View Full Version : It's windy - disc and technique considerations.
08-06-2010, 02:19 PM
Where I play locally it's windy more often than not and strong headwind is common too. I am a new player and wondering about how to deal with wind - like what discs to use and technique considerations. I throw RHBH and the discs I use are:
Pro Beast, 167
DX Leopard, 167
Elite Z Buzzz, 173
Soft Magnet, 176
New discs to get to help with wind would be beneficial information too.
08-06-2010, 02:44 PM
For a midrange I would recommend a Z Wasp 172-174g. It will be beefy enough to handle the wind but not so heavy that it will limit you when its not windy outside.
Driver - Predator and Firebird are both popular choices. 170-172g. I love my firebird when its windy out. When I throw it right it flies like there isnt a breath of wind anywhere.
You might want to try a stable putter (challenger, zone, etc) but when it is windy out and I'm 'putting' but not trying to put it in the basket, just laying up, I will use a driver for 40-80 foot upshots.
08-06-2010, 03:26 PM
I don't have dedicated "wind" discs--I adjust my technique.
Make sure and throw anything you normally throw, but with hyzer. That means to keep the same plane you're using to throw normally but bend at the waist. This will allow you to throw your "straight" plastic and keep it straight in the wind. Even a Leopard. I saw this very thing demonstrated by a world champ when I was a new player that opened my eyes.
08-06-2010, 03:35 PM
I have to agree with racer on this. Adjust your technique. I played a very windy tournament this year and shot the hottest round by using my Surges and Avenger SS's. My putter is 14 years old and flippier than most any you'll ever see. I was making everything while others were laying up with drivers. People where throwing new Bosses and complaining about them flipping.
08-06-2010, 04:28 PM
as a general rule, to combat wind, get more overstable discs... Amazingly, with the right headwind (and some side winds) you can get your overstable discs to fly like understable ones.
my home course (golden gate park) has constant wind issues as we are 1 mile from the beach. The winds constantly change gusts and direction; when the discs get up 30' (or so) they are really affected. my course is "wind affected" but not windy per-se (constant 5-10mph winds)
my bag is "wind resistant" but not "wind proof".
a peek into my bag:
you'll notice, other than the gator, the rest arent meathooks.
Wind resistant discs: If you look at the innova chart and divide it into 3 sections (OVERSTABLE, STABLE, UNDERSTABLE) you will want to be on the Overstable/Stable side (Destroyers, Max, etc) more than the Understable(Sidewinder, Beast,etc) side.
tailwinds cheatsheet: Tailwind makes all discs more overstable. To fight this you have to use an anhyzer to force the flip/turnover. (RHBH angle is "\")
Headwinds cheatsheet: Headwind makes all discs more UNDERSTABLE. To fight this (and the "forever turnover") you have to use a HYZER to control the disc's natural tendency to flip up (flat) and turn over. Super overstable discs can be flattened and made long bombers, understable discs can be hyzered so they flatten, go through their "S", for super max D. (aka hyzer flip) (RHBH angle is "/")
Sidewinds: Depends on angle. (too much to type)
08-06-2010, 04:46 PM
Headwinds aren't the only kind of wind you know ;)
In a headwind, throw what you normally throw with more hyzer. Only very strong headwinds require a special disc, and in that case pick an overstable disc like a Zone, Drone, Predator etc.
In a tailwind, throw the disc with less hyzer or throw something more understable, like a Leopard, Comet or Valkyrie.
Left to right wind will flip a disc more easily if you expose the underside of the disc to the wind. Throw something stable with hyzer, like a Teebird or Roc.
Right to left wind will make a disc fade harder and resist turn over more. Throw what you normally throw but compensate in your line for the extra fade.
Assumed RHBH throwing.
For your setup I'd say you're fine for the most part, just add an overstable driver like a Firebird or Predator when the headwind is coming in hard and you need good distance or a hyzer that won't turn over.
08-07-2010, 11:00 PM
Thanks for all the replies everyone.
I saw that the Firebird came up more than once - just curious, but how do a Firebird and an FL compare?
08-08-2010, 12:18 AM
The FL is based on the Firebird mold but the bottom part of the wing has less curve to it, making it less overstable. Don't buy it as an overstable wind fighter, because that's not what it is. They can be turned over easily in my experience. I honestly don't know what one should be used for, because it's not an optimal wind fighter and it doesn't have that great of glide. If you want to try a Firebird, make sure the wing is nice and concave on the bottom and it's marked FB, not FL.
08-08-2010, 01:05 AM
agree on the overstable plastic etc. It just has to do with the wind speed on the discs edge. Someone with good form and arm speed turn bigger discs over because they impart more speed on the disc. A weeny arm can turn that same disc over by throwing into the headwind. Their release speed + speed of the headwind = speed of the air on the disc's edge. Opposite occurs in a tailwind, release speed - speed of tailwind = speed of the air on the disc's edge. It would be like throwing the disc with less speed. That's why people throw understable in tailwinds and overstable in headwinds.
As for technique, smooth is far. Don't think "oh this is a headwind/crosswind I have to throw it hard", it's no different than any other throw. Smooth, with lots of spin on the disc. Don't try to torque it out there.
08-08-2010, 03:29 PM
Discraft - Mastering the Wind (http://www.discraft.com/res_wind06_p1.html)
This is a nice visual aid for playing the wind. Like Racer, ChrisHysell, et al said, it's more about adjusting angles and what not IMO.
08-08-2010, 04:14 PM
I say to get a Banshee, use it all of the time, and understand that in the wind, even if it goes right for a while, it should come back.
08-11-2010, 07:43 PM
i use a star teerex 175g in the wind
they say"Maximum Distance, long hyzers, headwind drives, intermediate to advanced players looking for a stable, wind fighting distance disc.
08-12-2010, 04:43 AM
With your discs, your best bet is your Beast. The Firebird does well also. For headwinds, throw hard and nose down, get that nose up and forget it.
08-12-2010, 09:28 AM
I would suggest two things:
First, get a stable, workable fairway driver, such as the Gazelle, Cyclone, or Eagle-X. Your Leopard is dynamite for tailwind drives and turnovers, but lacks the stability for any headwind. Keep it in the bag, but add this stable driver, too. You can later decide if you still need it, as your other driver beats in, a topic for another day.
Second, get an overstable fairway driver. The Banshee, Firebird, even the slower Whippet are all dependable overstable discs. Be realistic with yourself, though. If your max D is only a little over 300, a Firebird will seem way too much disc. But if you're bombing past 350, then it's a wise choice. You want a disc that you can work with. If you like the 167-168 weight range, I'd start there.
Others have mentioned altering technique for wind conditions and I agree. Often wind is not so perfecty a straight head wind, tailwind, cross, etc. There are changes, swirls, updrafts, etc. and it really takes some experience and experimentation (meaning searching for discs that blow 100ft off target) to find out how to handle situations. Learn to power the driver down for shorter headwind shots, skip shots, hook shots, and so on. Even if at some point you feel the need for an overstable mid range (another long debate on this site) you'll learn far more at least trying to learn this, rather than haveing a specialty disc for every shot.
Wind is not your enemy, it's a challenge all of us face. It can actually open up creative lines, if you choose to see it that way, by helping to blow your disc around corners that are otherwise difficult to hit.
Jessy's Hole In One
08-16-2010, 06:21 PM
I'm fairly new as well, took a 7 year break and am now getting back into it. Its almost a garuntee that in the afternoon it will be windy. I love throwing my champ Roadrunner in these conditions. It has an awesome high speed turn "throwing the disc harder than its rated speed"....but in a strong headwind i can throw it nice and easy then watch it make a beautiful S curve. Heavier wheights work better in a headwind..just something to keep in mind. If your just starting out, you'll love having a roadrunner in your bag.
Jessy's Hole In One
08-16-2010, 06:29 PM
If you have a fairly strong throw, get a med, to heavy roadrunner. It has a beautiful high speed turn "When thrown faster than its rated speed, it turns to the right" throwing RHBH. In a strong headwind throw it just a hair harder than normal and watch it soar. The harder you throw it the farther it turns right before coming back left...too hard and it wont come back at all. Opens alot of doors for us RHBH throwers. I'm fairly new as well, and i dont know what ide do without my roadrunner. And im new to the forums here so if i put 2 of the exact same messages out......my bad.
Jessy's Hole In One
08-16-2010, 06:31 PM
oh well..they're both pretty much the same lol.
08-16-2010, 07:05 PM
Roadrunners are one of the worst headwind drivers there are.
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