Graffiti at courses

[RonRoc]

So, I have been trying to get people to stop signing tee posts/signs, benches, baskets, etc, at our local course. We are planning to provide specific posts at the ace holes for signatures to appease the players. This is a reply I got from someone that plays at our local course in Michigan:

"what is the difference your still gonna have post with names all over them. if your gonna make it against the rules to sign post dont half ass it!quit crying about signing posts for aces its part of the game deal with it. look at flip. best course in MI graffiti everywhere"

Just thought I would share it with the Disc Golf Community. And I am sure Bill at Flip City is not necessarely supportive of people signing everything at his course.
:wall:

[sloppydisc]

Graffiti = Litter. Just in a different form. You're leaving your 'mark' on other peoples' property. If you do this you suck as a human. I don't know Bill at Flip City, but he should institute his own 'Star Chamber' and punish those fools. Maybe their discs should be confiscated and Bill should get to do some custom graffit on them??? Or maybe the polluting losers should have to play all their rounds with clear Latitude 64 discs that they can't find.

[billnchristy]

Something I have learned:

Rational people are quiet and don't usually push their opinion too hard unless forced to do so.

Douchebags are the loudest and most opinionated and are almost always pushing a douchey point.

[bikinjack]

Something I have learned:

Rational people are quiet and don't usually push their opinion too hard unless forced to do so.

Douchebags are the loudest and most opinionated and are almost always pushing a douchey point.

This is so true.

[jkdisc]

luckily i havent seen grafiti on my usual courses. hope it all stops because it is an eye sore.

[rjmimagery1]

Something I have learned:

Rational people are quiet and don't usually push their opinion too hard unless forced to do so.

Douchebags are the loudest and most opinionated and are almost always pushing a douchey point.

Okay, so the relevance of your comment to the subject is what? You said absolutely nothing of the original comment about graffiti. Graffiti is graffiti, no matter how you look at it. Whether it's on the side of a building, on a train, or on a post at your local course. I think it's awesome that people get Aces, I wish I could.... But, there's absolutely no reason to deface posts, benches, trees or signs with your name and "Ace" written next to it. Keep it to yourself or between the group you're playing with. Tell your friends and acquaintances about it, but don't screw someone else's property up to "tell the world" about it. It just pisses people off.

[DiscChucker]

Okay, so the relevance of your comment to the subject is what? You said absolutely nothing of the original comment about graffiti. Graffiti is graffiti, no matter how you look at it. Whether it's on the side of a building, on a train, or on a post at your local course. I think it's awesome that people get Aces, I wish I could.... But, there's absolutely no reason to deface posts, benches, trees or signs with your name and "Ace" written next to it. Keep it to yourself or between the group you're playing with. Tell your friends and acquaintances about it, but don't screw someone else's property up to "tell the world" about it. It just pisses people off.

I think the relevance of Bill's comment has to do with the comment, "what is the difference your still gonna have post with names all over them. if your gonna make it against the rules to sign post dont half ass it!quit crying about signing posts for aces its part of the game deal with it. look at flip. best course in MI graffiti everywhere," that was left for the OP.

[billnchristy]

Ding ding.

[valkyrie]

I wouldent sighn stuff at the course, but to me, its not a big deal, if i see someone who marked an ace on a sign or basket, i don't get upset, its not that big of a deal, and theres nothing ya can do to change it.

[RonRoc]

FYI, this was my reply to the guy:

>>Joe: Ask Bill at Flip if he wants all of his **** signed, He has certain places where it is accepted, that is all we are doing. Whitehall Township folks don't want it. It’s not a metro course, it looks like ****, it is NOT part of the game as you claim. Therefore, we will provide a place to sign so that our equipment, which costs lots of money as well as time to install and maintain will not look like ****. If that is a tough one to grasp, play at Mcgraft and sign away. I do not think it is too much to ask, what makes you or anyone else who throws an ace think anyone else gives a ****. Most people do not know them anyway, it is a great feat personally, but I do not need to be reminded every time I play that hole. Sign your disc and call it good. Look around the country and see how "accepted" graffiti is at local courses, yes it happens, but that does not mean its part of the game. Many places, including Whitehall, see it as a very disrespectful gesture. Once one person does it that draws all kinds of monkeys out of the woodwork that want to sign benches, porta-jons, baskets, etc. Thanks

[billnchristy]

Yes there is, magic eraser!!

[valkyrie]

FYI, this was my reply to the guy:

>>Joe: Ask Bill at Flip if he wants all of his **** signed, He has certain places where it is accepted, that is all we are doing. Whitehall Township folks don't want it. It’s not a metro course, it looks like ****, it is NOT part of the game as you claim. Therefore, we will provide a place to sign so that our equipment, which costs lots of money as well as time to install and maintain will not look like ****. If that is a tough one to grasp, play at Mcgraft and sign away. I do not think it is too much to ask, what makes you or anyone else who throws an ace think anyone else gives a ****. Most people do not know them anyway, it is a great feat personally, but I do not need to be reminded every time I play that hole. Sign your disc and call it good. Look around the country and see how "accepted" graffiti is at local courses, yes it happens, but that does not mean its part of the game. Many places, including Whitehall, see it as a very disrespectful gesture. Once one person does it that draws all kinds of monkeys out of the woodwork that want to sign benches, porta-jons, baskets, etc. Thanks

Someones favorite word is ****, i can see ;)

[RonRoc]

****, sorry about the language....lol

[cyberspace wrangler]

Sign your disc not anything that is not yours. Have everyone in you group sign it. For one, ace are not that rare is disc golf; granted not everyone makes an ace. I know many players with multiple aces. The course would start to look getto if everyone signed the tee sign, ect.

[valkyrie]

****, sorry about the language....lol

Im jsut messn around ;)

Anyways, yeah, i agree that it is dumb to go sighning your name on other peoples stuff, especially when they don't know you, don't want to now you, and probly never will know you. I just look past it and get on with the round, but if i owned a course, id be prety upset if someone sighned my baskets/signs. Id probly hide in the bushes with a BB gun and shoot em as they went to sighn it, that would teach em a lesson ;)

[waynewf]

I actually thought that this thread was going to be in appreciation of good grafiti on golf courses and I was looking forward to seeing some great pictures of modern day irreverant art work.
Instead everyone is just bashing poor young artists who's only crime is that the world is the canvass for their beautiful forms of artistic expression.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/74/204087364_6947875ce7.jpg?v=0

[waynewf]

Sign your disc not anything that is not yours. Have everyone in you group sign it. For one, ace are not that rare is disc golf; granted not everyone makes an ace. I know many players with multiple aces. The course would start to look getto if everyone signed the tee sign, ect.

If there is no good place for me to sign, I usually just sign the basket or a prominent near-by tree. Personally I would like to make up some neon signs so when I do get Aces, I can simply hang up my sign that says, "Wayne Aced this hole!"

[DavidSauls]

There's always a good place available to sign your aces.

Your own disc.

You can take the memories with you.

And it's yours.

[waynewf]

There's always a good place available to sign your aces.

Your own disc.

You can take the memories with you.

And it's yours.

No way! If it's not marked out in some type of public way, how will the world know?!?!? What if I'm driving home and die in a car accident before ever being able to proclaim my excellence to all of my friends, who don't really care anyway???

That would be totally unacceptable. I carry 2 sharpies and 2 cans of spray pain in my bag at all times so that should I get an ace, the world will clearly be aware of it!!

[sloppydisc]

Wow. For a minute there I thought I was the douche bag. I have always known that, but didn't think billnchristy did. But now I am happy to see it was the other guy. Cool.

[KRUSHNA]

Graffiti can be a problem, but I too can also be a problem. If you start to see graffiti on your course, simply clean it, and if it reappears, simply clean it. It's that easy to control. It's a battle between you and some so called graffiti artist, and it comes down to how much money that person is willing to waste on marking on stuff. If you use that last line as your motivation, you will win. Also think as your self as a graffiti artist when it comes to painting over someones crap, cause that paint is your mark. Most important have fun

[compn]

grafitti is really bad on michigan disc golf courses.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2600/3863903438_f7e60ed8a7_b.jpg

just lame taggers.

[waynewf]

grafitti is really bad on michigan disc golf courses.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2600/3863903438_f7e60ed8a7_b.jpg

just lame taggers.

I would be too in awe of the artistic beauty to be able to throw a good tee shot on that blessed hole. Art > the law...by attempting to hold back these civil artists, we will really only be holding back our society...

[deBebbler]

Sign your disc not anything that is not yours.

Agreed. Signing anything on the course just shows how much the signer desperately craves their 15 Minutes of Lame.

[deBebbler]

If it's not marked out in some type of public way, how will the world know?!?!?

I carry 2 sharpies and 2 cans of spray pain in my bag at all times so that should I get an ace, the world will clearly be aware of it!!

LOL. You might also want to start carrying a battery powered wood burning pen to really deface those hancrafted signs. :D

[MDethCKR]

The worst thing...after they look like **** people then feel the need to break or tear them down...

[billnchristy]

Wow. For a minute there I thought I was the douche bag. I have always known that, but didn't think billnchristy did. But now I am happy to see it was the other guy. Cool.


Yeah that statement didn't really work as intended.

I guess the fact that my name is Bill didn't help either.

[jedwards]

grafitti is really bad on michigan disc golf courses.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2600/3863903438_f7e60ed8a7_b.jpg

just lame taggers.

I would imagine that will come off pretty easily -- see my other thread:

http://www.dgcoursereview.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14130&highlight=magically

[leppard]

Graffiti can be a problem, but I too can also be a problem. If you start to see graffiti on your course, simply clean it, and if it reappears, simply clean it. It's that easy to control. It's a battle between you and some so called graffiti artist, and it comes down to how much money that person is willing to waste on marking on stuff. If you use that last line as your motivation, you will win. Also think as your self as a graffiti artist when it comes to painting over someones crap, cause that paint is your mark. Most important have fun


Nip it! Nip it! Nip it! Nip it in the bud!

[craftsman]

Come on compn, you should of posted one where they make the fairway a penis;)
witch is about all of em except 5

[craftsman]

Ron, I feel your pain. I say go ahead with the ace post. I think it's a good idea, maybe include a disclaimer that states: in effort to keep our park free of vandalism.

[thrembo]

Who would have thought graffiti would have raised such a stink! Sure, it sucks, but people have been doing it for thousands of years. Get over it already!

[waynewf]

LOL. You might also want to start carrying a battery powered wood burning pen to really deface those hancrafted signs. :D

That's the best idea I've heard in about 7 months!

[BrotherDave]

When I make an ace, I erect a large wooden cross in the middle of the fairway and set it on fire.


Heh, I said erect.

[sloppydisc]

That would be a hate crime. Don't do it.

[cydisc]

Who would have thought graffiti would have raised such a stink! Sure, it sucks, but people have been doing it for thousands of years. Get over it already!

Yeah. Same goes for assault, rape and murder.

[scarpfish]

To me the best way to fight graffiti is to up the ante on these punks. Here's a good example.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wv2i4NvqkDY

[JMONEY]

There is this stuff called tagster out there that works miracles. Its an emulsifier, just let it set for a few and the ink/paint comes right off. Ill get the web address in a few.

[compn]

Come on compn, you should of posted one where they make the fairway a penis;)
witch is about all of em except 5

i tried to find a picture of those (hole 4 especially with the hairy balls) but had no luck. guess i didnt get a picture of it. that sign was DEAD TO ME. DEAD. it makes me shank my disc into the woods because its so horrible.

[LeewayeDiscGolf]

Something I have learned:

Rational people are quiet and don't usually push their opinion too hard unless forced to do so.

Douchebags are the loudest and most opinionated and are almost always pushing a douchey point.

:clap: :hfive:

[compn]

To me the best way to fight graffiti is to up the ante on these punks. Here's a good example.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wv2i4NvqkDY

i thought you meant to spraypaint the people who were spraypainting the sign... haha

[LeewayeDiscGolf]

When I make an ace, I erect a large wooden cross in the middle of the fairway and set it on fire.


Heh, I said erect.

I just simply take the basket home and hang it on the wall. But make sure to put up a stick in the hole. :p

[captain jack]

When I make an ace, I erect a large wooden cross in the middle of the fairway and set it on fire.




Perfect. :clap:

I am going to make it my personal mission to abolish all public ace acknowledgements worldwide.
In any form.

An ace is a personal accomplishment, it benefits only one person.
This means I dont care about your ace.
It means nothing to me.
Or anyone, except yourself.
So keep it that way.


You want me to sign your disc as a witness, I'm good with that, I even have a sharpie.
If your cute, and smell nice, I might even sign your boob if you want, but please dont write anything, anywhere, that anyone else can see, including useless stats in this forum.

It's
just
that
easy.

[discpicable]

Perfect. :clap:



An ace is a personal accomplishment, it benefits only one person.
This means I dont care about your ace.
It means nothing to me.
Or anyone, except yourself.
So keep it that way.






Someone's an egoist...and i like that:thmbup:

[BrotherDave]

Graffiti punks is why every course should be designed with its own Charles Bronson. I refuse to give a course a 5 unless Mr. Death Wish is keeping the punks in line.

http://www.usaplaza.com/City_Morgue_Gift_Shop/_files/CharlesBronson.jpg

[chuckdisc]

There's always a good place available to sign your aces.

Your own disc.

You can take the memories with you.

And it's yours.

:clap:Graffiti is a eye sore hate to see it on the course.

[Dave Walters]

If I throw a true ace (single stroke on a hole) I am marking my local courses tee sign pole in fort wayne, IN. Swinney park (east and west), shoaff, and moser all have the poles marked.

Now there is not need to flame on and on about my post people because chances are I will never ever ever ever ever return to this thread.

Oh and a word the author. Stop bitchin and throw. Its a sport. Does a signature on the tee sign make you throw any worse? if it does then quit the ****in sport because you prob suck getting distracted by a signature.

[discpicable]

If I throw a true ace (single stroke on a hole) I am marking my local courses tee sign pole in fort wayne, IN. Swinney park (east and west), shoaff, and moser all have the poles marked.

Now there is not need to flame on and on about my post people because chances are I will never ever ever ever ever return to this thread.

Oh and a word the author. Stop bitchin and throw. Its a sport. Does a signature on the tee sign make you throw any worse? if it does then quit the ****in sport because you prob suck getting distracted by a signature.

I'm siding with this guy just because he's wearing a Reggie Miller jersey.

[BrotherDave]

I'm siding with this guy just because he's wearing a Reggie Miller jersey.

Reggie Miller wouldn't sign the tee sign if he got an ace. He would push off of it though to get an open drive off the tee.

[discpicable]

Reggie Miller wouldn't sign the tee sign if he got an ace. He would push off of it though to get an open drive off the tee.

You know Spike Lee would never let him hear the end of it if he did sign.

[Danger]

We all know that he is now EYING THIS THREAD LIKE A HAWK!

That being said, I don't throw my cigarettes on the ground just because there are like 40 on the ground at every tee pad. It's okay, there is more room for followers on this planet anyway. . . .

[Tree LOVE]

I honestly don't care if somebody signs a post if they ace a hole... as long as they actually get the ace on their 1st throw and aren't faking getting an ace, just to look cool. Personally, I would just have the group I'm playing with, or hopefully ANY witness, sign the disc I aced with. I'd much rather have somebody sign a post than have someone steal the hole's sign, which a lot of d!<kheads do!

[Apothecary]

people have been writing things on walls since man has been man. id never heard of signing the basket before i found this site. if its a private course, im of the opinion that, if the owner has a problem with ink on his course, we should respect his wishes.

but on a public course? eff it. get down with your caveman roots and let em know you were there.:thmbup:

http://www.usq.edu.au/electpub/e-jist/docs/Vol5_No2/imgs/Image15.gif

[discpicable]

If I ever get an ace, you can bet I'll be signing everything within a mile radius.

[Apothecary]

i just pee on the basket if i get an ace.:\

[Tree LOVE]

If I ever get an ace, you can bet I'll be signing everything within a mile radius.

:hfive: Sign away. I hope you get your ace too!


I just wish people would STOP STEALING SIGNS!!! It ruins it for everybody. (not directed @ you discpicable)

[BrotherDave]

HAHAHAHAHA Conky! ^ Sorry, worthless post.

I'm not a fan of graffiti, I went to concert the other day and I got asked if I had a sharpie. Is it that bad that kids gotta scribble while they're at concerts now? Is there a shortage of sketch pads, I mean c'mon.

*BroD slowly turning into Andy Rooney*

Oh and get off my lawn you punk kids.

[AdamCaudle]

Signing baskets is freakin lame...

[Amenz]

Granted, the course just opened last year, but the new course in Saugutuck, MI actually has 100% positive and kid friendly graffiti on some of the holes. My wife and I were shocked.

[billnchristy]

Signing baskets is freakin lame...


Proof that reform works.

[RonRoc]

It's good to know that most people get it. It's not about allowing individual expression or getting back to caveman roots, or taking aways one's rights, it's about respect for the course and the hours of hard work that were put into the course. If the course manager or designer doesn't want that, then don't do it, that is a real simple concept. I would gather that a majority of the pro-signers do not put volunteer time in at their local courses. When you actually do, you have more of a feeling of ownership and respect for the place and may look at it a little differently. I guess we just carry on and keep a supply of spray paint and graffiti remover handy. Thanks for the comments all. :D

[Apothecary]

It's good to know that most people get it. It's not about allowing individual expression or getting back to caveman roots, or taking aways one's rights, it's about respect for the course and the hours of hard work that were put into the course. If the course manager or designer doesn't want that, then don't do it, that is a real simple concept. I would gather that a majority of the pro-signers do not put volunteer time in at their local courses. When you actually do, you have more of a feeling of ownership and respect for the place and may look at it a little differently. I guess we just carry on and keep a supply of spray paint and graffiti remover handy. Thanks for the comments all. :D

public course. PUBLIC. not the designer's. not the volunteer's. everyone's. doesnt seem like the designer or anyone else has any standing to bitch and complain about grafitti. :\

unless youre adam caudle. hes not allowed to sign. :p

[RonRoc]

So thinking along those lines.

Public course= Decisions and budget made by public officials, (not disc golfers or public), therefore, Public officials can cut funding, close course, charge fee to play, ticket for littering and graffiti, patrol with public law enforcement....or really just make any rules they feel necessary that are in the best interest of all people using the facility. (and yes, that is for them to determine)

There is a big misconception as to what a public course is from an organizational standpoint. There is still management and decision making that goes on, the course is not just some willy nilly thing that appeared all of the sudden one day and was offered to the public with no rules or regulations.. yikes Why bite the hand that feeds ya?

[RonRoc]

Oh, and guess what, the designer, builder, and "volunteer" also happens to be a "Public Official", so I guess I do have a standing to bitch and complain about graffiti. Thanks

[Apothecary]

"What you cannot enforce, do not command" as one wise man put it. you can bitch and complain all you want. you can set up stings to catch the "vandals." i dont think thats a: a good use of resources and b: going to slow anyone down. :thmbdown:

[scarpfish]

Hate to break to it some of our more communistic minded here, but in many cases, although the land the baskets sit on may be public, some, if not all of the infrastructure costs of building a course are not funded from the public coffers. In many cases, its the local DG club paying the baskets, so when you deface the baskets, you're only pissing on your own, not sticking it to "the man".

I can assure most anyone here that the people who put forth the effort to get a course built, generally don't want idiots defacing the fruit of their labor, even in nondestructive ways that some Magic Eraser and elbow grease can fix.

I can also assure most people who tag baskets or tee signs, aren't all that detached from the people who will break or steal the same, and are likely responsible for a good degree of the littering.

But I mean hey, who cares, its just "public" property right? I guess the only solution is for people who give a damn to just move to private property and charge admission. And not waste another dollar or man hour on any more public courses, and just let the existing ones rot until there's nothing to aim at but trees.

Yeah, that'll help our sport along won't it? :\

[Apothecary]

Hate to break to it some of our more communistic minded here, but in many cases, although the land the baskets sit on may be public, some, if not all of the infrastructure costs of building a course are not funded from the public coffers. In many cases, its the local DG club paying the baskets, so when you deface the baskets, you're only pissing on your own, not sticking it to "the man".

I can assure most anyone here that the people who put forth the effort to get a course built, generally don't want idiots defacing the fruit of their labor, even in nondestructive ways that some Magic Eraser and elbow grease can fix.

I can also assure most people who tag baskets or tee signs, aren't all that detached from the people who will break or steal the same, and are likely responsible for a good degree of the littering.

But I mean hey, who cares, its just "public" property right? I guess the only solution is for people who give a damn to just move to private property and charge admission. And not waste another dollar or man hour on any more public courses, and just let the existing ones rot until there's nothing to aim at but trees.

Yeah, that'll help our sport along won't it? :\

save the drama for your mama. :\

i dont see a correlation between people who sign baskets when they get an ace and people who litter and break course equipment. they arent one in the same. courses arent going to rot because people sign baskets. people will sign baskets if thats the culture of the course. course designers and anyone who gets miffed when they see a signed basket or some street art or whatever need to realize that they cant control everything and will probably die early from hypertension if they keep up those levels of analosioty.:\

[nitegolfer]

Graffiti on the course is not part of the game. It is part of the mindset of the individual in certain geographic areas. :wall:

The courses around here are mostly graffiti free. Two teepads out of 7 courses. The tradition of signing a "basket" when you get an ace is foreign to me and kinda a little too self-serving. I've yet to see any graffiti on a course that is "art worthy" with a majority of the graffiti being gang signs and "Joanny Loves Chachi" stuff.

And, thanks to these "vandals" or graffiti "artists" that burnt down a concession stand in a baseball park with a DG course, we now have undercovers in the parks and on the courses.

Graffiti = diarrhea of the hand

[Dave Walters]

I am going to go play Shoaff park (http://www.dgcoursereview.com/course.php?id=163). I throw ace runs on holes 1,2,3,6,7,8,9,12,17, and 18. And if I hit any numer of those holes I plan on writing my name on the post.

Its what locals around here do.
Ever heard of the term "Different Strokes for different folks" or "To each his own"

If you truly want to fix this problem then goTEFLON (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teflon) coat everything at your course.
The rain will wash any and all sharpie away.

[Apothecary]

hey didnt i see you in the pic of the day on the home page a few days ago?:o

[Dave Walters]

hey didnt i see you in the pic of the day on the home page a few days ago?:o

Yes you did. It was taken at West Swinney which happens to be a course were people are allowed to sign the tee post.

Wow imagine that.

[Jukeshoe]

hey didnt i see you in the pic of the day on the home page a few days ago?:o

Wait, who was it?

[nitegolfer]

I am going to go play Shoaff park (http://www.dgcoursereview.com/course.php?id=163). I throw ace runs on holes 1,2,3,6,7,8,9,12,17, and 18. And if I hit any numer of those holes I plan on writing my name on the post.

Its what locals around here do.
Ever heard of the term "Different Strokes for different folks" or "To each his own"

If you truly want to fix this problem then goTEFLON (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teflon) coat everything at your course.
The rain will wash any and all sharpie away.

We don't have that problem in the first place. People signing baskets.

If it is what the locals do, then fine do it, conform.

I think the point here, is that signing the baskets for aces, birdies and pars or whatever sends a signal to other players/park goers that it is fine to mark up the baskets as well as anything else which results in more and more tags. That is the association.

NITEGOLFER WUZ HERE

[Apothecary]

so the association is between people who tag and other people who tag down the road...not between ace-signers and litter/damage-causers.:\

[nitegolfer]

so the association is between people who tag and other people who tag down the road...not between ace-signers and litter/damage-causers.:\

I think that is the association others are alluding to in their posts.

Not saying it happens with everybody, but the seed is there. When someone sees a basket or entire course all marked up then, maybe they think the course looks trashy. So, why should a person throw away an empty can in the trash when the course looks like trash in the first place?

Sure it is a local tradition, but do ALL locals know of the tradition? Is there some elementary school program that burns this local tradition in their brains before they are old enough to strat slinging discs?

There's a reason why, when you go into a "Public" museum owned by the people (state) that you do not find graffiti on the sculptures, paintings and the like. Those objects are there for everyone to enjoy. If you enjoy writing on baskets then do it, but for "Every action there is a reaction."

Not trying to make waves, trying to explain from a different point of view and from an area where we have little to no graffiti problems on the DG courses.

[Apothecary]

If you enjoy writing on baskets then do it

i cant believe you condone vandalism.

[Mr Mirth]

Those objects are there for everyone to enjoy. If you enjoy writing on baskets then do it, but for "Every action there is a reaction."
Are you quoting Newton?
If so, you mean "...there is an equal and opposite reaction"
That would be, if you enjoy writing on baskets, don't do it. They're there for everyone to enjoy. Get your own and deface all you want.

[nitegolfer]

i cant believe you condone vandalism.

DramaMama,
I guess it is my turn this week for the Apoth AKA DramaMama forum exchange.

[Jukeshoe]

i cant believe you condone vandalism.

This from the guy who posted pics of DGCoursereview.com scrawled hastily in wet cement? :p

[Apothecary]

hey i documented that BREAKING STORY...rebuking the act the entire time.:rolleyes:

[Jukeshoe]

hey i documented that BREAKING STORY...rebuking the act the entire time.:rolleyes:

Uh huh...you're right. My bad. :o

[waynewf]

Speaking of graffiti, surprisingly enough, the building I work in was "tagged" last night. It's not very common in this cozy little denver suburb, set in the shadow of the great Rocky Mountains, but at least I'll be able to sleep a little easier tonight knowing that my employer now falls under the protection of the local, adolescent street gang.

[BrotherDave]

Look, it's simple. If you paid for the basket/sign, fine, scribble your little head off. If you didn't pay for it, then it's not yours and you should seek artistic venues elsewhere. Tagging stuff is lame, period, b/c 99% of people suck at graffiti. If Diego Rivera came to the course and painted murals on the teepads, I'd be all for it but the truth of the matter is hardly anyone has that talent.

My biggest complaint is that graffiti urbanizes what is generally a very rustic, natural setting.

[waynewf]

My biggest complaint is that graffiti urbanizes what is generally a very rustic, natural setting.

Geez....take out "graffiti," replace it with "people" and you'd sound like one of those freaking squirrels, birds, or bunny rabbits always complaining...

I am MAN! Hear me roar!!!! If I Ace, I want everybody to know! I want everybody to recognize my greatness!!!!!!! Unga!

[Jukeshoe]

Geez....take out "graffiti," replace it with "people" and you'd sound like one of those freaking squirrels, birds, or bunny rabbits always complaining...

I am MAN! Hear me roar!!!! If I Ace, I want everybody to know! I want everybody to recognize my greatness!!!!!!! Unga!

"Unga?"

[waynewf]

"Unga?"

Damn skippy, hippy!

[BrotherDave]

Geez....take out "graffiti," replace it with "people" and you'd sound like one of those freaking squirrels, birds, or bunny rabbits always complaining...

I am MAN! Hear me roar!!!! If I Ace, I want everybody to know! I want everybody to recognize my greatness!!!!!!! Unga!

I would just prefer not to be reminded of the subway when I'm discing outdoors, that's all. Of course, I don't expect someone with such a loose grasp of history to understand these things. ;) :p

[Jukeshoe]

I would just prefer not to be reminded of the subway when I'm discing outdoors, that's all. Of course, I don't expect someone with such a loose grasp of history to understand these things. ;) :p

Oh, snizap! :hfive:

[scarpfish]

"Unga?"
I think Unga is that game you play where you pull the wood blocks out of a tower of them and try not to tip it over?

Aww, wait. That's just what you call it when you're three sheets to the wind. :doh:

[jacob2918]

spray paint the hole dam teebox blue. i dont care one bit just dont move/harm the chains and dont stand in the way!

[Malaclypse]

"Unga?"

He's trying to bring his ace to the attention of the United Nations General Assembly.

[Apothecary]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Q5wa7ttQiZk/Szt7IUxAlBI/AAAAAAAAPFU/SQwM-H99_Dk/s640/bacon_vanadlism_20091228_1956234167.jpg

[cbeckett22]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Q5wa7ttQiZk/Szt7IUxAlBI/AAAAAAAAPFU/SQwM-H99_Dk/s640/bacon_vanadlism_20091228_1956234167.jpg

I am all for that kind of vandalism... at least its funny. :clap:

[Midnightbiker]

There is a gas station near my home and on the back of the restroom door, there is a sign that shows when the rest rooms have been cleaned. Someone has wrote on that sign, "Too bad I just pissed on the floor". Next time I go there I will try to get a picture of it. Its been there for a while.

[Greenstezz]

I hate all the vandalism at Creekside (slc), the park turns into a scary place at night.

[Apothecary]

roving mormans are a scary thought.:\

[dmalexander]

I like buttons and bacon, win win!

[Jukeshoe]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Q5wa7ttQiZk/Szt7IUxAlBI/AAAAAAAAPFU/SQwM-H99_Dk/s640/bacon_vanadlism_20091228_1956234167.jpg

Someone was thinking outside of the box! :rolleyes:

[beatUPboss]

thats funny

[wolito]

I sometimes carry a small bottle of goo gone with me and scrub the graffiti off the discatchers rim and tee signs. It works well, but usually gets messed up again later on when they come back and mark it up again. At least it looks good for a while.

[mike shoys]

Reggie Miller wouldn't sign the tee sign if he got an ace. He would push off of it though to get an open drive off the tee.

he would kick his leg out on the follow through, making contact with the signage and drawing a foul as well.

[U_NICED_ME]

Writing a name on a basket if you ace it is about as bad as starting a thread on DGCR about it!

[billnchristy]

Writing a name on a basket if you ace it is about as bad as starting a thread on DGCR about it!


Bwahahahaha.

[U_NICED_ME]

Sorry, don't know what thread this conversation was in..but wondered, if there is continued vandalism...missing and knocked down tee signs, should I keep replacing them?

I finally figured out the culprit, people playing soccer in the fields and those playing basketball in the nearby courts are not responsible. We did not have problems with signs disappearing and/or knocked down and smashed until Baseball/Softball/T-ball season began.

Seems our park is a "drop zone" for baby sitting. Those kids, mostly adolescent, have nothing to do for several hours before they're picked up and I've noticed our vandalism is occuring on the perimeter of the course; all within the last month. If it was a disgruntled disc golfer, I think it would happen on remote holes as well.

Am I doing the right thing by continuing to replace signs? (I'm the secretary of our club and I designed and created all the signage on the course). I just don't want to continue to beat my head against the wall. :doh:

[TxDiscGolfBoy]

DUB-C DUB...lame

....you know what I'm talking about if you've seen it in DFW.

The problem is that it's not limited to aces or monster birds. Not one to write on anything at the courses here.

If you hit an ace, sign the disc and have all your buds do the same.

Buddy has a can of grey primer that we spray on the new t-box signs that they have up at Z-boaz to cover all, if not most, of the grafitti we can.
Z-Boaz

[TxDiscGolfBoy]

Sure am glad they painted the big "Z" on hole 15 black instead of yellow (yellow was cool though), because people were writing all over that hard-worked-on and cool Z.

[billnchristy]

Seems our park is a "drop zone" for baby sitting. Those kids, mostly adolescent, have nothing to do for several hours before they're picked up and I've noticed our vandalism is occuring on the perimeter of the course; all within the last month. If it was a disgruntled disc golfer, I think it would happen on remote holes as well.



Do you have park police...strangely we do, I would drop the hint that it is happening and if they pfft you then show them the bill of how much these signs are costing...maybe it will be enough to be considered a crime.

Worse case is it slows down because of the presence best case is they bust one of the little punks.

[Apothecary]

how about just talking to the kids? you dont ALWAYS have to call the cops.:\

[billnchristy]

Good point. If she does that she might want to have some others present though.

[U_NICED_ME]

Unfortunately, no park police or momma police, but thanks for all of your in put. I think I may give the head's up to our Parks & Rec director, maybe he can mention it to coaches and they could pass the word out to their players.

I don't know, there's probably not going to be an easy solution for this, but showing our director the bill for these that the club is now footing (I originally donated the first 18) for replacements maybe he will sympathize with us.

We have a lot of mini's coming up, doubles starting tomorrow night, monthly next weekend, and I have 4 complete signs to replace (new mounting board, primed and sealed, new sign itself, and new sheet of plexiglass for cover) before the masses show up.

[billnchristy]

If nobody else says it, thanks for taking care of your course!

[U_NICED_ME]

Thanks Bill. We have a great board at our club as well! I guess I really do my best work under pressure, I'm set to mount signs at the course in the morning. I just want to have a smooth Doubles Summer Point Series kick off tomorrow night. :thmbup:

[Apothecary]

http://www.sadanduseless.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/art.jpg

[DAN E.]

The only Ace graffiti at F.C. Tpads I have seen are small rocks next to the pad, out of the way.They disappear after a season or so.The shelters are a differant story,Which is accepted and interesting to read.Can't wait to sign a rock:)

[Apothecary]

http://www.woostercollective.com/berlinnnn3-thumb.jpg

[U_NICED_ME]

OMG, Apoth, I just saw the image...trippy. The first time I saw it, I just thought it was white spray paint.

[billnchristy]

Ha, my favorite toilet grafitti-

Hitler was a nazi.

[U_NICED_ME]

That's an image of Hitler? I can't make that out, just eyes staring at me.

[billnchristy]

No no, that was one I saw.

[CaptainAnhyzer]

Punks think they can tag our baskets............... no match for Mr Clean Magic Eraser.

http://www.discgolfscene.com/media/98452_g.jpg

http://www.discgolfscene.com/media/98453_g.jpg

[wolito]

Punks think they can tag our baskets............... no match for Mr Clean Magic Eraser.

http://www.discgolfscene.com/media/98452_g.jpg

http://www.discgolfscene.com/media/98453_g.jpg

Good work there. Looks brand new to me. I use Goo Gone to wipe paint off, but I might have to try that Magic Eraser thing.

[LeewayeDiscGolf]

I'm gonna have to go through City Park with Magic Erasers now. Our baskets are all tagged.

Saw an ace sig today at CSU that had the name and date and "while listening to Rise Against". So apparently we have to let others know about our choice in music while we vandalize things. Awesome....

[New013]

I'm gonna have to go through City Park with Magic Erasers now. Our baskets are all tagged.

Saw an ace sig today at CSU that had the name and date and "while listening to Rise Against". So apparently we have to let others know about our choice in music while we vandalize things. Awesome....

its a face tweet world

[Nerdboy]

I design and manufacture tee signs and kiosk boards that have an anti-graffiti coating on them.

http://i653.photobucket.com/albums/uu254/normanml/IMG00967-20110418-1759.jpg

The coating prevents sharpie and spray paint from permanantly adhering to the surface.

[fretgod321]

To me, there's a difference between flat-out graffiti and signing the tee post. Back at my usual course in WI, everyone signs the posts if they ace a hole, and at another nearby course there's a big board that people sign after acing holes. I really don't mind that, it gives the course a certain charm and it's always interesting to see how many people have aced a hole before you.

Just my two cents.

[MikePinchico]

Someone at Peregrine point in Chico CA outlined a disc on the bench with sharpie and then wrote "Disc Charger". Vandalism sucks but that was funny. I'll get a picture of it and post it later, I have found it does not work.

[simpletwist]

I design and manufacture tee signs and kiosk boards that have an anti-graffiti coating on them.

http://i653.photobucket.com/albums/uu254/normanml/IMG00967-20110418-1759.jpg

The coating prevents sharpie and spray paint from permanantly adhering to the surface.

Really nice sign. The signs at each tee box rock as well. Great job.

[Darth Anovin]

I have a plan for when I get my first ace. I carry one of those tiny etch a sketch's in my bag and a bottle of superglue. I'll just etch a sketch my name, then glue it to the tee sign. Wait a minute....would that count as graffiti too???? :doh:

[CaptainAnhyzer]

Good work there. Looks brand new to me. I use Goo Gone to wipe paint off, but I might have to try that Magic Eraser thing.

Apparently, you're supposed to use water with the Magic Eraser but I didn't and it worked great anyways. My fingers were green when I finished so I can just imagine the mess when it's wet.

[Emoney]

Signing tee signs and buckets is bush league. Grow up kids, an ace in disc golf is not a big enough deal to ruin tee signs and pretty baskets.

If u kids had to pay for the basket or tee sign im sure u would love ppl writing all over them.....sarcasm..... Sign ur disc and move along.

[CaptainAnhyzer]

If you really wanna show the world you aced, pull out that fancy smartphone mommy & daddy bought you and snap a photo for your FB page.

[LakeBodom397]

Basil Marella just got brand new baskets. I bet dollars to dog$%&# they get painted on before the Worlds. Greece Riff-Raff sucks!

[jhgonzo]

Every time I get an ace, I sketch a crudely drawn penis, "4/20," and an ex-girlfriend's phone number on my disc. Graffitiz 4 realz.

[kdankn]

PHIX whoever it is that is putting this all over every DFW DG course is a DB just stop noone wants to look at that everywhere on the course

[Nerdboy]

Basil Marella just got brand new baskets. I bet dollars to dog$%&# they get painted on before the Worlds. Greece Riff-Raff sucks!

I saw those new baskets were up. I really hope these little b@$tard$ don't frg up a really cool course

[DSmith]

Got a message on our boards that some of the baskets and teepads got tagged a few days ago at one of our courses, Riverhill. I'm gonna head out there today to get pics for insurance purposes (I might post them up)and maybe do the Magic Eraser thing.
Whats the best approach to get the paint off the tee pads? I'm guessing power washing them?

[Chiefstang]

Basil Marella just got brand new baskets. I bet dollars to dog$%&# they get painted on before the Worlds. Greece Riff-Raff sucks!

I heard hole 1 has already been tagged. Not even an "ace tag", just grafitti. They weren't even up for a friggin' week! Brand new Discatchers...

[medicinalfunk]

had the camera out with me so i figured i'd snap this for this thread

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/4752/crapx.jpg

[Midnightbiker]

Sign your disc not anything that is not yours. Have everyone in you group sign it. For one, ace are not that rare is disc golf; granted not everyone makes an ace. I know many players with multiple aces. The course would start to look getto if everyone signed the tee sign, ect.

I remember a course that had a 186ft open hole, and the tee sign had so many aces signed on it, you couldn't even see the numbers telling you what hole you were on, and the signatures ran over each other.

I have one ace, and I signed my disc, which is hanging on my wall.

[Coast]

so i get the feeling all are against tags...well it is what it is. So deal with it. Yeah, not all people have the respect you have but its...it doesn't matter what it is. It is what it is and it ain't what it ain't.

Never aced but I'm signing my disc not a basket, that's for my dome.

You want a perfectly clean world and "oh don't tag my course's baskets" HA! find something better to complain about, complainers.....let's have a community litter clean up.

[Midnightbiker]

To me, there's a difference between flat-out graffiti and signing the tee post. Back at my usual course in WI, everyone signs the posts if they ace a hole, and at another nearby course there's a big board that people sign after acing holes. I really don't mind that, it gives the course a certain charm and it's always interesting to see how many people have aced a hole before you.

Just my two cents.

If I walk up and see your name on a basket, I don't know you from Adam, so I sure as hell don't give a damn that you aced that hole, so I dont know why you would bother to deface the basket or tee sign like that. Sign your disc and hang it on the wall.