice shot and you will cuss when you don't. Bottom line is this course will make you come back over and over because that is how bad it messes with you.

Cons:

There are none. Maybe you might find some poison ivy here and there but you will survive.

Other Thoughts:

This is my home course and play it once a week. I also think that the worlds should be played a round at Rogers when they come through next year or in the future. This is the pound for pound champ in Indiana and that has come from several top ams and pros who play it. You will not be dissapointed.
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cmchavis
Experience: 42.7 years 26 played 12 reviews
4.00 star(s)

It's just that good 2+ years drive by

Reviewed: Played on:Jun 24, 2012 Played the course:5+ times

Pros:

I give Rogers Lakewood a 4. I would give it a 5, but the rough is unnecessarily killer at this time of the year and it's a beating if you have an errant throw and there are definitely improvements to be made with the tees..

Like the other reviewers stated - there is plenty of variety to please most golfers. Not going to get into a whole course breakdown, but here are some of the holes and touches that I like and notes on others.

- Hole 1 is in a good starting spot right by the lower parking lot. Problem is that this lot gets real full with a shelter close by, a boat launch, people fishing and disc golfers. Hole 1 parking usually stays shady in the afternoon, but parking is better at hole 2 (skate park) and hole 17 at the top of the hill.

Leagues, maybe still do, but I don't know - usually parked at the top of the hill by 17 and started from there. If you have a large group you can split and start at 17 and 14 since the tees are back to back at the top of the hill by the parking lot.

Holes 2,3,4,5 are pretty straight forward - rough starts to show some teeth on the uphill 3. Hitting a tree and having it kick back into the woods is a fairly common occurrence. 4 and 5 are long but straight.

Hole 6 is probably the beginning of the bad rough and the first place you'll probably most likely lose a disc - use a spotter if possible and definitely try the 'Pro' route of a huge hyzer over the trees.

Holes 11, 12 and 13 make use of some space that was *horrendous* rough in the past while adding some nice variety to the beginning of the back 9. Being that they opened up the rough over here - the huge downhill hole 14 is a little easier to 'give it your all' and not have to worry about losing your favorite disc. 14 still has some dense rough at the bottom right of the hill so try to stay away from there but deeper in and you'll probably end up on either 12 or 13 fairways.

17 is the other hole where having a spotter is a good idea - the rough on the left hand side - over the road is thick.

If you get out early, you can pretty much have the course to yourself. It's pretty quiet once you are out past hole 2. You probably won't run into other people than disc golfers till 19.

If no one is using the shelter at the top of the hill by 17 - it's a good place for field practice. You can use the service road as a tee since it's paved. There are some decent landmarks for estimating distance. It's 370' to the skate park road from the corner of the basketball court and 400' to the 19 tee sign.

Course is fairly easy to navigate - first place that's not obvious at first is 10->11 since you have to backtrack a little down 10 fairway, but it's obvious when you see it. There is a walking path by 10 basket that might confuse someone if they are not paying attention.

Also 23->24 is a little odd - it used to go from 20->24 which was (holes 17->18) when the course was 18 holes so the tee for 24 is near the basket for 20. If you don't look over the road you might miss 21.

The course is clean and there are plenty of trash cans at the tees, there are bag hooks, nice signage.Some of the signs need to be replaced.

Tees can be a pro and a con here - the short tees aren't well marked. There are some red landscape timbers that are buried in the fairways for some of the holes but they are well worn. Some tees are really nice brick and others are wood (spongy on 10) covered in rubber.The nice tees are the pro and the shorts and the wood ones are the cons. 7 has an Am tee that's fairly nice since the Am tee used to be the only tee on 7.

Cons:

A long time ago - 4 and 5 used to have the entire clearing mowed. This opened a bunch of roller routes and made people pull out all their tricks since the wide open space was very forgiving. I kind of wish they would try this again.

A lot of the holes seem to have not gotten the maintenance that they used to get. The 4 and 5 example above is one instance. Perhaps that was intentional. Hole 8 used to have a pond that's just a dried pit now. It really made 8 a nice looking hole.

Have to be careful on 21, there is a shelter by the basket that people rent out and park on the fairway for 21 if it's a large enough group. There is a clear straight route to the right though if you need to avoid some cars.

Hole 19 is downhill, straight at the skate park parking lot. Cars have been hit in the past.

Other Thoughts:

My rating on this is biased - this is pretty much my home course. This is where I really started getting into DG. I had played for years before, but would never have called myself a disc golfer. I am somewhat spoiled since it is such a nice course. PNC is the only closer course, but it's not as nice.

It's hard to review this course, it's changed a lot from when I first started playing it and I know it'll probably change some more, but I'm excited to see what goes on here. And will keep coming back.

The entrance fee is $7 for out of county residents. You can exit and re-enter the park, but ask for a pass at the front gate before you leave.

I don't believe there is any place on site to get any refreshments and it's a long course. Bring plenty.

Park also doesn't seem to mind beer consumption although they post on their website that it's discouraged but from experience, they don't care.

Dogs are allowed on leashes.

There are some walking trails that make use of the woods where the rough is around 4-10 and 17-19.
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#19325
Diamond level trusted reviewer
Experience: 23.4 years 351 played 178 reviews
4.00 star(s)

Valpolicious! 2+ years drive by

Reviewed: Played on:Jun 16, 2012 Played the course:2-4 times

Pros:

This course has some excellent terrain which includes rolling hills, water, woods, and thick rough. There is a really good mix of holes on this course. It's one of those courses that all skill levels are going to like playing.

I was really impressed with the work done on this course since the last time I played there. The tee pads used to be really awful and this was an average course.

There are some really memorable holes on this course. It starts with #1 throwing across the water. Hole #14 is a monster downhill hole that you won't forget. #19 is another fun downhill shot with an island green. Playing all roads out of bounds makes this hole great! Hole #22 has a nice built up elevated green. You finish and Hole #24 has a frame with a sweet haning basket that makes a nice death putt to finish.

More golf is always better. 24 holes on this property.

Tee signs are solid with distances and showing both pin locations.

The baskets are Innova Dicatchers that have inner chains that have been modified. They catch just fine.

Distinct tee pads that are mostly concrete or brick.

Cons:

The one big issue I have are the tee pads. Some of the tee pads are short and uneven. Some have steps up that cannot be approached from behind. One tee is rubber. Every tee pad seems to be different. Some are short.

Other Thoughts:

There is a ton of poison ivy on this course. Protect yourself!

Check the official website. There are a ton of other activities at the park.
http://ci.valparaiso.in.us/index.aspx?NID=633
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AdamE
Diamond level trusted reviewer
Experience: 21.1 years 269 played 148 reviews
4.00 star(s)

2+ years

Reviewed: Played on:Nov 21, 2011 Played the course:once

Pros:

This diverse 24 hole course has superb variety and a something for everyone. It's starts out with a couple shots with the lake in play, there are numerous elevation changes some of which are quite large, there are plenty of wooded holes ranging from lightly wooded to heavily wooded and everything in between, the variety of hole length is quite dramatic, and there are ob roads that come into play on a few holes. The shot variety is excellent with a seemingly even balance of hyper, straight and anhyzer shots.

The vast majority of the holes really make you work for your birdie and a few have good risk/reward.

The course has benches and bag racks on nearly every hole and two basket placements on many of the holes. Tee signs list the distance to each placement and have a nice accurate hole diagram. Some of the basket placements take advantage of elevation changes to make some tough putting greens.

There are a number of other cool and unique features on the course like the arched tree you have to throw under on hole 12, the cool tee pad map on hole 18 and the hanging basket on hole 24.

Cons:

The tee pads are widely inconsistent with some concrete, others are brick and some are rubber. A couple of them gave me problems, but for the most part they did their job just fine.

A few of the baskets are showing their age but it looks like the club has made some upgrades to them and seem to catch just fine which is the important thing.

The ground was muddy and wet in areas but I believe it had rained recently before my trip so that is to be expected.

It can be a bit tricky to find the start of the course. There are tons of signs pointing you in different directions as you enter the park, but none point you towards the disc golf course.

Other Thoughts:

Overall this is an excellent course that's tons of fun! I highly recommend stopping here for a round.

I was wanted to rate this course a 4.5 because the fun factor is very high and it has 24 quality holes, but the tee pads and complete lack of pro par 4's remind me it should be rated a 4.
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KRoweBar
Experience: 19.4 years 25 played 3 reviews
4.00 star(s)

LAKEwood 2+ years drive by

Reviewed: Played on:Nov 1, 2011 Played the course:5+ times

Pros:

This is a large course with every type of hole you can imagine. most holes are deep in the park free from most contact with other park visitors. over the years the course designers have been cutting back the brush making it easier to play almost all year round. you only have to play to play from Memorial Day to Labor day.

Cons:

could use a bit more trimming back of the brush on some holes. water does come into play on some holes mainly on holes 1 and 2, hole 24 but only if it rolls down hill past the basket. this course can get a bit leafy in the summer best if played early spring or late fall, very easy to lose a disc if your a beginner.

Other Thoughts:

this is my home course, i have played it dozens if times. the course is the best its ever been since i started playing it. could use a little grooming on a few holes.
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apdrvya
Diamond level trusted reviewer
Premium Member
Experience: 14.5 years 354 played 299 reviews
4.00 star(s)

hooooooo boy! 2+ years

Reviewed: Played on:Aug 30, 2011 Played the course:once

Pros:

Aesthetic- Beautiful course, integrates water and winds through thick old growth woods. Impressive vistas throughout

Teepads- Will be in pros and cons- Most of the teepads that were bricked were super nice. Of good length and generally oriented well.

Signs/Nav- Nav was relatively easy. There were a few holes that did require guidance because the next hole wasn't evident. Some baskets had "Next Tee" written on them.

Baskets- again, pros and cons here. Most of the baskets seemed to be M-14's with nice deep baskets and double chains. Powdercoating on the innerchains made the baskets highly visible.

Challenge- Holy Challenging. This course will challenge EVERY shot in your bag... A lot of turn-overs, hard anny's and hyzers, water, woods, hills, elevation.

Special Mention- Elevation--Best use of elevation that I've seen in a while. there is a TON of risk/reward here with the water and woods, not to mention a ton of "rollaway" potential

Special Mention- Uniqueness- From throwing from a TeePad in the middle of the road under a tree arch, to elevated pins, to suspended pins, protected baskets, blind throws, you are never left bored...

Cons:

TeePads- there is one pad that is bordered with 2x4's but is sunken, and very slick. The variety of teepads here is a bit wonky. Some of the teepads are "flypaper" and can be uneven, even mushy with the wood underneat not having support underneath.

Baskets- The variety is a bit wonky as well. there are some different baskets here have more shallow baskets than others. I find positives and negatives with the yellow inner chains, it makes the baskets more visible but the ring that holds the inner chains seems bigger than normal which makes bounce outs more common. just my opinion.

Uncontrollables- Trees/schule- THICK at times, great others. nothing can be done about this.

Other Thoughts:

This is a Great course, I was thoroughly impressed. We went down to Indiana to play with Jukeshoe and he was a more than gracious host and guide! We made the right decision to hit up RLW and will most certianly be back...
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numbernine
Silver level trusted reviewer
Experience: 15.3 years 103 played 49 reviews
4.00 star(s)

Put on your big boy pants. It's disc golf time! 2+ years drive by

Reviewed: Played on:Aug 7, 2011 Played the course:once

Pros:

Sweet Monkey Gods is this a great course! However, be prepared to be worn out, beaten, sucked dry and spit back out. This is a course for big boys. Quick list of what I liked, and then a more detailed breakdown in other thoughts.

24 holes.
Amazing Elevation.
Championship Caliber course.
Amazing park.
Great tee pads.

Cons:

It's Three hours from my house.

Other Thoughts:

Hole 1 plays sort of over the water, It shouldn't come in to play, but I saw a couple of folks pansy out and toss one in the drink. Really, you shouldn't drown one here. But if the bigness of the course gets in your dome, you might be going swimming.

Hole 2 plays next to a skate park and by the pond. On the plus side, I got to see a little kid do a drop in for the first time on a half pipe. The down side is that he was immediately smashed in the noggin by an errant throw. The basket on this one sits next to the water. Go long, get wet. That's what she said.

Hole 3 goes WAY up hill. Like...WAY up the dang hill.

Holes 4 and 5 Play in a field that is covered in the thickest, gnarliest, toughest rough that I have ever seen. For the love of all that is holy; STAY IN THE FAIRWAY.

Hole 6 is literally one of the rings of hell. Sure, there is a fairway. Sure there is. If that's what they want you to believe...then fine.

7 has two different tee pads, and I found the Am pad to be much harder than the Pro pad. But then again, I can screw up a one man parade.

Hole 8 is jail from start to finish and has a neigh impossible line around a zillion skinny lil' trees. Throw right, you are OK. get left and just jump in front of a bus. You'll feel better.

9 goes over a road and back up hill. Cool little hole, and a bit of a respite from the rest of the course that destroys you like a Styrofoam cup.

Hole 10 is long, long, and long. Also, the fairway is narrower than a 10 year old's ass. Just jail from tee pad to pin. hit the gap, and you are good to go. That's what she said.

Hole 11 is a sweet little hyzer hole that makes you think that you can play disc golf.

Hole 12 has two tee pads and are probably my favorite holes on the course. the am pad plays underneath a log from the tee pad. Just an amazing view. Also, I birdied both pads, so of course I loved it.

Hole 13 can die in a house fire. Uphill, long, jail the entire way down, and the pin sits on a cliff in the long position. I'd rather get taken to jail and made a large man's girlfriend than to play this hole again.

Hole 14 is 4598409584095 feet downhill with woods all the way down and a HUGE right hand turn. Hang glide to the bottom. It'll be MUCH faster.

Hole 15 is a super long hole back across this huge hill. Trees sit in front of the box, and this 500 ft hole can turn into 5 drives REAL fast if you hit one of those trees. It ain't good.

Hole 16 goes UP the huge hill and it's a giant killer. I can't tell you how long this hole plays when the wind is blowing in your face. I almost hired a courier service to take my disc to the basket instead of throwing it.

Hole 17 is a LOOOONG, TIGHT left turn of a hole that will eat your discs. I saw no less than 12 discs get eaten in 96 holes of golf out there. Devil hole.

Hole 18 is Satan's playground. Long, uphill, 2 foot wide fairway and a huge left turn after it gets out of the woods with trees completely surrounding the hole. Bring a chainsaw.

Hole 19 is downhill and open. That''s about it. Not all of them can be perfect! This was fine though.

Hole 20 was a big uphill shot and kind of wide open.

Hole 21 is a cool little shot that sits behind an entire grove of mature trees. I also liked this hole, as I birdied it twice.

Hole 22 is super sick. OB all the way down on the right, mature trees all the way down to the pin and an elevated pin that sits in a landscaped box. Sick to death hole that demands precision and distance.

Hole 23 is a LONG hole with OB all the way down the right, behind the basket and to the left of the basket. Mature trees spot the fairway, and hills will eat your lunch.

Hole 24 is a sweeping right hand turn with trees lining both sides of the fairway. The shot is tough and the putt is harder, as it ends in a hanging basket, suspended over a mulch bed. Amazing hole!

Seriously people, forget any negative reviews. If there is a down side to this course, it's that beginners will get destroyed out there. Not even close.

Also, out of 24 holes, there are literally 22 different kinds of tee pads. Concrete, brick, rubber, wood, astroturf, etc. But they all worked out well.
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