Over-stable thoughts

[leathercash]

I've been throwing this one for about a month straight. Super fast,insanely over-stable disc that seriously boosted my confidence ten fold. I feel like I have a much better idea of where the bastard will land. Another thing I noticed about this disc is it skips off the drive really hard. When it slams against the ground it launches another 15 sometimes 30(or more) feet. Has anyone else carried a Flick? Whats your thoughts and what else would you recommend.

[atl scott]

I do not carried a flick (although once I threw a 150 flick and it was super over-stable, wow). However this sounds similar to my experience with the excaliber and somewhat the destroyer.

[Tiggertooth]

I have a 150g Flick in my bag, which I use almost exclusively for skip shots, or anything that needs to go way right (I'm a lefty). With the 150g Flick I can get very fast rotation on the disc, and its form factor is such that it can get going very fast very quickly. Doesn't need a lot of room to get to top speed and when it hits the ground it'll skip. And if I want it to will skip, skip, skip. A heavier Flick requires more disc rotation, and I don't seem to have the arm/wrist for it.

I have a few friends who also throw Flicks for the same purpose (though they're RHBH mostly, so it goes way left). In general, seems like the Flick is a great disc for something that needs to fade heavily at the end. I just happen to like the light-weight ones.

[Rbuzz9]

i've got a 171 g Flick and i use it to throw LHFH drives. It's really fast - dont have to worry about turning it over - it just bombs out on a straight line and just does its predictable fade when it slows. I can get more distance with an Xcal but the Flick is more predictable and can take the FH torque a little better - i just need to make sure the nose is down because if its nose up it just ends up being a popup that goes way left. i cant get great BH distance with it but will use it if i need a shot that goes way right

[ForehandMAN36]

I throw a 174 Flick and love it. My "home course" has a ton of mandatory doglegs and this disc is perfect for it. I highly recommend everyone should carry one. It's perfect for hard edge turns and gives you that predictable skip.

[discflinger]

Probably the best headwind disc out there.

[zud00]

I use a Firebird or Monster for those hard fades.

[petecarp]

how does a flick compare to a whippet or whippet-x in terms of speed and stability?

[zud00]

Whippet's specs: Speed-6, Glide-3, Turn-(+)1, Fade-5
Flick's specs: Speed-9, Glide-4, Turn-(+)1, Fade-4

Source: Discgolfcenter.com

[petecarp]

so the flick seems to be very similar but a decent amount faster.

[DannyM]

I use the flick for forehand "s" turn shots when you ABSOLUTELY need it to come back hard. I throw it with a good amount of anhyzer, let it fly out, then it will come back in hard. It will actually go a good distance this way if you have the room to do it.

[Rbuzz9]

id go as far as saying the flick is one of the fastest discs i've thrown - just as fast or even faster than the xcal. (I'm not sure what the best barometer is for measuring disc speed is) It can definitely handle hard full power FH throws better than the Xcal - Speed is what gets most of it's distance- as once it slows it just falls like a brick. Much faster than the whippet.

[garublador]

The only thing to watch out for with the Flick is that it gets it's stabilty partially from how fast the disc is. So, if you really up the relative air speed of the disc (i.e. throw into a really strong headwind) it won't hold it's stability as well as some other discs.

I heard someone tell a story about two different ~550' throws he saw the same person perform on the same day. One was with a Predator and the guy needed to throw it with ~15 degrees of anhyzer to get a distance line. The other was with a Flick and he needed to throw with ~60 degrees of hyzer to get a distance line. Granted, most of us won't ever get the disc up to speed, but it's something to think about when you're choosing a disc for it's overstability.

[leathercash]

It's good to hear others have had good experience with the Flick,I just threw two of mine into a water hazard yesterday so that blows. I think though,it may be my current favorite disc. Has anyone played around with a Flick and really NOT liked it? If so,what didn't you like about it?

[Midnightbiker]

I prefer a Banshee

[leathercash]

^ I throw a banshee now and then and it's a fine piece. Why is it you prefer it over the more hyper stable flicka-roo-ski?

[discflinger]

It's good to hear others have had good experience with the Flick,I just threw two of mine into a water hazard yesterday so that blows. I think though,it may be my current favorite disc. Has anyone played around with a Flick and really NOT liked it? If so,what didn't you like about it?

Well, there's always the spring. I've donned flippers and snorkeling gear for plastic, but always returned named and numbered plastic.

[buzzinb]

Has anyone ever thrown a disc that they've found to be more stable than the Flick? I have a 169 wt that I have been throwing for a few months and it makes my Pred and Xcal seem flippy by comparison.
As Rbuzz9 stated, it is vital to throw this thing nose down. In fact, my best throws (RHFH exclusive for this one) have come from picking out a spot on the ground approx 225' in front and well left of the intended goal and aiming for it. I also make sure that there is a good ammount of anhyzer as well. I find that I can really lean into it and it will shoot out straight at the spot and then start to climb and slowly veer right untill it concludes in a hard fade. Not a max D disc for me but very predictable when I need a hard dogleg right shot. Its really crazy how this thing wants to take on altitude. If I threw any other disc in my bag this way it would be a roller before it reached 125-150'.

[leathercash]

^ Well said buzz,I personally have never thrown anything MORE stable than this Flick. I just lost my last flick ( one of five total) a couple of days ago so I've been grabbing my Orc actually. Seems to do the job pretty well but it just seem sooooo slooooow compared to the Flick.

[garublador]

Has anyone ever thrown a disc that they've found to be more stable than the Flick? It depends on how fast you can throw. Some of these won't seem more overstable unless you throw far or in a really strong headwind.

I've found all of these discs to be more overstable than the Flick, some of them substantially:

Z Predator
Spirit
Speed Demon (the older the run, the more overstable)
Xtreme
Demon
Possibly Drone
Champ Firebird
Possibly Max

[leathercash]

I do have a demon I throw occasionly but I can't throw it as fast as the flick,so that must be way to feel less stable. Makes sense.

[buzzinb]

I've found all of these discs to be more overstable than the Flick, some of them substantially:

Z Predator
Spirit
Speed Demon (the older the run, the more overstable)
Xtreme
Demon
Possibly Drone
Champ Firebird
Possibly Max[/QUOTE]

Interesting list. I actually have a Z-pred and a D-Drone. I can't even hyzer the Drone without it it flipping on me. I actually find I like using it as a windy-day putter though. The Pred is my go-to for moderate dogleg R. shots in the 275-325 range. I definately want to check out the Spirit, Speed Demon and some of those other Gateway hawgs. Beleive it or not, I've never thrown a Firebird. I know it was the "standard" sidearm disc at one time. I just received some Venom ESP's that I'm just itchin' to try. They come in at a Discraft stability rating of 2.2 so we shall see how they fare. If they are anything like an X-cal, I will be stoked:cool: I will provide a follow up. Hopefully I'll get a chance this weekend.

Leathercash, I feel your pain. losing discs always stings. Was your Flick a 150 class? I'm thinking of checking one of those out for a straighter, longer option to the heavier one I have.

Keep slingin'

[garublador]

I can't even hyzer the Drone without it it flipping on me.I've never thrown a Drone, I just always hear them compared to the Demon, which is overstable to the point where it isn't very useful. While it is nice having something that will go left no matter what, I found I had very little distance control with it. I could back off and get 100' or throw my hardest on an anhzyer and get 230'. Trying to get 180' was a crap-shoot. This is one instance where, IMO, faster discs are easier to control.I definately want to check out the Spirit, Speed Demon and some of those other Gateway hawgs.The Speed Demon is out of production. I believe it's just the DT version now (if they still make that), which is intended to be less overstable. The early E/H blends are obnoxiously overstable. The S Spirits I've had have been more overstable than the E's and take remarkably long to break in. I don't know if the S's are still in production, though.

Beleive it or not, I've never thrown a Firebird. The Firbird might not seem as overstable as the Flick at first, but if you get in a real heavy headwind and need to go left it will perform better. The story I told about the guy throwing the Flick and Pred back to back illustrates that. The Illusion is sort of the same way. The ones I had were very overstable from the start. I could hyzer them into headwinds with no problem. However, once they got beat enough and I started throwing farther they got squirrley at high speeds. I lost a couple of them because one time they just flipped over and never came back. One of them was on this hole:

http://www.playdg.com/courses/?s=MN&c=bryantlake&h=11

Imagine throwing your overstable driver into a bit of a headwind on that hole and watching it flip over and hold that turn all the way into the woods at the bottom of the cliff. The Teebirds I threw on that hole all ended up going straight. I'm weary to throw "speed stable" discs now.

[buzzinb]

What a spectacular looking hole. That is a killer website BTW. I really like the target and zoom features.

You bring up an interesting concept in regards to speed contingent stability and how it relates to the wind effect. I think that it also comes into play when throwing the same disc FH vs BH. I generally have a tougher time throwing FH into the wind as opposed to BH because I can naturally generate more speed FH. Nose angle plays a part as well I'm sure. It never gets boring trying to develop a better understanding of disc flight dynamics.

[valkyriefb11]

http://www.playdg.com/courses/?s=MN&c=bryantlake&h=11.

Nice website! Although I was laughing at some of the "recommended discs" which included wham-O discs and an archangel.

[swarren1977]

Which is more overstable the Flick or the Boss?

[valkyriefb11]

Which is more overstable the Flick or the Boss?

the Flick by far ... the boss isnt as overstable as you'd think, its more like a faster destroyer

[buzzinb]

I just couldn't wait untill tomorow so I thought I'd follow up with a review of the ESP Venom 171 that I went out and threw on my lunch break. First impression...sweeeeet!!! Threw with 5 other discs to make comparisons:

Slightly beat Star-Xcal 172
Nearly new Z-Pred 171
Slightly beat Champ-Banshee 173
Brand new ESP Pulse 172
Slightly beat Star-Wratith 170

All RHFH

The ESP Venom definately falls somewhere between the Xcal and Flick as far as stability goes. On the very first throw it shot straight out for about 80% of the flight and then proceded to hook fairly hard to the R. It actually went about 8-10' farther than the Xcal on that initial round. The following rounds it did pretty much the same thing although I got it to turn just a little left when I threw into a light headwind. I find that it really likes to be thrown hard, low and flat...perfect for me. It is pretty cold here currently at around 33* with a wind chill making it worse. I beleive that due to this, I couldn't get my typical distance on any of my throws except for a freak FH hyzer flip with the Wraith that went over the soccer goal (goal to goal). Sure wish I could do that on demand...need a lot of room though as there was considerable lateral movement on that pie tin. Sorry for the tangent there. Back to the Venom, I still want to shake it out a bit more as I only had time to make around 5-6 throws with it. But my initial impression is that it will be give the Xcal a run for the money as far as good distance on a straight line goes. It is definately more stable than the D version for what its worth.
Also, the Pulse did not work out so well as a FH disc for me. When my R. knee gets healthy I will have to try it BH.

[leathercash]

Buzz,nah I've actually thrown a 150 anything. The Flick-a-roo-skis i lost were all at least 173-174.

[leathercash]

^ I almost picked up a Venom yesterday! I shied away because I didn't really like the way it felt in m hand...it has what I've always thought of as a thumtrac,you know like on a wolf but different. Ug hard to explain hung over.