Need ali advice

[hofe12]

Hi everyone. Im in the process of mapping out a back nine for our cities lone course. My concern is 5 of the 9 are going to be between 150 to 250, but they will be finess shots through tall pines with a mix of left and right and some elevation. Is this too many short wooded holes. The front has one 134ft hole everything else is 270 plus and pretty open. Our 9 right now is nice, but i know we can get 18 and hopefully draw more people. Thanks for the imput

[Jukeshoe]

As long as the holes mix up the shots needed and present a challenge because of the trees/shule, that probably wouldn't be a draw back, especially if elevation is used wisely. My home course is a tight, technical, heavily wooded/shuled course with many short holes. It is a challenge to play and fun, both for beginners and advanced players. I've played rounds with advanced players that wish they could bomb their tee shots a bit more, but they always come away with a grudging respect for the technical aspects that the course presents, despite of the shortness of the course. This course only has two open "bomb 'em" type holes. The rest are short wooded.

Hope this helps and good luck!

[hofe12]

awesome thanks. i too love to throw bombs, but i also like those tricky wood holes with an ace run possibility. There's not too many advanced players around so i'm hoping some shorter holes will appeal to beginners in the area.

[G-MIL]

I would say if you can only average that kind of footage would it be more rewarding to make it a 12-14 hole instead of 18? That being said if there are a lot of trees you will definitely want a mando FH hole (sharp dog leg right) and opposing sharp dog leg left (BH hyzers). You'll want at least one hole that plays straight through a tight fairway or tunnel of trees (pin in site). One thing to consider is having a hole tee from the open into the woods and another teeing from the woods into the open. You said there was elevation change, use it to your advantage if possible, have 2 or 3 holes play up, down or across the elevation; you can also have a hole play along the elevation (the fairway would be on a slope). 1 or 2 holes could snake through the trees setting up multiple routes. Don't make them too difficult if it's the only course around but definitely make it interesting. These are just things to think about when setting it up. Since you're not working with a ton of distance make the most of what you have.

[Guurn]

Just to expand a bit on what G-Mil said. I would think about a 12 hole with good alternate tees. I've played some 9 hole courses whose alternate tees played every bit as good as, and totally differently, than the long tees. It is a great option.

[hofe12]

Thanks for the feedback. The first thing i mapped out for the city was alt tee's. Just to show them different possibilities. But some of the alt tee's with where the holes are didn't really show a dif look. I think it's turning out pretty good with the 18 i drew up. Maybe one hole thats there to help with the flow. Any ideas on how to present this? I was going to see if i could transfer my terrible overhead view on the computer. thanks again

[Steve West]

Wisconsin has high standards. You might want to get a designer (http://www.discgolfcoursedesigners.org/discgolfwiki/index.php5?title=Main_Page) involved.

[tallpaul]

Ali was great; but getting you head bashed in as a career causes problems down the road; I would suggest not following his path....