Does anyone use a monarch for a roller?

[gusc2375]

Has anyone used a Monarch for a roller? I need to work on finding a good disc to roll,and work out my rolling style.

[discflinger]

Straight $ for the roller. Kangfirmed. If ya got the torque you gotta throw this. Flies 200' and rolls another 300'.

[gusc2375]

Cool gotta go order me up one then

[Three Putt]

The CFR Star Monarchs are coming out. They are not releasing a Super Roc this year for a World's fund raiser, they are doing a Star Monarch instead. Star is usually flippier than Champ, so I'm thinking a Star Monarch will be the thing for rollers.

https://www.discgolfvalues.com/store/view_product.php?product=ST_PDGAMON1&PHPSESSID=c79f10903b6a78a27173e55789a4ff22

[ERicJ]

The CFR Star Monarchs are coming out.
http://www.discgolfcenter.com/main_displayProduct.php?p=420&PPQT1=217

"TFR"

Tournament Fund Raiser?

[Hamilton]

i haven't really tried too hard, but it seems to me i would have to put a LOT of anhyzer on my champ monarch to get it to roll...

[discinvan]

I would say for the Monarch to be a good roller you first need to be able to drive it 300' or more.

[Hamilton]

I would say for the Monarch to be a good roller you first need to be able to drive it 300' or more.

i'm usually about 350', but i don't usually anhyzer it either...usually throw a flip-hyzer with it...

[Jungle Tim]

I need to work on finding a good disc to roll,and work out my rolling style.

You might try a champ sidewinder. In my experience it is a better roller discs than the monarch, Its lower speed means that it is a little easier to throw, more garunteed turn, even if it turns a little less. It is also very utilitarian disc, Hyzers, big d, turn over long annies and rollers. If you flip it up right it is possible to throw it dead straight, it has a low fade value so often it will not hyzer out (adv and dis adv). it also come readily avaliable in any plastic.

As for the rollin style, Aviators, Leather Jacket, gold discs and a Mr T haircut :p

[discflinger]

As for the rollin style, Aviators, Leather Jacket, gold discs and a Mr T haircut :p

King of the Jungle.

[Three Putt]

The CFR Star Monarchs are coming out.


"TFR"

Tournament Fund Raiser?When the tournament fund raiser program started, it was with the CE Rocs. As it evolved, the discs available were Champion discs. When CE and Z first came out, they were often referred to as "candy" plastic. I'm not sure of the real reason, we used to joke that it was because they were so "sweet!" You will still hear people like me refer to premium plastics as "candy" plastic.

Soooo, short story long...when the Tournament Fund Raiser (TFR) program started it was called the "Candy Fund Raiser" (CFR) program because all the disc that were available were "candy" plastic disc. For an old guy like me "TFR" and "CFR" mean the same thing and will be used interchangeably.

[ERicJ]

I always thought the term "Candy Fund Raiser" was a take off on how all the school kids sell candy bars to raise funds for band trips, etc.. DG was doing a similar thing selling discs to raise funds for tournaments, courses, etc..

ERic

[Three Putt]

I always thought the term "Candy Fund Raiser" was a take off on how all the school kids sell candy bars to raise funds for band trips, etc.. DG was doing a similar thing selling discs to raise funds for tournaments, courses, etc..

ERic:D

Like I said, I don't know that actual reason why but you will still hear people call Z and Champ plastic "candy" plastic from time to time. The term seems to have gone out of fashion these days.

[borndasaur]

:D

Like I said, I don't know that actual reason why but you will still hear people call Z and Champ plastic "candy" plastic from time to time. The term seems to have gone out of fashion these days.


I've only heard the "candy" term in reference to the colors used for champion plastic. Thought this was why CFR had two interchangeable meanings. The allusion to high school fund raisers is more fun.

[swarren1977]

I have found that the Roadrunner works well for me when used for rollers.

[ERicJ]

:D

Like I said, I don't know that actual reason why but you will still hear people call Z and Champ plastic "candy" plastic from time to time. The term seems to have gone out of fashion these days.
You've been around the sport a lot longer than I have, so again this is just my impression from what I've read/heard so far. Maybe it's a chicken vs. egg thing: I thought the Champ plastic was called "Candy" because it was available from the CFR program.

ERic

[Three Putt]

You've been around the sport a lot longer than I have, so again this is just my impression from what I've read/heard so far. Maybe it's a chicken vs. egg thing: I thought the Champ plastic was called "Candy" because it was available from the CFR program.

ERicI'm sure it all goes together somehow. Which term came first isn't really all that important. Debating about it raises our post count, though. ;)

BTW, I checked the Innova site. They still call the tournament fund raiser programs the "Candy Fund Raiser" program.

http://www.innovadiscs.com/cfr/

[sidewinding]

You've been around the sport a lot longer than I have, so again this is just my impression from what I've read/heard so far. Maybe it's a chicken vs. egg thing: I thought the Champ plastic was called "Candy" because it was available from the CFR program.

ERic

Champion plastic has had three names. The first was CE (Champion Edition). The second was Candy Pro because the clear nature of the plastic looks like hard candy. This name did not stick because "pro" was already a name for a different type of plastic all together and it was confusing. The third and final name was/is Champion.

[joegraham]

Forget the Monarch. Get a flat top BOSS to roll!!!They are sweet! Ones that are a little flippy are really long and straight. The INNOVA GROOVE is coming out that is a BOSS with a MONARCH groove under the rim. Supposed to be a little straighter (less overstable ) than a BOSS, so that should be a great roller too!!!

[ERicJ]

Champion plastic has had three names. The first was CE (Champion Edition). The second was Candy Pro because the clear nature of the plastic looks like hard candy. This name did not stick because "pro" was already a name for a different type of plastic all together and it was confusing. The third and final name was/is Champion.
That's pretty much what Innova has on their website:
http://www.innovadiscs.com/news/champion.html
other than why they chose the name "Candy".

ERic

[borndasaur]

The groove would be a good place to store seeds after cleaning. Keeps them out of the way for rolling. The Monarch is a natural roller disc.

[Three Putt]

Champion plastic has had three names. The first was CE (Champion Edition). The second was Candy Pro because the clear nature of the plastic looks like hard candy. This name did not stick because "pro" was already a name for a different type of plastic all together and it was confusing. The third and final name was/is Champion.Yeah, but everybody called the Candy Pro discs "Pro Line" discs since they never actually stamped the words "Candy Pro" on a disc. It was all very confusing. Anyway, we were calling it "Candy" plastic when the CE discs were out, so the term was out there before Innova used it in their marketing.

[ERicJ]

I did some searching through the Innova archives on the Wayback machine.

Aug 2002
There were discs available in "CE" (Champion Edition) and "Pro":
http://web.archive.org/web/20020827041856/www.innovadiscs.com/discs/eagle.html

Nov 2002
Innova announces the discontinuation of "CE" and this is the oldest reference I could find using the term "Candy":

"Innova will continue to produce special runs of super durable great flying discs for disc golf promotion purposes. Instead of CE, these discs will be known as Innova Fundraising Candy."

(http://web.archive.org/web/20021105130359/innovadiscs.com/productnews.html) http://web.archive.org/web/20021105130359/innovadiscs.com/productnews.html

Apr 2003
"Champion" discs hit the market:
http://web.archive.org/web/20030402221850/innovadiscs.com/catalog/07champion.html


For someone like myself who wasn't involved in the sport back then it's kinda fun to rummage through the archives and see what the sport/company used to be.

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.innovadiscs.com

ERic

[sidewinding]

The groove would be a good place to store seeds after cleaning. Keeps them out of the way for rolling. The Monarch is a natural roller disc.

Groovy:cool:

Makes me want to throw on some bell bottoms and a shirt with a huge collar.

[ERicJ]

Here's what Innova had to say in an e-mail response to the question of the origin of the term "candy" as it applies to their discs:

Thank you for your interest in INNOVA Champion Discs. When the CFR program first started, Champion plastic was a new product. Since it was see through and brightly colored it was often referred to as "candy" plastic. "Candy" fund raising was a play on the nickname of our Champion plastic and on the fact that schools and youth organizations often sell candy to raise funds. With CFR, Disc Golf events gained the ability to sell "candy" to raise funds as well.

The C in CFR stands for Champion, and has a dual meaning. (Although many still refer to it as Candy Fund Raising) Champion for the Champion plastic models that are offered, and Champion as in the original company name: Champion Discs, Inc.

Suzette Simons
INNOVA Champion Discs, Inc.

So, there you have it.

ERic

[YonderScott]

I have an old beat cheetah (old enough that is says very long range driver on the front) that works great for a roller disc. Works great because the only thing this disc will do is fly out about 40-50 feet turn on its side, hit the ground and roll. Doesn't matter how you throw it.

Haven't spent enough time throwing my Monarch to know what it does.

[borndasaur]

Groovy:cool:

Makes me want to throw on some bell bottoms and a shirt with a huge collar.


How did you get a copy of my high school yearbook?

[DeafDiscGolfer]

How did you get a copy of my high school yearbook?

Facebook...:D

[borndasaur]

Facebook...:D


lol :D
F'in internet !! ;)

[Three Putt]

Here's what Innova had to say in an e-mail response to the question of the origin of the term "candy" as it applies to their discs:

Thank you for your interest in INNOVA Champion Discs. When the CFR program first started, Champion plastic was a new product. Since it was see through and brightly colored it was often referred to as "candy" plastic. "Candy" fund raising was a play on the nickname of our Champion plastic and on the fact that schools and youth organizations often sell candy to raise funds. With CFR, Disc Golf events gained the ability to sell "candy" to raise funds as well.

The C in CFR stands for Champion, and has a dual meaning. (Although many still refer to it as Candy Fund Raising) Champion for the Champion plastic models that are offered, and Champion as in the original company name: Champion Discs, Inc.

Suzette Simons
INNOVA Champion Discs, Inc.

So, there you have it.

ERicWell, they might say the "C" stands for Champion, but their website still says "Candy."

http://www.innovadiscs.com/cfr/

[gusc2375]

I have an old beat cheetah (old enough that is says very long range driver on the front) that works great for a roller disc. Works great because the only thing this disc will do is fly out about 40-50 feet turn on its side, hit the ground and roll. Doesn't matter how you throw it.

Haven't spent enough time throwing my Monarch to know what it does.

I also have an old cheetah that will roll but it is not consistant enough for me. Any way I have a monarch on the way, so we shall see.

[DannyM]

Haven't tried my Monarch as a roller yet, but I do know the roadrunner is a VERY good roller disc, however I prefer to use my SL as a roller, for me it's just more predictable. I throw a forehand roller as opposed to a backhand.

[discinvan]

Has anyone thrown with the star monarch yet is there much difference from the champion?

[Hamilton]

Has anyone thrown with the star monarch yet is there much difference from the champion?

i'm guessing you're not going to see a whole lot of people with star monarchs until the regular run is out and the price comes down...

[Texconsinite]

This may sound strange, but I throw a forehand roller as well, but my favorite disc to use is a Star Gator. I just throw basically a tomahawk at the ground, so it starts rolling right away. The gator has a nice, smooth wide side, like a tire. Maybe bc its overstable, but once it starts rolling, it'll roll straight for a long ways at an angle, and seems to fight to not turn over. Due to the wide edge, its path along the ground doesnt curve as sharply, and so it usually rolls pretty much right where I want it to go

[Texconsinite]

Never really (intentionally) done air rollers before. Probably should try that.

[Olorin]

Champion plastic has had three names. The first was CE (Champion Edition). The second was Candy Pro because the clear nature of the plastic looks like hard candy. This name did not stick because "pro" was already a name for a different type of plastic all together and it was confusing. The third and final name was/is Champion.

I believe that when Champion Edition (CE) first came out that it was given the nickname "Candy". Back in those days I've read Dave Dunipace call CE Candy, so I think the terms are synonymous. A PDGA could ask Dave D directly on the "Ask Dave D" thread over at the PDGA DISCussion boards.

[Olorin]

More info from my archives:

Champion Edition (CE, aka Candy) Plastic
·Innova's high-end plastic is commonly referred to as "candy." It comes in several varieties, including straight candy, taffy, gummy bear. Gummy bear plastic is translucent, rubbery, and very grippy. Mostly it is the lighter weights of drivers like the Champion Valkyrie. (Dave D. #133506 - 01/24/04 06:32 AM) Gummy bear plastic is generally found in 150-class and lighter weight discs. Only difference between the varieties of candy is the amount of weighting agent added to the mix. Gummy bear has the least, straight candy the most.
·CE discs now discontinued because of inconsistency and the Pro line disc materials are very close to CE (11/02)
·Champion Edition (CE) is the old name; Candy Pro is the current name; Champion is the name that they will soon start using. All three are made from essentially the same super durable material. (Disc Fly letter, 2/03)

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This info is taken from the file "Innova Discs" available at my DG Resources Yahoo group.

[DannyM]

This may sound strange, but I throw a forehand roller as well, but my favorite disc to use is a Star Gator. I just throw basically a tomahawk at the ground, so it starts rolling right away. The gator has a nice, smooth wide side, like a tire. Maybe bc its overstable, but once it starts rolling, it'll roll straight for a long ways at an angle, and seems to fight to not turn over. Due to the wide edge, its path along the ground doesnt curve as sharply, and so it usually rolls pretty much right where I want it to go

Hmmm...I may have to try that...thanks for the info Tex!!!
Don't throw rollers a lot due to ya never know where they will end up, but when there is not too many other options I will roll.

[Texconsinite]

No problem, just keep in mind it has to be a star gator. DX gator wont work, since it has a big bead on it, making it release differently , with less of the "tire" shape that makes the star so good

[JCthrills]

I've got a decent forehand roller out of my monarch but really as a RHBH thrower that shot would only be used to avoid obstacles, most of my monachs are now in ponds sadly.

[gusc2375]

The more I use mine the more I like it's flight, As my roller is mostly for trouble shots, I 'm working on making a roller a regular shot because there is a course near me on a ball golf course that I have herd is great for rollers due to smooth fairways