Hyzer Creek in NY

[Olorin]

The basket in the creek looks REALLY pretty and unique. Is the water OB or casual? i.e.- is there a penalty throw added for going in it?

Lowe

[justin]

The water is OB. It's a tough hole. Starts off narrow and downhill slightly with a straight/left/right turn before another straight slight downhill to the river. I'm sure an advanced LHBH or RHFH thrower could snake down for an easy approach and putt. I think it's one of the most creative pin placements out there though! I believe it's a par 4.

[Greg Kurtz]

Hi guys,
Hole 16 is actually a par 5.
All downhill, multiple twists. and then stay out of OB
Hyzer is a great course. All sorts of shots are needed to shoot par
Greg

[CaptainAnhyzer]

All the latest info on Hyzer Creek and other Albany area courses is at: http://www.discap.net

[CaptainAnhyzer]

Currently being installed....... concrete tee pads !!

http://www.discgolfscene.com/media/57692_g.jpg

[zapplayer12]

Currently being installed....... concrete tee pads !!

http://www.discgolfscene.com/media/57692_g.jpg

That's hilarious! I was just there on Monday afternoon and Morgan mentioned something about concrete tees but not that they were being installed so soon.

[CaptainAnhyzer]

Latest news is that 9 were poured........... #1 in place and he poured 8 more in the parking area. Gonna be tough relocating them to the tee areas.

[CaptainAnhyzer]

More work completed today.....

Greg tees up a drop in birdie off the new surface on #18

http://www.discgolfscene.com/media/59659_g.jpg

#11 also is in place

http://www.discgolfscene.com/media/59661_g.jpg

[Jesse B 707]

short tee pads.......the bane of disc golf courses everywhere:(.......looks like a great course though

[klay]

Is it normal to pour pads in one place and transport the entire block of concrete to its resting place?

I would think that if you have the capability to haul a whole pad to its location you might as well haul the raw materials and pour it in place. That way you avoid making the "banes" Jesse mentioned above.

Seems pretty odd but if the topography calls for it I guess more power too you.

[CaptainAnhyzer]

Is it normal to pour pads in one place and transport the entire block of concrete to its resting place?

I would think that if you have the capability to haul a whole pad to its location you might as well haul the raw materials and pour it in place. That way you avoid making the "banes" Jesse mentioned above.

Seems pretty odd but if the topography calls for it I guess more power too you.

The holes we did were all under 200 ft....... a 6' pad is plenty. And hauling 50+ bags of Quikcrete, a mixer & other neccessities is just not possible at Hyzer Creek.

The Adirondacks is rugged country. I never played a Colorado course but i'm thinking that the mountains are probably similar there too.

[Big Moe]

Reasons for pouring slabs in the parking lot instead of shlepping the cement out to the tees in bags and mixing them with water and pouring them there:

1. each tee pad requires 30 bags of concrete 50 pounds each. For 18 tee pads that's 540 bags of concrete mix. Since I don't feel like lugging 540 bags of concrete mix into the woods, it ain't gonna happen.

2. lugging a portable electric cement mixer to each tee and finding water to mix with the 30 bags for each tee and paying rent on the mixer, and finding electricity to run the cement mixer which means lugging a generator out, and gasoline to fuel the generator, it ain't gonna happen

3. During the first 12 hours after pouring concrete you have to keep it wet or it won't cure right, it will just crumble. Especially in 90 degree weather and sunny. Pouring slabs in the parking lot I just ran a garden hose all day keeping the slabs wet as the concrete cured. If I poured the slabs at the tees, my garden hose doesn't reach hole 15 from the cabin that's 1800 feet of hose. Sorry. Ain't gonna happen.

4. The concrete they deliver is professionally mixed and 70 dollars a yard, delivered, and mixed just right. A yard of concrete that you mix yourself is about 60 of those 50 pound bags which cost $5.99 each, NOT delivered and NOT mixed. 60 bags times $5.99 is $360 per yard. Ask yourself, would you rather pay 70 dollars a yard for professionally mixed and delivered concrete, or 360 dollars a yard for bags of unmixed and undelivered concrete?

5. Each tee pad requires about 1/2 yard of concrete. That is $35 my way and $180 the other way.

5. Disposing of 540 empty bags is a bitch.

6. Did you really think I was going to mix 540 bags of concrete?

[Big Moe]

It's really not so much that Hyzer Creek's topography is a problem, of getting cement mixers and bags and stuff in there. I think every course has the same problem. Cement mixers weigh 27,000 pounds empty and hold 40,000 pounds of concrete. They cost $240,000 and nobody is going to send a 1/4 million dollar rig in where it can get damaged, tip over or sink in the mud. I suppose if you have a course in Kansas where there are driveways to all the tee pads, you can do it this way.

As for the cost of mixing bags of concrete yourself with water at each tee pad, the professional concrete as delivered is many many times cheaper, and better. It makes a better pad that won't crack, made of 1400 or 1450 concrete whereas the stuff they sell in bags is inferior and depends on you mixing it right, which you probably wont, and the tee pad will crack and never cure right for the reasons outlined in my post.

Basically, if you make tee pads with bags of concrete and mixing them, you are doing it the wrong way.

[NothinButChing]

no matter what that is great course name

[CaptainAnhyzer]

Tee #6 got a fresh concrete pad today....... and the players pavilion got a new(and bigger) roof.

http://www.discgolfscene.com/media/72277_g.jpg (http://www.discgolfscene.com/media/72277_l.jpg)

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[solomon.trenton]

how much do the pads weigh and how do you transport them?

[CaptainAnhyzer]

The 5x8s are in the neighborhood of 3000 lbs. We used a single axle flatbed trailer. Come-alongs and tow straps attached to nearby trees to manuver them on/off the trailer and into place.

So far we've moved three 4x6 ones and three 5x8 ones. Hole #1 was able to be poured in place.

The last 4 pictures show how we get them on the trailer. Hyzer Concrete tees (http://www.hyzercreek.com/concretepads.htm)

[solomon.trenton]

so you were able to drive and back the trailer up to the pads?

[toothyfish]

Cool! With any luck, I hope to be up that way in early Oct and plan to play a round...

[BogeyNoMore]

Holy crap! This was actually an interesting thread. I never considered the actual numbers or logistics that installing concrete tees involves. Big Moe's and CaptainAnhyzer's posts are eye opening to say the least.

When you consider howremote some tees are on certain courses, I'm actually suprprised concrete pads are so common. It's not as if Scotty can just beam them in. Don't think I'll EVER take a concrete pad for granted again!

To all those who've poured or moved a concrete pad on my favorite courses - THANKS! :thmbup: :clap:

[CaptainAnhyzer]

so you were able to drive and back the trailer up to the pads?

More or less........ you'd have to see the before and after pictures of the trailer, truck & course to get a REAL appreciation for what it takes to get around to each tee. This is the second trailer used for this purpose. The 1st one was broken, repaired and then destroyed during the 4th pad installation. The second trailer is now missing all the lights and the tongue jack is bent.

Have you played the course yet, Trent?

[CaptainAnhyzer]

Holy crap! This was actually an interesting thread. I never considered the actual numbers or logistics that installing concrete tees involves. Big Moe's and CaptainAnhyzer's posts are eye opening to say the least.

When you consider how remote some tees are on certain courses, I'm actually suprprised concrete pads are so common. It's not as if Scotty can just beam them in. Don't think I'll EVER take a concrete pad for granted again!

To all those who've poured or moved a concrete pad on my favorite courses - THANKS! :thmbup: :clap:

It's amazing how many people playing this course that actually still throw out the comment "Wouldn't it be easier to just pour it in place?" Once you lay out all the numbers it opens their eyes to the reality of the job.

[sloppydisc]

Looks like I have a stop to make on my next Saranac Lake trip. That course looks great. Nice job.

[CaptainAnhyzer]

We got a little rain this week.............

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Direct link if embed doesn't work (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eW8qCXDAYQo)

[ironmon]

thats an awesome video of one of the more awesome holes in disc golf
still looks playable though... I mean the basket is above the water line!

[JSurmann]

That is a gorgeous course!

[CaptainAnhyzer]

Seven more tee pads poured yesterday !!!!!

[Big Moe]

so you were able to drive and back the trailer up to the pads?

Yeah, I have a Ford 150 pickup with 4 x 4 and giant tires (35 inch). That truck can go anywhere and when you put it in 4L it has the power to haul the slabs up steep hills. The only prob is when stumps and rocks get in the way.

[Troy Jan]

use the truck to take totes or buckets of concrete from the ready mix truck to the holes, pour in place, be ready to finish because after the ride it will finish fast. Then cover with plastic like you put under it, the vapor barrier on top will slow curing, giving you a good pad. I poured all of ours in place , moving buckets has to be better then moving a ton and a half slab.

[CaptainAnhyzer]

use the truck to take totes or buckets of concrete from the ready mix truck to the holes, pour in place, be ready to finish because after the ride it will finish fast. Then cover with plastic like you put under it, the vapor barrier on top will slow curing, giving you a good pad. I poured all of ours in place , moving buckets has to be better then moving a ton and a half slab.

Troy, you've obviously never been to Hyzer Creek. There's no smooth, flat roads out to all the tees. Half the buckets/totes would tip over on the drive out and i'd take a shiiteload of buckets to pour a 5x10 pad.