Forehand approaches and discs.

[Ryan P.]

I'd like to have suggestions for mids that are good for forehands. I don't like DX discs for forehands. They don't come out of my hand smoothly. I haven't tried Pro, but that's because it's the same grippy plastic, and it wouldn't work that well either. I like star plastic, but love discraft's ESP and would probably love FLX also. and anything similar. I need something more stable than a slightly beat in roc and a brand spanking new buzzz. i was thinking a wasp would be good (in ESP), but i've never thrown one. so for someone who has thrown a buzzz as a forehand mid and a wasp as the same, do they work well for that? or for someone who has thrown a buzzz and any other mid forehand, how do those other discs compare to the buzzz?

[gcr_russell]

the buzzz works pretty well as a forehand mid for me. Other discs of mine that work well forehand would be the coyote and the stingray, theyre very controllable and dont seem to need a huge adjustment to throw as a mid versus throwing your drivers. As a predominantly forehand player this is what works for me. Both these innova discs are more controllable than the buzzz forehand, and at least with my game theres no real sacrifice in distance either. However, I dont feel very comfortable driving and of them forehand, backhand seems to me to be the best option for driving midranges and putters, except for the pro Rhyno which flies magically forehand

[Omega SuperSloth]

innova cro works good for straight and hyzer shots and dosnt roll or skip too much, i dont use it with annie as it dosnt like to fade back just keep going straight without turning over, for turnovers shots i use a jls or leopard. cro also works good for sidearm

[SimonCarr]

The Buzzz is Excellent for forehand approaches. It is my go to sidearm approach disc. I typically throw it with anhyzer and let it flatten out. This kind of throw requires very little arm movement since it is all in the wrist.

The Roc/Wasp is a good sidearm hyzer disc, but is harder to get a clean release on (at least for me, as I used a modified, not-typical sidearm grip).

Don't be afraid to throw drivers for mid-range sidearm shots. An overstable disc can be very accurate for sweeping hyzers.

Putters can also work for sidearm shots up to about 100 ft. It requires a lot of finesse to throw them with accuracy, but once you get it down it is a shot that can get you out of a lot of trouble. I recommend using soft putter for this shot as they absorb the snap and are easier to grip with 2 fingers. This is another finesse shot - all in the wrist.. a slight anhyzer release will help to get some distance.

[Omega SuperSloth]

i got forehand mixed up with backhand again sorry bout that i always call it sidearm but what i said about the cro still makes sense but i wouldnt use a jls or leopard for sidearm to understable id probaly use a skeeter,TL,Eagle for annie. what simoncarr said about throwing drivers is right on, a good slighty overstable fairway or slow distance driver works good too. try a t-bird or equvilant discraft those types of disc will be easier to release than some mids and p&a discs are which will help staying consistent

[`cjc]

Ths Star FL works as a great upshot forehand disc. The disc is fabulous for forehand throws.

[Ryan P.]

did anyone read past my first sentence?

[DiscChainBasket18]

Ths Star FL works as a great upshot forehand disc. The disc is fabulous for forehand throws.

I've been liking my FL for short flicks as well. Also been using my champ teebird for a straighter shot

[RustyP]

I like overstable discs for forehand...I can throw medium-stable and under-stable discs, but since my forehand shot is still being developed I find overstable to be the most consistent for me.

Technically it isn't a midrange disc, but the Whippet works great. You can usually find CFR Star Whippets for around $15 online. I'm in the process of getting rid of my Champ Whippets, only because they're hard to replace, and I'm transitioning over to the Gateway Demon (S plastic). Another good overstable selection would be the Sentinel. All 3 of those fly like mids, but the Whippet is technically a fairway driver...

[Rbuzz9]

did anyone read past my first sentence?

HAHAHA nobody did

i'm primarily a FH driver and anything from midrange and closer is backhand - but i was curious and asked a similar question after i tried throwing my buzzz's FH they just looked ugly - they had some decent distance but were prone to turning over

if you like Star plastic try a Star Gator - it was suggested to me - they can handle a FH for sure - very overstable & great for winds FH&BH you dont need as much finesse FH as you would with a Buzzz

i have a Wasp but its marginally more overstable than the buzzz and wouldnt be dramatically different than throwing your buzzz FH

i've never tried it but Discraft makes a Drone which is very overstable (flies similar to the Gator )which they make in FLX plastic - not esp but fairly close. hope this helps

[Woodpecker]

I throw about 90-95% FH cuz of bad knees. I have large hands and when I started playing, I couldn't get a clean release with my mids (Buzz, Glide or putter) as my fingers kept hanging on the thicker rim of the discs. So, I started flicking a 150 Valk on my approach shots as I could get a clean release with a thinner rim.

But, it hacked me off that I couldn't throw my mids with much accuracy. So, with lots of practice, I've gotten better with my Buzz and Glide. If I have a wide fairway, I will hyzer or annie my Buzz. If it's tight shot with a tree canopy, I use the Glide. The way I throw, my Glide goes laser straight with very little fade.

I'm still trying to figure out how to throw my Banger GT putter with a forehand. That thing has a mind of its own.

If I can keep my big fat fingers out of the way, I'm a happy camper. LOL

Woodpecker

[sidewinder22]

For me its more about the rim width and depth on forehand shots than the plastic, although DX is usually to understable to my liking. I like wider and shallow rims for forehand. I just got a Pro Pig and like it for shots under 100'. A also love the S Demon for longer shots to 200'. I do like my DX Gator over my Star Gator though because the bead on the DX makes it more stable and a cleaner release than the non-beaded Star. I also like Buzz GT for straight shots about 200'. I like my Soft Banger GT for shots under 100' straight. I used to use my Champ Banshee almost exclusively, but don't like the skip and have found other discs I like.

[buzzinb]

This is something that I have been trying to really work on in recent months. I carry a DGA Shockwave (Plastic is similar to ESP) and Pro-D Drone for these types of shots. Initially I found it too easy to turn both discs over but have since been tweaking my form and seeing much improved results. As mentioned by a previous poster, the Drone comes in an ESP variant (FLX I think). The key for me is to give these discs a little more height when thrown FH than I would if thrown BH. If I need a low/straight shot, I like a Champ Banshee thrown with reduced power and allowing for the hellacious skip.

[sidewinder22]

I forgot to mention the FLX Drone is also a nice sidearm disc for longer approach shots. It doesn't tend to roll away, but it will taco and flip after hitting the ground. I do like the grip of the FLX. I have trouble using this disc on short approaches and tend to go wide left for some reason. 80'-200' I like this disc, especially if I need to curve it around trees.

[Rbuzz9]

although i have not tried using one i have read that it is possible to use a very overstable highspeed driver for midrange shots - they dont glide much at all and have a very predictable fade so with some practice they could be fairly accurate. I think a Firebird would be a decent disc for such use.

[sidewinder22]

Firebirds are ok, although when i miss the approach, I typically have to layup for bogey. Firebird is a faster Banshee. I still find the Banshee is to much for anything under 100'. I actually used to putt with my Champ Banshee, but it skips out of the basket to much.

[sidewinding]

I hate to be "that guy" but I will this time. Any midrange that works good for backhand, if thrown properly, will work the same forehand.

With proper form you should be able to throw a blowfly 600' forehand or backhand. Anyone who can't do that has some serious form issues. Smile, wink, wink, stick tongue out, fart, snort, big grin.

[Rbuzz9]

im much more comfortable throwing BH within 250 or so. i really cant see ever pulling out a firebird or a flick for a 100 foot FH approach. The gator and drone are def midrange discs that can handle the [usually more] forceful FH throw.


soo other than the Wheel what does everyone use for an underhand disc?

[garublador]

im much more comfortable throwing BH within 250 or so. i really cant see ever pulling out a firebird or a flick for a 100 foot FH approach. The gator and drone are def midrange discs that can handle the [usually more] forceful FH throw.
I depends on the line you want. Really overstable, fast drivers work well when you need a forehand spike hyzer. For approach type shots where I don't need something that beefy or I don't want a lot of ground action (skipping, rolling, ect.) I'll just use my most overstable mid or putter.

[Ryan P.]

Rbuzz, i still think that you're the only one who even tried to answer my question, and i appreciate it. One of my friends has a Star Gator, so next time i see him i'll probably throw it a few times.

And I was confused by your statement about the Wasp-did you mean that it was much more overstable than the Buzzz or just a tiny bit more?

If anyone else wants to provide some input toward the original question, that would be awesome. These threads always get away from the original topic, so it'd be awesome if this one did.




at least for a couple more posts.

[BENFTS]

i would pay to see sidewinding or anybody throw a blowfly 600'. smoking crack, Avery Jenkins only threw a dx archangel 696' a personal best in the distance championship. i throw a 161 Star Orc 410' air distance and only 390' consistently. i know that good form will show that smooth is far but not with a steady Ed blowfly. but i do agree if something works BH it will work FH with more time.

no offense to sidewinding

[Rbuzz9]

And I was confused by your statement about the Wasp-did you mean that it was much more overstable than the Buzzz or just a tiny bit more?

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sorry about the confusion - i thought the Wasp is only a tiny bit more stable than the Buzzz. The other discs i mentioned are considerably more overstable than both the Wasp and Buzzz

[sidewinding]

i would pay to see sidewinding or anybody throw a blowfly 600'. smoking crack, Avery Jenkins only threw a dx archangel 696' a personal best in the distance championship. i throw a 161 Star Orc 410' air distance and only 390' consistently. i know that good form will show that smooth is far but not with a steady Ed blowfly. but i do agree if something works BH it will work FH with more time.

no offense to sidewinding

I was being facetious

facetious
1. not meant to be taken seriously or literally: a facetious remark.
2. amusing; humorous.
3. lacking serious intent; concerned with something nonessential, amusing, or frivolous: a facetious person.

...and are you sure Avery Jenkins smokes crack? No wonder he's so skinny.

Once again...being facetious.

[Rbuzz9]

hahahahhahaha didnt realize the seriousness of the anti blowfly comment hahahahaha
i use a dx birdie on anything under 500 - i gotta check out the blowfly and get me some xtra D.

[Omega SuperSloth]

[QUOTE=BENFTS;23678]smoking crack, Avery Jenkins only threw a dx archangel 696' a personal best in the distance championship. i throw a 161 Star Orc 410' air distance and only 390' consistently. we better hurry up and start smoking before he gets on meth then there is know way will ever catch up :D:D:eek:

[t i m]

I'd like to have suggestions for mids that are good for forehands. I don't like DX discs for forehands. They don't come out of my hand smoothly. I haven't tried Pro, but that's because it's the same grippy plastic, and it wouldn't work that well either. I like star plastic, but love discraft's ESP and would probably love FLX also. and anything similar. I need something more stable than a slightly beat in roc and a brand spanking new buzzz. i was thinking a wasp would be good (in ESP), but i've never thrown one. so for someone who has thrown a buzzz as a forehand mid and a wasp as the same, do they work well for that? or for someone who has thrown a buzzz and any other mid forehand, how do those other discs compare to the buzzz?

Ryan,
I would try a Star or Champion Shark or a Star or Champion Roc (if you can find one that is affordable). They will add a little stability and are very durable. They are both forgiving of mediocre forehand form. Another disc to consider would be a DGA Shockwave. However, if you want to improve your form long term (not just your short term scores), it will be beneficial to learn to throw neutral discs with a clean forehand (DX Roc, Buzz, etc...).
-Tim

[BENFTS]

I was being facetious

facetious
1. not meant to be taken seriously or literally: a facetious remark.
2. amusing; humorous.
3. lacking serious intent; concerned with something nonessential, amusing, or frivolous: a facetious person.

...and are you sure Avery Jenkins smokes crack? No wonder he's so skinny.

Once again...being facetious.

Awesome response, i guess what i meant was if the blowfly smoked crack it would go 600'.

[Omega SuperSloth]

Awesome response, i guess what i meant was if the blowfly smoked crack it would go 600'.

you taught your disc to smoke, awesome:D:D:confused:

[Jungle Tim]

flx drone is a highly recommended forehand approach disc. have you considered a banger GT? I find this does the trick mostly. ESP by the way.

though, if you smoke crack, maybe you should try the 'wheel' ive heard that these are great for long approaches on water holes.

[mmmatt]

Ryan P.,

I throw primarily FH and have thrown both the Buzzz and Wasp. The Wasp really doesn't feel all that much more stable than the Buzzz. For a round, I had a CFR Gremlin that I was really liking, but it found a deep lake in freezing weather. I was NOT going swimming. If you can find one, the Gremlin was very nice, though it required a bit more force that other mids I have tried.

As t i m suggested, it really helps to learn how to throw the Buzzz, etc. Shortly after I lost the Gremlin, I managed to find the touch on the Buzzz and it's now my go-to mid. Maybe it was fate to lose the Gremlin....

[Ryan P.]

Hey t i m and mmmatt, thanks for the ideas.

t i m,
concerning the shark, i don't know why i hadn't thought of trying that disc. thanks for the suggestion. As for the roc, i don't really like throwing a forehand with a disc that has a bead. it's probably not even the bead though. i can feel the gap between where the bead is and the outside of the disc is. (as compared to an ultimate disc). It's really annoying to me. I'm not exactly sure why, it just doesn't feel the same and it's always distracted me. I probably should have mentioned that in my original post.

mmmatt,
was that Gremlin originally a lot more overstable than the buzzz? Also, did you have a nice touch with it? I guess i'm looking for a disc that i can have good touch with forehand, but is predictably overstable.


And i don't think form is the problem. I can throw the buzz fine. the difference between the plastics for me is touch. with the esp plastic my buzz has and star plastics that i've thrown, i feel a lot smoother and more comfortable throwing forehand, and i have a much better touch with them. The dx discs don't come out of my hand flipping or anything weird flight wise, but with that plastic my fingers just stick to them a split second longer than i want to sometimes.

and by the way you two, high praise for being able to stick on topic. It's tough to not change the subject when we live in a world of ADD.

[mmmatt]

mmmatt,
was that Gremlin originally a lot more overstable than the buzzz? Also, did you have a nice touch with it? I guess i'm looking for a disc that i can have good touch with forehand, but is predictably overstable.


The Gremlin certainly held a line and I wasn't able to turn that disc over. Yes, I'd say is was overstable, almost as overstable as a driver. I was able to put almost as much power into it as a driver without it being flippy on me. I didn't have it for long enough to develop a touch for it, unfortunately, but it did seem like a disc that could be a touch mid-range.

[Ryan P.]

awesome matt. thanks for the suggestion. I'll look into it and probably get one sometime soon.

[valkyriefb11]

The Gremlin certainly held a line and I wasn't able to turn that disc over. Yes, I'd say is was overstable, almost as overstable as a driver. I was able to put almost as much power into it as a driver without it being flippy on me. I didn't have it for long enough to develop a touch for it, unfortunately, but it did seem like a disc that could be a touch mid-range.

Isn't the Gremlin O.O.P. except in CFR discs?

Found this page (http://www.innovadiscs.com/discs/legacy/gremlin.html) under the legacy section on Innova ... and this page (http://www.innovadiscs.com/discs/cfrchgremlin.html)

[Fore]

Isn't the Gremlin O.O.P. except in CFR discs?

Found this page (http://www.innovadiscs.com/discs/legacy/gremlin.html) under the legacy section on Innova ... and this page (http://www.innovadiscs.com/discs/cfrchgremlin.html)


This is correct.

[solomon.trenton]

http://www.discgolfcenter.com/main_displayProduct.php?p=76&PPQT1=105

not only does it look bad ass but the plastic is similar to star.

[mmmatt]

Isn't the Gremlin O.O.P. except in CFR discs?

Found this page (http://www.innovadiscs.com/discs/legacy/gremlin.html) under the legacy section on Innova ... and this page (http://www.innovadiscs.com/discs/cfrchgremlin.html)


Yes, it's OOP, but if you look hard enough, I'm sure you can find a gremlin somewhere. Just have to do some searching!

[valkyriefb11]

http://www.discgolfcenter.com/main_displayProduct.php?p=76&PPQT1=105

not only does it look bad ass but the plastic is similar to star.

I got this one for Christmas ... its a awesome disc :)

[_.-Dut-._]

Forehand approaches the Pig seems to be able to hold a sidearm line really well. When thrown flat it will stay straight with a little fade at the end. The Buzzz also seems to go well with sidearm.