DGCR Meeting

[discjon]

Okay, I know the idea has been floated around the forums before, but nothing has really come out of it. So I'm bringing it up again!

Would anybody be interested in having a big DGCR meetup this summer? If we made a poll and decided what weekend in the summer would be best, we could definitely make it happen. We could do a weekend at Flip City, have a DGCR tounament, mini rounds, cooking, etc. And if we all brought like 10 bucks to benefit Bill McKenzie, I know he wouldn't mind.

I'm like 10 hours from Michican, and I know my brother, my dad and I would be more than willing to make the drive for something like this.

If there is enough general interest, I'd be more than happy to do all the legwork to organize this thing.

[skippy0420]

At 5.5 hours of driving for me I would consider it.

Of course I would make a weekend of it and camp somewhere's......

[discjon]

You can camp right at Flip City, which makes it perfect.

[Beable]

Mayyybe. Eight hours for me. I have gotten the OK for a weekend of disc golf at some point during the summer from my wife, but I had planned to go to Paw Paw, which is much closer to me. I'd definitely consider it.

[timg]

I'd be in :) Flip is awesome but may be a little far from everyone and there aren't really many options close by for hotels, etc.

The Pittsburgh area with Moraine, Knob Hill, Deer Lakes, etc. might be a good option that isn't quite so remote. Keeping it local to Rochester this year could be an option too.

[discjon]

Yeah, I know Flip is pretty far, but I figured it would make an amazing weekend for the first DGCR meetup.
And I know Bill would let us all camp there, and cook hotdogs, etc etc.

What's everyone else think?

[Beable]

I really like the idea, discjon, and I'd make an effort to go. It might be worth considering the geographical location of the place. West Coasters would have to do something else, I think, like have their own meetup. Michigan is pretty central from a east/west perspective, but not so much from north/south. I guess we'd have to look at who wanted to go from the East/Central regions and then pick a great campable course somewhere in the middle.

[timg]

There's always the Cincinnati area with Idlewild, Lincoln Ridge, etc. which is a little more central to everyone distance wise.

[prerube]

Sounds cool, you are starting on a GRAND scale though.
If it works out then sweet, but I think I would try to have regional meetings like DGCR Texas Tourney or DGCR North East Tournament.
I would be in, but is anyone a divorce lawyer, because I may need one when I suggest this to my wife :)

[prerube]

why don't we just pressure biscoe into taking us all in at hawk hollow :)

[discjon]

For sure. We'll have to see who else is interested and then take some votes!
I know I'd love to meet some more fellow DGCR members!

[landon77]

if you do flip city, there are tons of options for camping grounds in the area and things to do with family ect. plus 20 minutes north the tourney could extend to THE Beast, and Levithan. I Know everyone who came who leave very happy.

[discjon]

There's always the Cincinnati area with Idlewild, Lincoln Ridge, etc. which is a little more central to everyone distance wise.

That's true. Idlewild wouldn't be a bad idea at all. Any local camping that you know of, Tim?

[prerube]

Hawk Hollow, VA (http://www.dgcoursereview.com/course.php?id=3252)

no chance of outside traffic, camping, get to add a private course to your played list, help out Biscoe with raising $ for his already cool course. Maybe 6 hours from Rochester or the Carolinas (I did not actually mapquest it)

[Terry C]

I would go to flip for sure. Its an hour drive for me. Free camping and that place is awesome. I know just about every michigan dgcr member would make that trip for sure. Id love to meet and play disc with a lot of the guys ive talked to too. If we all decide to meet somewhere else within several hours of me ill be there too. Lets figure it out and put it in stone, that would be a great idea.

[kerplunk]

I'm there, pretty much no matter where it is. I am planning on taking a long (~2 month) disc golf road trip this summer, so just tell me when and where and I will make sure my plans get me there.

[runnaman]

Being from Oregon, I don't think a trip to Michigin is very possible. I like the idea of regional tournaments though.

[timg]

That's true. Idlewild wouldn't be a bad idea at all. Any local camping that you know of, Tim?

Looks like there are a few: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&s...&aq=f&oq=&aqi= (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=camping+near+burlington%2C+ky&aq=f&oq=&aqi=)

Plenty of hotels for non-campers like me too :D

Hawk Hollow, VA (http://www.dgcoursereview.com/course.php?id=3252)

no chance of outside traffic, camping, get to add a private course to your played list, help out Biscoe with raising $ for his already cool course. Maybe 6 hours from Rochester or the Carolinas (I did not actually mapquest it)

A private or at least more remote course would be nice due to the lack of traffic. That's why Flip, etc. would be good or even Moraine that I suggested earlier.

[kerplunk]

Can you start some sort of user group or something for those that are interested? I'm kinda new to this forum stuff, but that seems like something that could make the organization of this easier.

[Terry C]

if you do flip city, there are tons of options for camping grounds in the area and things to do with family ect. plus 20 minutes north the tourney could extend to THE Beast, and Levithan. I Know everyone who came who leave very happy.

There are a lot of things to do near flip, silver lake sand dunes are amazing, plus like you said the beast and levithan are world class parks aswell so we would get 3 birds with one stone so to speak. Id be happy with any where in michigan, but like I said anywhere within the tri-state area and Ill be there.

[discjon]

I really do like the idea of Flip, and hope that it worked out that a decent amount of people could make it. It would help put some money in Bills pocket too, to keep that beautiful course goin'.

[timg]

Highbridge Hills would be pretty sweet, 5 courses in one spot. 17 hour drive from Rochester though :(

[biscoe]

i'm all for doing it at hawk hollow but not in the summer. too open, too steep, too hot, too much work to play. spring or fall are much better. imo paw paw would be the better choice in this general area that time of year.

[srm_520]

Idlewild seems like an easier locale than Flip City, although either would be amazing.

Not that I would be able to do a cool trip this summer because of the new baby and that my wife might actually kill me - there's also the IDGA headquarters option in Appling outside of Augusta, Georgia and the three courses all together. Get a little history in with the Steady Ed museum, plus the Hippodrome is only a few miles away. Plenty of places to stay at too.

[simpletwist]

Sounds like a really good idea to me.

[tallpaul]

I was planning on going to flip in 2010. Sounds good to me. Wish that ferry didn't cost so much.

[discjon]

I like the interest so far!

[gkeberhart]

Maybe divide the country into like 4 or 5 regions, and have one big one for each region. and run it tournament style with discs and players packs?

[discjon]

Something like that would be cool, but not for a first go I don't think. I'm just interested in getting as much of us as possible in one place, and having a fun weekend.

[waynewf]

I like the idea of Flip, because it sounds like such an awesoem course....but considering we've got folks from all over, maybe we should think of a more central location like Iowa or Kentucky/Cincy?

We could also maybe set up some regional events for folks who can't do the heavy traveling...heck, we could have our own mini-pdga:)

[gkeberhart]

yea that is easier said that done, plus this would allow Tim to erach more people that arent already DGCR users and people who are just learning the game. I live in Indiana so really I already know im going to be close to the big one anyways, just trying to help out the people on the coasts

[Countchunkula]

Sounds like a great idea. I'm in, scheduling permiting.

[discjon]

Yeah Cincy was mentioned before as a good location to host this. Idlewild would be pretty sweet.

[skinner21]

I would totallt be in for Flip City, I'm planning on taking the pilgrimage there this summer anyway.

And while I agree that raising cash for Bill is cool, let's not forget about Tim!

[mambrose]

I would go to flip for sure. Its an hour drive for me. Free camping and that place is awesome. I know just about every michigan dgcr member would make that trip for sure. Id love to meet and play disc with a lot of the guys ive talked to too. If we all decide to meet somewhere else within several hours of me ill be there too. Lets figure it out and put it in stone, that would be a great idea.

if it was @ flip i would go

[FRIZZLE TOSSLER]

Neat idea... wish I lived closer. I do think regional get-togethers are a little more practical for most people. I'd definately be down for a Texas regional DGCR get-together. It could even be somewhat of a year-long thing moving all over the state (DFW, Austin, Houston, San Antonio, East TX, West TX, etc) maybe one Saturday/Sunday every couple of months. Could be like a bag tag challenge type of thingy.

[discjon]

Alright, so far there has been a pretty decent interest in Flip...

[Rupert M]

Flip City for sure. Or Idlewild. I'm always down for a road trip. It might be easier to book Flip City for a week-end and, knowing Bill pretty well, his relaxed moral attitude towards tom-foolery might be a bonus. As long as we clean up after ourselves.

[craftsman]

I'm down for flip and since I live in s.e. Mi. I'd be happy to carpool, it might shave off a few hours for some- I only have a car though

[ERicJ]

What's the closest major airport to Flip?

[NothinButChing]

well since people that are member of a msg board usually live all over the damn planet I think this idea sucks since it is just to get a select few together for a circle jerk

[skinner21]

well since people that are member of a msg board usually live all over the damn planet I think this idea sucks since it is just to get a select few together for a circle jerk

well then... I hope you will able to make it... :thmbdown:

[prerube]

well since people that are member of a msg board usually live all over the damn planet I think this idea sucks since it is just to get a select few together for a circle jerk

ease up. I will travel several states to go. As you can see I am not near flip. Don't hate because you are so far away. Start up a Mormon tourney in Utah...or you could have just said, "That's too far, I won't be able to make it"

[timg]

What's the closest major airport to Flip?
Grand Rapids I believe.

[waynewf]

well since people that are member of a msg board usually live all over the damn planet I think this idea sucks since it is just to get a select few together for a circle jerk

What you really mean is, "Boo-hoo, I live in the middle of nowhere and can't make it anywhere conveniently. Waa-waa, I don't have the money to travel so anything that I can't make it to must automatically suck so that I can feel better about myself." ;)

[waynewf]

Grand Rapids I believe.

I believe the question was in regards to a "major" airport:)
If that's the case, you'll probably have to fly into Chicago;)

[WillACarpenter]

I'm down for pretty much any type of meet up. Rochester area meet up, New York meet up, north east meet up...

Once it starts being tens of hours driving it becomes less easy to convince the girlfriend...but it doesn't mean I wouldn't try...

\/\/

[Dave242]

Chicago is about a 3 - 3.5 hour drive away.

Interesting tidbit - when I was checking this out for myself on Google Maps (I am interested in attending if at Flip or Idlewild), I entered Shelby MI as the destination. It took me out to north of Detroit. Turns out there are 2 Shelby's in MI. What is up with that??!!

[timg]

Chicago is about a 3 - 3.5 hour drive away.

Interesting tidbit - when I was checking this out for myself on Google Maps (I am interested in attending if at Flip or Idlewild), I entered Shelby MI as the destination. It took me out to north of Detroit. Turns out there are 2 Shelby's in MI. What is up with that??!!
There's only one good one ;)

[zenbot]

Let's just crash the disc golf cruise. DGCR can stowaway.

[Rupert M]

Chicago is about a 3 - 3.5 hour drive away.

Interesting tidbit - when I was checking this out for myself on Google Maps (I am interested in attending if at Flip or Idlewild), I entered Shelby MI as the destination. It took me out to north of Detroit. Turns out there are 2 Shelby's in MI. What is up with that??!!

Shelby Township is just north of Detroit. Home of River Bends DGC. Plain old Shelby is in BFE.

Grand Rapids Airport is a major airport, having flown in there several times from across the country.

[biscoe]

well since people that are member of a msg board usually live all over the damn planet I think this idea sucks since it is just to get a select few together for a circle jerk

so much for the pivot man...

[prerube]

Rupert M??? Rupert Murdoch!, you are going to pay for all 10,000 of us to go? sweet!
Welcome to DGCR

[WillACarpenter]

Rupert M??? Rupert Murdoch!, you are going to pay for all 10,000 of us to go? sweet!
Welcome to DGCR

that would be the only nice thing I could say about the man...

"Hey Will...how do you feel about Rupert Murdoch?"

"One time, I got to go to Flip City because of him...so...yeah..."

\/\/

[billnchristy]

The 844mi drive is a little excessive for me.

I will not, however, accuse you of having a gay orgy because of that.

[timg]

The 844mi drive is a little excessive for me.

I will not, however, accuse you of having a gay orgy because of that.
That's appreciated.. :D

[jrawk]

well since people that are member of a msg board usually live all over the damn planet I think this idea sucks since it is just to get a select few together for a circle jerk

Not to inflate Ching's ego at all, but skimming this post i see the majority of the positive responses are from people in the Michigan/Illinois area saying they'll go if its Flip City and not Idlewild.

If the proposed area was California or Utah, somebody other than Ching would have made a similar note of disgust, albeit in a less flamboyant choice of vocabulary.

IMHO, Branding these meetings "Regional" will reduce the anxiety of users to far away to attend.

[prerube]

No matter where it is you can ride with me jrawk. Maybe we can pick up sidewinder22 on the way

[jrawk]

No matter where it is you can ride with me jrawk. Maybe we can pick up sidewinder22 on the way

In no way was my previous post's intention to rule out a trip to Flip City. Hell, i'd drive to British Columbia if decided so. :p

[prerube]

well since people that are member of a msg board usually live all over the damn planet I think this idea sucks since it is just to get a select few together for a circle jerk

This Quote is a 8 on the Prerubian Scale
Maybe a +7.5 on the Marv Vega Scale
:)...moving on

[magictenor1]

sounds like fun but michigan is a long way from MS. somewhere more centrally located seems better for all. Cincy does seem like a good choice

[bcr123psu]

I'd like to go. I'll just keep lurking in this thread and once the date and location are set in stone, I'll get to have a heated discussion with my wife :(

[discjon]

We should think of a few locations, and make a poll to get a general consensus.

[WillACarpenter]

We should think of a few locations, and make a poll to get a general consensus.

We should make separate meetings for the vastly distant places as well.

Which we should hold at different times.

For example prime DG season in Texas is MUCH earlier in the year and much later in the year than in Rochester. So somebody could hold a South West DG meet up sometime this spring.

I could probably pull some strings and make Flip happen, especially if we camped out and my dad could come...

\/\/

[discjon]

And this isn't necessarily "the" official DGCR meetup or anything like that, for all members that are pretty far away. If you want to call it the east-coast/mid-state meetup, that doesn't really matter. Starting one for you west-coasters would be awesome too!

[prerube]

I would like just one though. Because if their is one in Flip and one in Idlewild then half will go to each. If there is only 1 then maybe 20% less people will go, but you will meet more people because you are not split 50/50.
anybody understand my logic?

[discjon]

We should make separate meetings for the vastly distant places as well.

Which we should hold at different times.

For example prime DG season in Texas is MUCH earlier in the year and much later in the year than in Rochester. So somebody could hold a South West DG meet up sometime this spring.

I could probably pull some strings and make Flip happen, especially if we camped out and my dad could come...

\/\/

Yeah, a camp-out at Flip would definitely happen if it is the decided course.

[discjon]

I would like just one though. Because if their is one in Flip and one in Idlewild then half will go to each. If there is only 1 then maybe 20% less people will go, but you will meet more people because you are not split 50/50.
anybody understand my logic?

That makes sense, but people on the west coast probably wouldn't be able to come. So I think it should be encouraged for people far away to do something like this, too! I'm just trying to organize a cool meetup between some DGCR members.

[jrawk]

As far as planning this thing.. the "what where and whens" will be hard to make a group decision over. It may be best for somebody to research and make a decision without polling. If given enough time in advance to change plans, people will attend.

Before deciding, if it's a pay-to-play course, I suggest whoever is organizing this to call the course representatives and talk about special group options. Also, this may be an event better suited for a course that allows alcoholic beverages (if there are any). Also call local hotels and camp grounds about special rates.

Do this for more than one geographical location and make an educated decision where it will be.

Other questions to consider:

Would we rather play the best possible course and have crappy surrounding accommodations? Or would we play slightly less than the best course with better surrounding accommodations?

Would we rather this be on a holiday weekend? or a non-holiday weekend?

[discjon]

I'm going to e-mail Bill tonight. Even if it isn't held there, letting him know that we're thinking about Flip as an option and discussing it with him is a smart idea.

[prerube]

That makes sense, but people on the west coast probably wouldn't be able to come. So I think it should be encouraged for people far away to do something like this, too! I'm just trying to organize a cool meetup between some DGCR members.

I see what you are doing, and its a good idea....wait it's my idea
I need to jump in and steal credit: DGCR Conference :) (http://www.dgcoursereview.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10737)

for real though, I hope this all actually works out, I am in!

[Beable]

Make sure you guys pick a course with plenty of Appalachian beauty.

[DiscChucker]

You're certainly thinking on a grand scale discjon. It would certainly be a blast if the attendance was respectable. I've often thought of something like this but on a much smaller scale. Something even smaller than a regional area; more along the lines of a state meet up here in North Carolina.

But as several have already mentioned, I believe several regional DGCR meetings across the country would better serve everyone on this site. Ideally, the chosen locations would serve as hubs that can reach as many members as conveniently possible. Because lets face it, I would imagine for many people it comes down to convenience and/or financial means. As much as I would absolutely love to visit and play Flip City, its location is not convenient for me.

Flip City would be an excellent hub for our members in the northern part of the country. The IDGA HQ in Georgia would be great for the south/southeast states. DFW would serve up most of Texas and a few other states. I can't speak for the west or the southwest states as I'm familiar with those courses but anyway you get the idea.

I think if you're really striving to reach as many DGCR members as possible on the first time out with this idea, Idlewild is one the best locations. It's a spectacular course that is very central to the eastern half of the country while still being "somewhat" centered between the north and south.

Just my two cents. I think a poll is in order for this one.

Personally I'm down with any of the following:
Idlewild
The Woodshed/Whippin' Post
Hawk Hollow

[bazillion]

I like regionals. Flip may be the cat's PJs, but for those of us who work far away and for whatever reason can't just hit the road for a week or two, it makes more sense to spread the camaraderie locally.

Then, let's say, local delegates (self-appointed, not elected) could represent the regional GTGs at a central location like Flip or Cincy or whatever, which would also attract everybody in the north-central tier.

Anyway, say:

Calif
OR / WA
Southwest
TX
LA / AL / MS
FL
GA
NC / SC
Delmarva
NJ / PA / NY
New England
Ohio River Valley
MI
WI
MN
Great Plains (NE, KS, OK, MO)
Mountain North (MT, ID, WY)
Mountain Central (CO, NV, UT)

I probably forgot a few but the idea would be to have regionals to which anyone could drive in a day.

My 2¢ - spend it any way you like.

[prerube]

Hey Maryland can't play? :) I guess I am going to Flip when Discjon goes.

[billnchristy]

Umm Delmarva includes your poopy state.

[prerube]

hehe We call it DMV, I have never heard Delmarva oops!

DC/Maryland/Virginia or Delaware/Maryland/Virgina.

I just live here, but I would play with the western NY crowd

[DangeRuss]

Of course I am biased because I live in Michigan but I do think Flip would be the best place to do it. Everyone who plays disc wants to play Flip City at some point in their life so why not for this trip? It is a perfect location as far as camping and being able to do what we want because of Bill and all of the land. Of course it is going to be a drive for most of the people but any location that we would pick would be a drive for most. If we picked Cincy...why not drive another 5 more hours and experience the best disc golf course in the world? Plus if we went anywhere else we would probably have to stay in hotels which is a waste of money when we can camp for basically free and throw some money at Bill and Tim for being forerunners in disc golf history.

[jrawk]

sometimes 5 more hours on a drive means adding another travel day due to children, pets, sleep schedules, etc. Also, on a round trip, 10 hours extra is another 2 tanks of gas.

[DangeRuss]

Well, it would be the same for me and alot of other people if we were to go down south. Someone is going to have to sacrfice.

[DiscChucker]

Of course I am biased because I live in Michigan but I do think Flip would be the best place to do it. Everyone who plays disc wants to play Flip City at some point in their life so why not for this trip? It is a perfect location as far as camping and being able to do what we want because of Bill and all of the land. Of course it is going to be a drive for most of the people but any location that we would pick would be a drive for most. If we picked Cincy...why not drive another 5 more hours and experience the best disc golf course in the world? Plus if we went anywhere else we would probably have to stay in hotels which is a waste of money when we can camp for basically free and throw some money at Bill and Tim for being forerunners in disc golf history.

Now this is obviously just hypothetical but if Flip City were in southern Georgia, with all of the same things that make it perfect now, would you still feel the same way?

sometimes 5 more hours on a drive means adding another travel day due to children, pets, sleep schedules, etc. Also, on a round trip, 10 hours extra is another 2 tanks of gas.

I'm right there with you.

[skinner21]

I highly doubt that this will turn out to be as big as he hope it will at this point. I really hope this happens though.

[DiscChucker]

Well, it would be the same for me and alot of other people if we were to go down south. Someone is going to have to sacrfice.

Actually I think more to the point the idea was to get together as many DGCR people as possible while still playing an incredible course. Maybe I was wrong on that?

And obviously, lots of people will have to sacrifice so why not try to balance it out among everyone?

[mashnut]

I'm definitely in, especially if it's Flip or Idlewild, both are a reasonable drive for me. Hey Dave242 and any other Chicago people, wanna carpool?

[timg]

I highly doubt that this will turn out to be as big as he hope it will at this point. I really hope this happens though.
A less remote course would guarantee a bigger turn out. Cincinnati is very central, some great DG to be had and if you have the family, plenty of stuff for them to do. I am also in favor of south west PA :)

[BrotherDave]

It would have to be multiple regions, unless one of you yanks don't mind picking me up.

[landon77]

I have played flip city quite a bit and all this talk about Flip is making me CRAZY!!!! I need to play disc golf, go away snow!!!

---also I was able to play the Cincy area (idlewild and Lincoln) and can honestly say if you throw in Ludington (20 minutes north of flip) the disc golf is AWESOME, I would love to see people play LEVITHAN which is just as HARD and Difficult as the hardest course I have played which is IDLEWILD (idlewild is better because it is more established has all signs and tee pads ect..), but for those who have played Idlewild when I say Levithan is just as hard it should give you motivation to try it!!:\

---also if people decide to do this at Flip City, you can fly into Muskegon airport (80$ ticket round trip from Chicago), you could stay at Ludington which has plenty of rooms and camping for anyone.

--I suggest late JULY or early August as the dates.:clap:

[Lewis]

I like the idea of taking a week off of work and camping out at a private course with a bunch of DGCR folks, but rural Michigan is an AWFULLY long drive from Georgia, a solid two days I'm guessing, which would put me on the road for 4 days just to get there and back. And I'm not too keen on packing all my camping gear into the belly of an airplane, and then renting a car to drive out to a remote part of a state that I've never visited. It sounds like a great time, but logistically impractical for most of the country.

All this is to say you Midwesterners should go for it as a regional get-together, but if we want to do a "Grand National DGCR Hoedown," we should do it somewhere more accessible to everyone, like in Cincinnati. They have piles of courses in and around town, and a major airport right there in town, if I'm not mistaken. It might be easier to get everyone's wives to give permission to go to Cincinnati before rural Michigan. Also if you want a major-scale national get-together, where you've got hundreds of people all together in one place, I imagine it would be better to gather at a DG hub of courses, rather than all at one course. Think of it in terms of playability. If you've got 300 people in one place to play disc golf, and only one or two courses nearby, and you've got huge waits on the tees at every hole, and then everyone gets irritable, and then in our irritability we stop respecting the course, and we leave trash, etc. I think it would be better for a national meeting to be at a hub of courses rather than at one site.

[harr0140]

That's appreciated.. :D

Unless you are into the gay orgy. I however am not.

[Cgkdisc]

If Chicago is the closest major airport for Flip, I would suggest making the conference at the four course Lemon Lake complex just SE of Chicago where Pro Worlds will be held in late July. They have a nice air conditioned conference building right by the first tees of the courses. I even have an inside track on getting it reserved, possibly free. Those who want to could make a side trip up to Flip. The courses will be in their best shape for reviews and ratings by mid-May when they are hosting an A-tier.

[DangeRuss]

I do agree that Flip is out of the way for most people. It is just sad because it would be a perfect host to such an event. :(

[Terry C]

We might have to organize several smaller meets, There is no way any one location will be alright with everybody. Maybe a north east, north west, south east, south west meet, or something like that. If the dgcr is meeting within 500 miles of where im from ill be there. My vote is for flip, free camping and its around several other world class courses, but I could understand how someone from the south or out west wouldnt want that to be the site chosen. Reguardless of the details we have to do this, I think it would be a great experience for everyone who loves this site. Lets make it happen.

[Dave242]

I suggest scheduling a half day work day (or even 2 hours) wherever this (these?) gathering(s) end up at. How cool would that be to show up with a big and pumped up crew and have fun making a positive difference?

You can travel light if all you are going to do is pick up trash and branches, or trim underbrush and fallen/dead stuff.

[harr0140]

Flip, Highbridge, Lemon Lake, or Idelwild would all be accessible for me. I do think it would be a good idea for some respresentative from each region to set something up. A true nation wide tourney would best be in St Louis or somewhere centrally located to all people but I highly doubt you would get that many people to fly in for this tourney. It would be quite a drive for many people too though, maybe making it accessible for the majority of people would be best. Cinci is central for anyone from WI to the Northeast, to even into the carolinas and georgia. That would probably get the biggest draw.


Can we really plan this thing for a course other than what is already voted #1 or #2 we are addicts and we love a challenge? I would try no matter what but it would come down to the ability to drive there in under 10 hours.

[waynewf]

Are there any major new courses on the horizon?
The reason I ask is because we've all heard of places like Flip, and would love to play there if we haven't already...but Flip doesn't need the advertising, so to speak. If there was somewhere that was planning to open a new, higher level course next year, maybe we should do this around that type of course to help drum up some popularity for the sport in areas where it is obviously growing or trying to grow....just a thought...

[Benak56]

So, I would be willing to make a trip but would like to make plans ahead of time.

Obviously we cant please everyone, and if those that cant make it to the selected region want to have a meet up, they could organize a similar event in there area.

Someone should take the reins and pick a place and time and see what the turnout might be.

[swatso]

The northern Delaware courses of Iron Hill, Carousel, and Brandywine would make a nice trifecta, located just off I95 between Baltimore and Philadelphia.

There are other solid courses in this area, too - average+ courses within 40 miles of here include:

Carousel Park Marshallton, DE 0.0 Miles 18 DISCatcher Natural
White Clay Creek State Park Newark, DE 4.1 Miles 18 Chainstar Concrete
Brandywine Creek State Park Wilmington, DE 6.4 Miles 18 Mach 5 Concrete
Anson Nixon Park Kennett Square, PA 8.8 Miles 18 Mixed Concrete
Lums Pond State Park Kirkwood, DE 8.8 Miles 18 Chainstar Concrete
Bellevue State Park Wilmington, DE 9.4 Miles 18 Mach 1 Gravel
Iron Hill Newark, DE 10.0 Miles 18 DISCatcher Concrete
Sedgley Woods Philadelphia, PA 31.2 Miles 27 Mach 3 Mixed
South Vineland Park Vineland, NJ 38.2 Miles 18 DISCatcher Dirt
Scarboro Hills Street, MD 38.3 Miles 18 Mach 3 Rubber
French Creek State Park Birdsboro, PA 39.5 Miles 18 Mach 3 Rubber

[DiscChucker]

I do agree that Flip is out of the way for most people. It is just sad because it would be a perfect host to such an event. :(

I think there are quite possibly several perfect locations for such an event all across the country. They may not be (angelic chorus plays in the background) Flip City but there are other incredible courses that do exist.

Quite honestly, for an event such as this, I'm much more interested in meeting and playing a few rounds with DGCR members from around the country more so than worrying about the venue being of the highest caliber. If it ended up being at, heaven forbid, a four disc rated course, so be it. Seeing the DGCR camaraderie take form in person would be interesting and entertaining.

[DangeRuss]

I think there are quite possibly several perfect locations for such an event all across the country. They may not be (angelic chorus plays in the background) Flip City but there are other incredible courses that do exist.

Quite honestly, for an event such as this, I'm much more interested in meeting and playing a few rounds with DGCR members from around the country more so than worrying about the venue being of the highest caliber. If it ended up being at, heaven forbid, a four disc rated course, so be it. Seeing the DGCR camaraderie take form in person would be interesting and entertaining.

You're right. I'm thinking this should be more of a party than a tournament. Kind of like a ball golf outing where no one really cares who wins but are there to enjoy the people and the experience.

[jrawk]

If this is to split in regions... aiming for a one day drive time, here are some possible regional hubs:

North East: Allentown/Philadelphia, PA

South East: Atlanta, GA

South: Dallas/Fort Worth, TX

Mid West: Cincinnati, OH

Rocky Mountains: Denver, CO

North West: Portland/Salem, OR

South West: Sacramento, CA

Other than Canadians, these can be 'get there in a day' locations. I have no idea the caliber of courses, but they all have MANY courses to choose from.

[bcr123psu]

North East: Allentown/Philadelphia, PA

I have no idea the caliber of courses, but they all have MANY courses to choose from.

There are at least 3 SOLID courses in the Allentown area and another 3-4 that would be gravy.

[jkdisc]

are some people just advocating for towns closer to them?

[DiscChucker]

If this is to split in regions... aiming for a one day drive time, here are some possible regional hubs:

North East: Allentown/Philadelphia, PA

South East: Atlanta, GA

South: Dallas/Fort Worth, TX

Mid West: Cincinnati, OH

Rocky Mountains: Denver, CO

North West: Portland/Salem, OR

South West: Sacramento, CA

Other than Canadians, these can be 'get there in a day' locations. I have no idea the caliber of courses, but they all have MANY courses to choose from.

Oh sweet! I could quite possibly make it to three of those if they were at different times of the year. Cincinnati and Atlanta I could drive to and maybe fly back home to Austin to see family and friends and make a quick drive up to DFW.

Of course I would have to make the big sell to the wife. But man would that be cool!

[jrawk]

are some people just advocating for towns closer to them?

Oh sweet! I could quite possibly make it to three of those if they were at different times of the year. Cincinnati and Atlanta I could drive to and maybe fly back home to Austin to see family and friends and make a quick drive up to DFW.

Of course I would have to make the big sell to the wife. But man would that be cool!

With multiple regions, you're going to have some people going to many. With an option of regions some will skip the one closest to them and plan a different city where extended family live or simply have an interest in vacationing.

[DiscChucker]

are some people just advocating for towns closer to them?

Yeah some are. But if I were to propose something closer to me I can confidently say that Charlotte is without a doubt an excellent location for disc golf. There are several incredible courses throughout the Charlotte metro area. However, Atlanta would probably be a better hub as Charlotte is getting pretty far for those people that live in Florida.

[jkdisc]

Yeah some are. But if I were to propose something closer to me I can confidently say that Charlotte is without a doubt an excellent location for disc golf. There are several incredible courses throughout the Charlotte metro area. However, Atlanta would probably be a better hub as Charlotte is getting pretty far for those people that live in Florida.

i understand, i definetely think it should be near a top rated course

[ERicJ]

If Chicago is the closest major airport for Flip, I would suggest making the conference at the four course Lemon Lake complex just SE of Chicago where Pro Worlds will be held in late July. They have a nice air conditioned conference building right by the first tees of the courses. I even have an inside track on getting it reserved, possibly free. Those who want to could make a side trip up to Flip. The courses will be in their best shape for reviews and ratings by mid-May when they are hosting an A-tier.
Similar to Chuck's idea... I vote for Cincinnati and do it the weekend before or after PDGA AM Worlds in mid-Ohio (http://www.pdga.com/event?TournID=9550).

[biscoe]

my vote is for regionals. i'll go so far as to offer to host one at HH including providing dinner (that's right VR, i'm volunteering us)- needs to be in april, september, or october though. day before the am hawk hollow open in mid-october might work well.

[solomon.trenton]

my vote is for regionals. i'll go so far as to offer to host one at HH including providing dinner (that's right VR, i'm volunteering us)- needs to be in april, september, or october though. day before the am hawk hollow open in mid-october might work well.

id be down for that. it would be super fun and i would only have to drive 12 hours!;)

[RussMB]

I would give my left Jewel to go and play at flip with everyone, but I'm on a REAL tight budget at the moment. I Think the idea of a regional event is a great idea, we play at Charlotte/Rock Hill for the Southeast. (That would give us Winthrop! ;)) Maybe, we could even convince Charleston to put up the Hampton park poles! :) ...okay that was a stretch, but I like Charlotte for a regional event.

[Lewis]

I agree with those who suggest a Southern gathering at Charlotte instead of Atlanta. Atlanta is a nice city and easy to get to from all over the South, especially with the busiest airport in the world, but we're not the best town for disc golf. Sure there are a couple of 4-star courses within 100 miles of the city, but everything is so spread out here. Those who travel would be disappointed. :(

[zud00]

I like the sound of this. I would be up for going to Flip or Cincy, of course, that is if I can OK it with the wife which will be very difficult to do with a baby.

[BrotherDave]

Charlotte would be tits for me.

[vonDrehle]

How about Charlotte. Will at the new courses popping up for worlds there are enough courses wouldn't have to play the same one twice : )

(I just read the first post, it's a long thread)

[BrotherDave]

It would be good for some DGCR'ers to come visit Charlotte anyway. Seems like Midwesterners dominate this place and the course ratings reflect that. I'm not saying the Idlewilds and the Flip City's of the world aren't awesome, but Renny and Hornet's Nest have some awesomesauce of their own that more people need to taste.

[harr0140]

I am one of those midwesterners. I havent yet played flip city or highbridge or Idlewild, but I am hoping to hit rennaissance, hornets nest, and any of the other awesome Charlotte courses in about 10 days. I will be able to throw in a midwestern point of view. I bet I see some appalachian Beauty

[Rupert M]

Charlotte sucks...let's have it in Asheville.

[A.Mutt]

I'd most certainly down for attending a meetup/tourney in Cincy or at Flip.

[craftsman]

Just a reminder that I'll have 1-3 seats available for car pool. I live off of 96 (just a few miles from 94). I haven't been to flip, but I have been to luddington- it took three hours. So if we get a couple car pools, that's a few hrs drive taken off. Also, metro airpot (major) is very close to me.

[BrotherDave]

Charlotte sucks...let's have it in Asheville.

You're right, why they are having the 2012 worlds there is beyond me. :rolleyes:

[harr0140]

Maybe we could have a tournament of DGCR'rs faithful against the loyal DGR'rs.

[sloppydisc]

Once it starts being tens of hours driving it becomes less easy to convince the girlfriend...but it doesn't mean I wouldn't try...

Come on and grow a set! Get your man-card back. She is the GIRLFRIEND!!! Not fiance, or wife. What are you going to do if you ever marry this women? Ask for permission to run to the store for a 6-pack. You're in or you're weak!!!


All that being said I am in if it doesn't interfere with work, charity bike rides (MS & Livestrong) or kids' swim meets, dance recitals, gymnastics, school trips, surgeries, tantrums, etc... BUT I want a nice Marriott property nearby with a bar and room service. Okay I could skip room service and the bar, but I want a comfortable bed. I could bring my own booze. I am on the wrong side of 40 now and would need my sleep to keep up with all the younger guys.

[sloppydisc]

From the sounds of all this, regional gatherings are gaining momentum. And anyone that can or wants to travel could easily go to another region if he/she wanted to play courses in that area. You could go to all of them if you are able. Live large! If I am not stepping out of line here, I would suggest that Timg picks people he trusts from several regions of the country, and lets them start a thread/group or whatever he/she needs to get organziing in that region. Or people could volunteer to help and someone could be the project manager or leader of the group. If you leave it up to group think then nothing will get done, and about 8 guys will be up at Flip City this summer wondering where the hell everyone else is. Right now all there is, is a lot of ideas and enthusiasm resulting in nothing.

[Trampy1]

If this is to split in regions... aiming for a one day drive time, here are some possible regional hubs:

North East: Allentown/Philadelphia, PA

South East: Atlanta, GA

South: Dallas/Fort Worth, TX

Mid West: Cincinnati, OH

Rocky Mountains: Denver, CO

North West: Portland/Salem, OR

South West: Sacramento, CA

Other than Canadians, these can be 'get there in a day' locations. I have no idea the caliber of courses, but they all have MANY courses to choose from.

I like the idea of the regional events. There are 7 regions listed and if each region took a month during the playing season, alot of us could make it to several meet-ups. i would think the next step is someone in each area taking point and getting dates and final location set. Someone willing in each area can start a poll for possible courses in their respective region. If they get responses from players in their area, they should be able to get the course set. The same would go for the dates. The only catch would be settling on a month or weekend the didn't step on another regions event.

Thoughts?

[jrawk]

I think everybody is waiting for more enthusiasm from the masses. Once this splits into regions, some will explode with enthusiasm, some will not. Cincy and Charlotte may go smooth as butter, other areas may simply fizzle and never happen.

[ZMan44]

If I had to list regional sites, I would spread them out a little more...and probably have fewer.

I would have listed:

Liecester, MA
Charlotte, NC
Cincinatti, OH
Dallas, TX
Denver, CO
Lake Tahoe (CA/NV)

I would definitely try to get to the Cincy gathering.

[Trampy1]

I am up for working on the TX meet up

[craftsman]

If cincy is winning over flip, any northern michiganers- I'll offer car pool in that direction.

Location isn't a promblem for me, I have some vac time, it's more about affordability and figuring out a date far enough in advance

[sloppydisc]

I think everybody is waiting for more enthusiasm from the masses. Once this splits into regions, some will explode with enthusiasm, some will not. Cincy and Charlotte may go smooth as butter, other areas may simply fizzle and never happen.


If the rest of the masses hear about a couple very cool events this year, then next year it will grow. 3 or 4 well attended evtns in 2010 would be a success. Maybe 2011 has 5 or 6 events.

[craftsman]

I just started a thread for blackout dates in the vac. Roadtrip section.

Let's get some dates going!:)

[Trampy1]

http://www.dgcoursereview.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10909

Here is a poll for course options for a SW meet-up. I am not a DFW local, so if there are better choices, let me know.

[Cgkdisc]

The proposed Midwest location is a little too far south. I'm thinking Lemon Lake or Quad Cities would be closer to the midwestern base of DGCR members but maybe that should be checked.

[Beable]

Come on and grow a set! Get your man-card back. She is the GIRLFRIEND!!! Not fiance, or wife. What are you going to do if you ever marry this women? Ask for permission to run to the store for a 6-pack. You're in or you're weak!!!


All that being said I am in if it doesn't interfere with work, charity bike rides (MS & Livestrong) or kids' swim meets, dance recitals, gymnastics, school trips, surgeries, tantrums, etc... BUT I want a nice Marriott property nearby with a bar and room service. Okay I could skip room service and the bar, but I want a comfortable bed. I could bring my own booze. I am on the wrong side of 40 now and would need my sleep to keep up with all the younger guys.

I find this post pretty funny for some reason. It's like "Jeez, get a pair and do what you want. Oh wait, I can't do what I want either. Where were my balls again?" Like only married people have commitments or something.

[valkyrie]

Id be there if it was in flip :)

[cblack129]

I made up a spreadsheet with how many dgcr members and how many courses from each state. I thought it might help to decide where to have dgcr meetings.
http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AtypcyYiuQ96dDZ4UzBpdUlZejU1M2VPVTR3RmtMb 1E&hl=en

[jrawk]

google says i can't access the spreadsheet :(

[cblack129]

ok, try this one. http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AtypcyYiuQ96dDZ4UzBpdUlZejU1M2VPVTR3RmtMb 1E&hl=en

[jrawk]

:thmbup: Nice, thanks

[solomon.trenton]

Northeast poll (http://www.dgcoursereview.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10913)

[gkeberhart]

The proposed Midwest location is a little too far south. I'm thinking Lemon Lake or Quad Cities would be closer to the midwestern base of DGCR members but maybe that should be checked.

Wile Cincy is closer to where I am currently at, I am originally from the Chicago area and would agree that Lemon Lake might work better for some people as it is fairly close to the largest city in the midwest which would make it easier for people to travel to. Plus you can always fly into southbend round trip on one of those no frills airlines for like $120 if you know in advance when you need the ticket

[cblack129]

updated spreadsheet. all 50 states, # of members, # of courses, highest rated course and rating.
http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AtypcyYiuQ96dDZ4UzBpdUlZejU1M2VPVTR3RmtMb 1E&hl=en

[volklgirl]

The 844mi drive is a little excessive for me.

I will not, however, accuse you of having a gay orgy because of that.
Yeah, but you know that bring Christy and playing with me and hubby would be well worth it!!

You gotta come.

Oh, BTW....I'm in for Flip.

[WillACarpenter]

Come on and grow a set! Get your man-card back. She is the GIRLFRIEND!!! Not fiance, or wife. What are you going to do if you ever marry this women? Ask for permission to run to the store for a 6-pack. You're in or you're weak!!!


All that being said I am in if it doesn't interfere with work, charity bike rides (MS & Livestrong) or kids' swim meets, dance recitals, gymnastics, school trips, surgeries, tantrums, etc... BUT I want a nice Marriott property nearby with a bar and room service. Okay I could skip room service and the bar, but I want a comfortable bed. I could bring my own booze. I am on the wrong side of 40 now and would need my sleep to keep up with all the younger guys.

Going to Flip means I have to be gone for several days in order for this to happen. I could play in a full tournament with that same time, and drive 9 less hours each way.

And we're only not married because we don't live together. We've been together 8 years, if we'd lived together that long the state would consider us common law married :)

also...get an air matress and deal old man :)

\/\/

[Smelvis]

I like the idea of Flip, because it sounds like such an awesoem course....but considering we've got folks from all over, maybe we should think of a more central location like Iowa or Kentucky/Cincy?

We could also maybe set up some regional events for folks who can't do the heavy traveling...heck, we could have our own mini-pdga:)

Just 2300 miles for me. Cali sucks. :doh:

[Terry C]

I think one meet would make it impossible for everyone who wants to go to be able to, like someone said we should have a few meets like a month apart from each other, that way the die hards could make all 3, and then the other people who couldnt make the long trip to a single location would be able to make it to a closer location near them. Like for example an east coast meet, central u.s meet and a west coast meet a month apart from each other. Just an Idea. Like I have been saying these are only details but we really should make this happen and not just talk about it.

I have played flip and its the most beautiful amazing course ive ever seen and played, and I guarantee that theres not many 5 disc rated courses with free camping on site and such a great host like bill to have as the property owner. And it is private property so theres pretty much nothing that anyone could get in trouble for there. Its literally a perfect location. It just wont work for someone down south or out west and I realize that.

[harr0140]

I think one meet would make it impossible for everyone who wants to go to be able to, like someone said we should have a few meets like a month apart from each other, that way the die hards could make all 3, and then the other people who couldnt make the long trip to a single location would be able to make it to a closer location near them. Like for example an east coast meet, central u.s meet and a west coast meet a month apart from each other. Just an Idea. Like I have been saying these are only details but we really should make this happen and not just talk about it.

I have played flip and its the most beautiful amazing course ive ever seen and played, and I guarantee that theres not many 5 disc rated courses with free camping on site and such a great host like bill to have as the property owner. And it is private property so theres pretty much nothing that anyone could get in trouble for there. Its literally a perfect location. It just wont work for someone down south or out west and I realize that.

There you go about the law and getting in trouble again, what is it you plan on doing there? I am totally kidding, to each his own, but I am not sure Bill would appreciate these activities, or maybe he would really enjoy them I do not know.

[zud00]

As far as selecting a location for the midwest, I agree with what some others have mentioned. Both Idlewild and Flip are awesome prospects, but both are at the extremes of the region. Cincy is far south, especially for those in WI and nothern MI. Flip is north, making it a long trek for some of those WI who have to deal with that big lake and those from S. IN, IL....ect.
Lemon Lake area would be somewhat of a compromise being a little more centrally located. That's just my .02 cents.

[mambrose]

according to the spreadsheet, michigan is the seond most popular sate, only beat out by texas, so i still vote for flip :D

[harr0140]

I vote for flip only because it is ranked #1, it is nice I am only 6 hours away or so by car.

I think you could organize a get together nationally and hope it works out to get 40-50 people there. Youc ould also organize a bunch of regional get togethers and only get 10-20 people from each area. It will all come down to schedules and proximity I am sure.

[Three Putt]

I think it makes sense to hold one with the idea of it moving around in future years. Organizing all these regional events seems like a lot of work. I know it stinks if you end up living a long way away from the venue, but you can always make like a Cubs fan and wait till next year.

Once you get into it, there is a lot of stuff that needs to happen. You need a point man at each location to get pavilion permits and make sure the course is reserved. You probably will have to work with the local club to help get the course ready. You probably need the local club to host the event due to insurance coverage requirements. Since it will probably be more social than competitive, there will be the work to get food, drinks, etc. It really is a lot of work to get this stuff done. It's one thing to say "let go to Idelwild" and quite another to make sure Idelwild is ready for us.

The place that would be free of bureaucracy and probably the easiest to deal with would be Flip City. Private land, one owner. The location is remote, but it has been the #1 rated course on the site forever. If there is a location that might make some people log some miles it is Flip City.

It seems like there are ambitious plans out there in the works, so I don't want to hold anybody back. However if it was me there would be one event, and it would be at Flip City.

[craftsman]

This is gonna be sweet!!!!
I like the idea of volunteering and bringing food. If we can get enogh people for a supercolor order, I think that would be cool:)
I'm looking to take at least a week off:) even if flip, beauty, beast, Goliath , and leviathan get boring (lol), I could hit other courses that have hosted worlds on my way back down:):):)

[RussMB]

updated spreadsheet. all 50 states, # of members, # of courses, highest rated course and rating.
http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AtypcyYiuQ96dDZ4UzBpdUlZejU1M2VPVTR3RmtMb 1E&hl=en

That is really interesting! I'm shocked at some of the stats though. I know this is a topic in another thread, but Iowa has 154 courses, and only 46 members. North Carolina has 220 members, but South Carolina only has 29. (Counting me) You'd figure that there would be some bleed over, or something!

[RussMB]

Well, let me get one more throw in for having this at Charlotte instead of Flip. Innova has their sales office in Rock Hill, SC. ...as well as being close to Winthrop. Innova may even jump in and lend a hand! Maybe even help with promoting DGCR. ...I'm just sayin!

[mashnut]

I think it makes sense to hold one with the idea of it moving around in future years. Organizing all these regional events seems like a lot of work. I know it stinks if you end up living a long way away from the venue, but you can always make like a Cubs fan and wait till next year.

Once you get into it, there is a lot of stuff that needs to happen. You need a point man at each location to get pavilion permits and make sure the course is reserved. You probably will have to work with the local club to help get the course ready. You probably need the local club to host the event due to insurance coverage requirements. Since it will probably be more social than competitive, there will be the work to get food, drinks, etc. It really is a lot of work to get this stuff done. It's one thing to say "let go to Idelwild" and quite another to make sure Idelwild is ready for us.

The place that would be free of bureaucracy and probably the easiest to deal with would be Flip City. Private land, one owner. The location is remote, but it has been the #1 rated course on the site forever. If there is a location that might make some people log some miles it is Flip City.

It seems like there are ambitious plans out there in the works, so I don't want to hold anybody back. However if it was me there would be one event, and it would be at Flip City.

Great points, hopefully someone in the area of Flip decides to take the initiative and makes this happen. I know I would be there in a heartbeat, and I'm sure that a well-planned event would be a pretty good draw at such an awesome course.

[A.Mutt]

the way annual meetups went on other forums I've been a member of (motorcycle and truck) there was one big event put on by the forum with some of the regions of large concentrations of members having their own get-together. But the regional ones were set up by individuals in that area on their own, where as the the national was a forum thing. The difference between the two I'm thinking of was that the truck forum (Toyota off-roaders) picked a new location each year and the motorcycle forum meet at Deals Gap every year . For those that don't know Deals Gap is to motorcyclist what Flip City probably is to most disc golfers ... the promised land, thus the only place people from all over the country would agree on wanting to visit, or revisit.

so, basically I agree with ThreePutt on the issue of one versus many get-togethers. Logistically it makes the whole thing easier to ensure it happens, and goes well.

[cblack129]

That is really interesting! I'm shocked at some of the stats though. I know this is a topic in another thread, but Iowa has 154 courses, and only 46 members. North Carolina has 220 members, but South Carolina only has 29. (Counting me) You'd figure that there would be some bleed over, or something!

yeah some of the stats shocked me as well. like texas having most dgcr members and most courses

[craftsman]

So I like how the meet's discussions have it's own area now but I'm a lil concerned that people won't see it.

[jrawk]

there's plenty of time to start discussions and get some more concrete details ironed out before advertising to the masses.

Kinda like when somebody creates a committee to explore the idea of running for President. ;)

[srm_520]

yeah some of the stats shocked me as well. like texas having most dgcr members and most courses

What's so shocking about that? I mean we have 20 million people for pete's sake. Plus I would guess about 75% of them are in the Houston, San Antonio, DFW triangle, which also holds about 75% of the # of the Texas DG courses.

It's a very good triangle. About 750 miles of pure DG bliss. (That my friends is a big freakin state.)

[cblack129]

What's so shocking about that? I mean we have 20 million people for pete's sake. Plus I would guess about 75% of them are in the Houston, San Antonio, DFW triangle, which also holds about 75% of the # of the Texas DG courses.

It's a very good triangle. About 750 miles of pure DG bliss. (That my friends is a big freakin state.)

i just figured for some reason that cali would be #1

[gkeberhart]

why now host it where World's is going to be each year...like one month before World's. it might also be a good way for those TD's to get some feedback that might help them run World's more efficiently