Help tweak my bag...

[john campbell]

I just started playing DG in Aug. '08 and have finally become comfortable and confident with my discs. I am ready to try some new stuff. What I've listed below is all I carry and all I've ever thrown (I have occasionally thrown my buddies discs, but not enough to really know them).

What is it I'm missing out on? What should I add to round out my arsenal? What is the must know/must have disc(s)?

Millennium Omega Super Soft Putter, 175g.
Innova DX Shark, 179g.
Innova DX Wolf, 169g, my fav for anhyzers
Discraft ESP FLX Avenger SS, 169g.
Discraft ESP Predator, 172g, fav hyzer/fade disc
Discraft Elite Z Xpress, 169g, driver
Innova Champion Monarch, 175g, driver

I also have a funky, rubber-edged Gateway/Quest Odyssey Control Driver, 159g, that I use for spike hyzers and weird shots around obstacles, because it usually sits and sticks.

Please help me figure out where to go next.

[tomjulio]

Help tweak my bag...

The recent trend of DGcourseReviews.com's unintentional innuendos continues.

[petecarp]

roc?

[Midnightbiker]

You need a good midrange/approach disc. Get a Coyote. I prefer the Star Coyote.

[Midnightbiker]

I just started playing DG in Aug. '08 and have finally become comfortable and confident with my discs. I am ready to try some new stuff. What I've listed below is all I carry and all I've ever thrown (I have occasionally thrown my buddies discs, but not enough to really know them).

What is it I'm missing out on? What should I add to round out my arsenal? What is the must know/must have disc(s)?

Millennium Omega Super Soft Putter, 175g.
Innova DX Shark, 179g.
Innova DX Wolf, 169g, my fav for anhyzers
Discraft ESP FLX Avenger SS, 169g.
Discraft ESP Predator, 172g, fav hyzer/fade disc
Discraft Elite Z Xpress, 169g, driver
Innova Champion Monarch, 175g, driver

I also have a funky, rubber-edged Gateway/Quest Odyssey Control Driver, 159g, that I use for spike hyzers and weird shots around obstacles, because it usually sits and sticks.

Please help me figure out where to go next.

What do yo use the Avenger for? How does that Monarch work for you?
How well does you putter work?

[discinator]

You might try the flx buzz to compliment your shark.

[ScottJB]

I feel that if your adding a midrange, you already have the shark, go with the other end of the spectrum of stabilty, and get a Stingray...can't say enough about this amazing understable gem...

[discinator]

I feel that if your adding a midrange, you already have the shark, go with the other end of the spectrum of stabilty, and get a Stingray...can't say enough about this amazing understable gem...


I use my shark as my understable mid. They start out neutral but quickly work their way understable, at least in DX they do. I like rocs but you pay too much for the premium plastics- that's what lead me to the flx buzz. Although some were talking about the champ sharks being more stable- similar to a roc.

[Midnightbiker]

I use my shark as my understable mid. They start out neutral but quickly work their way understable, at least in DX they do. I like rocs but you pay too much for the premium plastics- that's what lead me to the flx buzz. Although some were talking about the champ sharks being more stable- similar to a roc.

A Stratus or a Stingray will make a great understable midrange

[Donovan]

A Stratus or a Stingray will make a great understable midrange

I concur!

[garublador]

I think this article describes the best way to build a bag:

http://www.discgolfreview.com/resources/articles/discoverlap.shtml

[valkyriefb11]

A Stratus or a Stingray will make a great understable midrange

I third that. The stingray is a must have all around disc.
Since you have a shark I'm not really sure you need a buzzz or a roc just yet as they are all pretty similiar to the shark, unless of course you really like the disc.

For a fairway driver I really like my Innova champ Teebird.

For a putter thats really personal preference, if you like what you've got stick with it. (although you might get another putter same make & weight for practicing and as a backup.)

How do you like your drivers and how do they work for you? ... because that would help knowing where to point you so that you can get a driver that will work for you.

[valkyriefb11]

I think this article describes the best way to build a bag:

http://www.discgolfreview.com/resources/articles/discoverlap.shtml

That article is excellent. Wish I had that when I started DGing and putting together my bag.

[Three Putt]

Millennium Omega Super Soft Putter, 175g.
Innova DX Shark, 179g.
Innova DX Wolf, 169g, my fav for anhyzers
Discraft ESP FLX Avenger SS, 169g.
Discraft ESP Predator, 172g, fav hyzer/fade disc
Discraft Elite Z Xpress, 169g, driver
Innova Champion Monarch, 175g, driver

I also have a funky, rubber-edged Gateway/Quest Odyssey Control Driver, 159g, that I use for spike hyzers and weird shots around obstacles, because it usually sits and sticks.You don't use the Predator for spike hyzers? :eek:

I guess your Xpress is your control driver? You would probably benefit from something more stable in that slot. An Innova TeeBird or Innova Eagle are pretty common for that slot.

Just to be the voice of dissension, if you have a Wolf you have no need for a Stingray or Stratus. Also, the Buzzz would completely overlap with the Shark. I'd advocate replacing the Shark with a Buzzz, but not adding to it. Anyway, with a Shark-Wolf combo you need an overstable mid like a Discraft Wasp or Millennium Sentinel to fill out your midrange selection.

You have the Predator for you overstable driver. I'd ditch the Odyssey discs and use the Predator for those shots. The Avenger SS and Monarch overlap quite a bit. I'd pick one. The Omega is a good putter, so you are set there.

That's my $.02.

[john campbell]

What do yo use the Avenger for? How does that Monarch work for you?
How well does you putter work?

I just became really attached to my Monarch. I used to use it for tomahawks, but now I can throw long S curving drives with it (are these called turnovers? - noobie). Hyzers when using less arm speed, decent Anhyzers that fade back a bit at the end and rollers! It has become my go to driver for many different shots.
I throw the Avenger straight and low, helps get me throw tight fairways and low ceilings. I like the feel of the FLX plastic alot.
and can't live without my Omega SS 175g. I started with a 150g DX Aviar. It was way too light and I didn't like the feel. The Omega SS is perfect for me.
What's the fuss with Rocs, I see them online all the time and read about them, but have never held or thrown one, am I missing out?

[john campbell]

I think this article describes the best way to build a bag:

http://www.discgolfreview.com/resources/articles/discoverlap.shtml

That is a great article. Thank you for sharing the link. I am really new to DG, but play at least 3xs a week, sometimes 5-6, and now I have a practice basket in the yard, too. 30 min. a day putting, everyday. These DGCR forums have been really educational. Thanks to all.

Based on what everyone has said so far, I am thinking of shelving the shark and trying out the FLX Buzz (really like the feel of the FLX and it's cold now!).

The Xpress is my control driver, the Predator my overstable, the Monarch for everything else.

So, I'm looking for a more stable driver? Teebird seems to be the most recommended. I'm going with that.

and midrange,
understable: Stratus or Stingray seem to be the popular choices.
overstable: Discraft Wasp or Millennium Sentinel

This would add a Teebird, Buzz, Stingray (understable mid), 1 overstable mid. and an extra putter for practise/back-up.
Sound good?

Sorry, tomjulio ("The recent trend of DGcourseReviews.com's unintentional innuendos continues."), I couldn't help myself.:D
!

[tomjulio]

Sorry, tomjulio ("The recent trend of DGcourseReviews.com's unintentional innuendos continues."), I couldn't help myself.:D
!


Yeah! Someone in here has a sense of humor!

Think you are going to outgrow your Monarch pretty soon too. I am maybe about five months ahead of you on throwing (although over the summer I played huge courses 3x a day for two months). I loved that disc until my technique and power overtook it.

You might want to try a Discraft ESP Surge as your main driver at some point.

[swarren1977]

You need a disc you can flick. I recommend an Orc as a good beginners sidearm disc.

[valkyriefb11]

You need a disc you can flick. I recommend an Orc as a good beginners sidearm disc.

Thats assuming he flicks ;) ... wouldn't something more overstable be better ... I dont really flick so I don't know personally, but my buddies all use overstable discs to flick

[sidewinding]

I wouldn't carry a bag if it did'nt have a Champion Boss in it.

[john campbell]

Thats assuming he flicks ;) ... wouldn't something more overstable be better ... I dont really flick so I don't know personally, but my buddies all use overstable discs to flick

What does that mean - flick? Is that just a snap of the wrist shot? I generally use my whole arm, even when putting. Is an Orc anything like a Goblin? I know they don't make Goblins anymore, but I know a guy that just bought one, just wondering.

In response to Sidewinding, I talked to some guys at my course the other day and one guy said the Boss was for experienced players only and that I might not have the arm speed for it yet. His friend said, "Bull****, buy one and learn how to throw it."

When I first threw my 175g Monarch it just dove left everytime. I quit throwing it for a few weeks thinking it was too heavy or too fast or something. Finally I decided to throw until I threw it well or throw it to someone who can. A few rounds later I was throwing long s curving drives and now anhyzers, too. So, I like the second guys advice, but is there any truth in some discs being geared for advanced players only?

[swarren1977]

Thats assuming he flicks ;) ... wouldn't something more overstable be better ... I dont really flick so I don't know personally, but my buddies all use overstable discs to flick


I, being a predominantly sidearm DGer, throw the Destroyer or Boss, but I’ve been throwing for over three years. I recommend the Orc because it was the disc I used to develop my sidearm. Now that my technique has improved, my power is starting to increase. With the increased power comes the need for a more overstable disc like the Destroyer. I personally think everybody should be able to throw both backhand and forehand. Maybe not both to perfection, but it certainly comes in handy on the disc golf course to be able to rely on both. You’re right Valkyriefb11 I was making an assumption and we all know how that goes. But I was also making a recommendation that a new player to the game attempt to develop a sidearm in conjunction with his backhand. Should they take this advice, then it is my opinion that the Orc is a good beginner sidearm disc.

[john campbell]

I, being a predominantly sidearm DGer, throw the Destroyer or Boss, but I’ve been throwing for over three years. I recommend the Orc because it was the disc I used to develop my sidearm. Now that my technique has improved, my power is starting to increase. With the increased power comes the need for a more overstable disc like the Destroyer. I personally think everybody should be able to throw both backhand and forehand. Maybe not both to perfection, but it certainly comes in handy on the disc golf course to be able to rely on both. You’re right Valkyriefb11 I was making an assumption and we all know how that goes. But I was also making a recommendation that a new player to the game attempt to develop a sidearm in conjunction with his backhand. Should they take this advice, then it is my opinion that the Orc is a good beginner sidearm disc.

So, a flick is sidearm? I throw RHBH, but have been practicing sidearm for anhyzer shots and for distance. One of guys I play with drives sidearm and plays everything else RHBH. He can soar a disc off of the tee with seemingly no effort and easily outdrives the rest of us.
Thanks for the tip. I'll definately look for an Orc for sidearm shots.

[shirfan]

I'd keep using sharks if you like them. Especially in star, they're incredibly consistent and forgiving once you get used to playing the fade.

If you're throwing that Wolf off the tee as a turnover disc, I might suggest a Leopard instead... DX, not too light, and beat it up ASAP. Once seasoned, it will glide for what seems like a mile, and will turn beautifully when thrown flat at full power (no need to worry about putting the right anny angle on it).

[iDisc]

pick up 2 rocs. 1: 180 for putting some muscle in your mid ranges and for predictability in the wind and when it beats in its a straight flyer. 2: a 166-170g roc for a nice annie when beat in and a straight shot when released flat.

[valkyriefb11]

I, being a predominantly sidearm DGer, throw the Destroyer or Boss, but I’ve been throwing for over three years. I recommend the Orc because it was the disc I used to develop my sidearm. Now that my technique has improved, my power is starting to increase. With the increased power comes the need for a more overstable disc like the Destroyer. I personally think everybody should be able to throw both backhand and forehand. Maybe not both to perfection, but it certainly comes in handy on the disc golf course to be able to rely on both. You’re right Valkyriefb11 I was making an assumption and we all know how that goes. But I was also making a recommendation that a new player to the game attempt to develop a sidearm in conjunction with his backhand. Should they take this advice, then it is my opinion that the Orc is a good beginner sidearm disc.

Thats cool, I was just saying.
I can throw side arm too, I usually just dont. And if the orc works as a beginner sidearm disc thats cool too. I like the champ orc anyway so it isnt a bad disc to have in the bag.

[swarren1977]

The Champ Orc was my baby. I had it in Carolina Blue in honor of my team. One errant shot and the disc is no more. It lies at the bottom of the pond at #7 at Cedar Hills. A moment of silence please.

Thank You.

[garublador]

So, I like the second guys advice, but is there any truth in some discs being geared for advanced players only?There's more truth to that than a majority of disc golfers really admit.

It's not all the way up to date, but here's another article from DGR that talks about that some:

http://www.discgolfreview.com/resources/articles/choosingadisc.shtml

Here's a universal flight chart that has power requirements for each disc listed, too:

http://gottagogottathrow.com/discgolf/pdf/JoesFlightChart1.pdf?osCsid=1a38ed623f548937f302ab 38faad6a7b

While it is possible to get extra distance out of discs above your power range, it generally comes at the price of you learning to actually throw discs farther. Many times it also has the down side of introducing bad habits into your throw to get faster discs to fly right.

[Texconsinite]

A few things:

First, you already have a Wolf, so you dont need another understable midrange
For overstable midrange, I would recommend the Gator
Star gator is the most overstable midrange I have found, and in Star there is No Bead (the little ridge on the bottom), so it feels really nice in your hand. These are good because sometimes you need a precision midrange shot, not one that floats beyond the basket, like the shark and wolf can tend to.

For instance, if there is a steep hill, ravine, water, etc a few feet past the basket, you want a disc that will head right to the ground and stop there, not overshoot the basket. So thats my advice for that

For drivers, I would recommend you take the previous posters advice about the Boss. DONT GET IT. It will not help you gain distance, and will probably mess up your technique. Stick with the Monarch, until you outgrow it, and then perhaps try something like a Beast: a little longer longer, but still beginner-friendly. dont get the new high-tech drivers, you dont need them, and they will not help you.

For a fairway driver, Teebird is the way to go.

[john campbell]

A few things:

First, you already have a Wolf, so you dont need another understable midrange
For overstable midrange, I would recommend the Gator
Star gator is the most overstable midrange I have found, and in Star there is No Bead (the little ridge on the bottom), so it feels really nice in your hand. These are good because sometimes you need a precision midrange shot, not one that floats beyond the basket, like the shark and wolf can tend to.

For instance, if there is a steep hill, ravine, water, etc a few feet past the basket, you want a disc that will head right to the ground and stop there, not overshoot the basket. So thats my advice for that

For drivers, I would recommend you take the previous posters advice about the Boss. DONT GET IT. It will not help you gain distance, and will probably mess up your technique. Stick with the Monarch, until you outgrow it, and then perhaps try something like a Beast: a little longer longer, but still beginner-friendly. dont get the new high-tech drivers, you dont need them, and they will not help you.

For a fairway driver, Teebird is the way to go.

Thanks! That seems like sound advice. My Shark does tend to float past, like you said. I started using my Predator to compensate for that, but I could tell it wasn't the best choice unless I was way out.
I'm definitely buying a Teebird next, everyone seems to agree on that. I'm not interested in the Boss, or anything similar, untill I can really rip a drive with some consistant accuracy, but glad you backed that up.
How do you know when you've "outgrown" a disc?

[john campbell]

Here's a universal flight chart that has power requirements for each disc listed, too:

http://gottagogottathrow.com/discgol...02ab38faad6a7b

This puts it all in perspective. Thanks garublador!

[john campbell]

Thank you guys for all of the suggestions. I am now the proud owner of a Pro Teebird, for starters. I love ebay. I really appreciate all of the advice. I can't wait to learn some new discs this winter.
Just realized that disc flight chart link above is broken. Check out garublador's post, his link works.
Cheers!

[innova]

oops. double post.

[innova]

What works for one person will be different for another...

Depends on "arm speed" or rpm ability... so to speak.

For any newer players i would suggest getting to know mid range discs really well.

They are your best friend when it comes to shaving strokes from your avg.

shark, stingray, roc, coyote, skeeter, on and on!!
take your pick... find one YOU like

As far as drivers, stay away from uber overstable, unless you have a lazer beam forehand or a strong backhand... uber overstable is more difficult to be accurate with. (again, newer players in mind)

Beginner friendly drivers!

sidewinder
roadrunner
valk
tbird

beat up wraith

i hear there are other disc manufacturers, but i could not tell you much about their products.