Worst Driver Ever

[ptsawyer]

There have been a lot of threads about what disc is the best and why, so lets go the other way and talk about discs we hate. Should be fun....

I'll pose two different questions, feel free to talk about either:

What is the worst disc you have ever thrown, and why?
(for me, the quest raging inferno. It just feels like cheap junk when you pick it up)

What is the most overrated disc and why?

(im going to stir up crap with this one, but I would say the Discraft Buzzz. Its a great midrange, but I dont see how it is signifcantly better than other midranges out there, like the Roc or the Shark. Whats the big deal?)

[Lewis]

I have a green 150g DX Aviar putter from a starter set. It dodges the basket.

[DGtourist]

Just about everything I've ever bought from Quest turned out to be junk.

Overrated.... The Wraith, I think its overrated, still good but not the greatest thing ever.

[sidewinding]

Golf discs are like children. It's ok to point out the things that make each one special. It is never ok to say one is worthless. They all have their place.

That being said, I played with some newbies the other day and they were using Whamo discgolf discs they had bought at Walmart for 4 bucks each. I let one play with my beast and he let me throw his Whamo. It was the biggest piece of crap I have ever thrown. Very understable and the plastic was very hard. It felt like one of those old melamine plates from the '70s.

[Lewis]

Golf discs are like children. It's ok to point out the things that make each one special. It is never ok to say one is worthless. They all have their place.

That being said, I played with some newbies the other day and they were using Whamo discgolf discs they had bought at Walmart for 4 bucks each. I let one play with my beast and he let me throw his Whamo. It was the biggest piece of crap I have ever thrown. Very understable and the plastic was very hard. It felt like one of those old melamine plates from the '70s.

Sounds like they'd be better off playing with plain frisbees.

[taxman]

i have a wham-o S driver. yes it is made out of a very hard plastic. i'm sure if i hit a tree with it many times at all it would lose it's shape. but i've got to say. if i throw it right, it flies farther than anything else i have. i don't throw it very often because i tend to anhyzer it even when i don't want it to.

every disc has it's place.

my beef wouldn't be with a specific mold of disc. mine is more of a dislike of a type of plastic. i can't stand any disc in the clearish colored champion plastic. once they've gone through a heat cycle or two (being heated up on a real hot day then being put back in a car) the tops or domes seem to get so soft that i can gently push on them and they flex. i had a couple at one time and they permanently lost there shape just from resting in the bag with other discs. i gave them away and haven't gotten any since. i'm sure others will disagree. i've got dx, kc pro, and star plastic and they all seem fine. i only notice this with champion plastic.

[sidewinding]

Whamo discs are the redheaded stepchildren of the DG world.

[Lewis]

My champion plastic discs are pretty soft on top, but they haven't gotten deformed, even after sitting in a hot car for weeks on end. Now that you say that, though, it makes me want to take better care of them. :(

[mcdavis17]

I started out with the Wham-O's (TurnOver, S-Driver, Mid-Range, and Putter). They would get eaten up quick unless they landed on grass softer than a down comforter! The S-Driver was nice, until I winged if off a tree and it landed in a backyard.

The putter got frustrating for me, as any miss turned into a roll that invariably stopped twice as far from the basket as my original throw.

Needless to say, it's out of my bag, and I'm pretty happy with everything in my bag right now. Everything has a purpose and a place.

Worst disc I've ever thrown -- Wham-O TurnOver -- you get that thing just a bit off level, and it's going to land 4 counties over! Very unforgiving design.

[disc-o maniac]

Sounds like they'd be better off playing with plain frisbees.

or even paper plates :)

[valkyriefb11]

Very understable and the plastic was very hard. It felt like one of those old melamine plates from the '70s.

exactly! Wham-O discs have to be the junkiest discs. I bought a set on clearance at Dicks SG and they were absolutely worthless. They flew unpredictably and were verry unforgiving.

I'm also curious ... has anyone else had the problem with deforming champion plastic? ... I leave my discs in the car periodically and I havent had any problems with my champ discs deforming ...

[sidewinding]

... has anyone else had the problem with deforming champion plastic? ... I leave my discs in the car periodically and I havent had any problems with my champ discs deforming ...

I've had a bag full of Champions in my trunk in the Texas heat all summer. This year we broke a record for the most days over 100 degrees. During that time I have thrown all the discs at least every other day and have not noticed any difference in their shape or flight characteristics from spring to fall.

I have seen some used Champion discs at Play it again sports that look like the domes are permenantly collapsed. I'm not sure what from but I can tell you that three months in a bag in a trunk at 100 degrees won't do it.

[JR Stengele]

The wheel is pretty weak. I haven't played with it but the idea of throwing something that rolls without using any skill seems stupid. I might as well get a rubber ball, put a discraft logo on it and act like it is legit.

[tomjulio]

This far down in the thread and no mention of the Aerobie Epic?

Had this thing for a week and the most inconsistent POS ever. Gave it to a friend, who threw one good drive with it. He also hasn't touched it since.

[blang]

This far down in the thread and no mention of the Aerobie Epic?

Had this thing for a week and the most inconsistent POS ever. Gave it to a friend, who threw one good drive with it. He also hasn't touched it since.

That was my first thought but I thought it was too easy. Sorta like picking on the dumb kid. Everyone knows it but you try not to talk about it.

Many will say the Epic is a good max distance overhand disc but I would give up the extra 60 feet to know where my disc is going to land then bounce then hop.

I also think that the plastic of the Epic Tur-bull. I cannot imagine it would hold up for someone using it as a driver.

[blang]

I have never played with them, but I would assume that that the Aerobie Sharp Shooter series are bad news. At the very least, they look like crap.

[oakley doakley]

I personally can't appreciate (I don't have the arm power) what a Aerobie Epic does for your thumber and tomahawk drive as far as distance. But I have seen guys who can and have heard the stories. So there is some practicality to the Epic (being a great overhand driver and adding distance that a Firebird/Predator etc. didn't give you). Also the Wheel worked kinda, well worked as a roller approach but that's it. Just not very practical in my opinion.
But I would have to say the worse disc I have ever played with is a tie between the DGA Blowfly or the Quest 10 meter Brick. Both were way too flimsy for me to putt with comfortably and that flimsy seemed to hurt both of them when trying to get into the basket. The chains would seem to repulse the putters and barely move. They both rolled surprisingly well for being that limp (always away from the basket). I have known people who swear by the Blowfly so may be it's just me.
Now maybe both discs I used were just really flimsy because I have seen 10 meter bricks that were much stiffer.
Runner up would have to be the Wildfire from Quest. I love and support anybody not named INNOVA but the Quests Wildfire was weird. It's a overstable mid range that looks like a 1950's flying saucer. It had a huge center dome that you could be push down like a big button and make the damn thing super overstable to the point it would fade really hard and land on it's side. It really never worked for me but maybe somebody.

[blang]

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But I would have to say the worse disc I have ever played with is a tie between the DGA Blowfly or the Quest 10 meter Brick.

the 10 meter brick is one of the purposed discs. If anyone has ever thrown a 30 foot over handed shot you know that it has to go very high to lay flat so not roll. This is not the case if you use the brick. It lays down very fast and will not roll past the target after hitting the ground. It is actually a great get out of trouble thumber disc at short distances and very accurate. It also a good understable putter if you are a lob putter for hills where you cannot afford a roll if you miss.

[discinator]

I have never played with them, but I would assume that that the Aerobie Sharp Shooter series are bad news. At the very least, they look like crap.
Today 09:18 PM


After throwing the epic for a while I would have said the same thing, but I bought the whole sharpshooter set when I was a new player because they float. They are very overstable for me backhand, but forehand is another story. For whatever reason I can forehand these discs better than any other disc I have. They are as consistent a disc as there is out there. My only complaint is the color, it is tough to find them in the woods.

[discinator]

I would have said that my worst disc was the whamo long range driver I found on a course a few years ago. I don't think it was lost on the course, I think the owner just decided enough was enough. They are pieces o' crap and very understable, but I did learn to throw it hyzer flip style. It still wasn't a good disc but at least I knew what it was going to do.

Which leads me to my vote: Aerobie Epic. while my longest throw ever is with this disc, it is as unpredictable as an election in Florida:eek: One throw will be fine and the next flip over into a roller and take off straight left, and the throw after that one will be overstable. Anyway I don't carry the thing anymore. I tried to lose it once and the one time I get a call back on a lost disc was this curse finding its way back to me.

[tomjulio]

. Anyway I don't carry the thing anymore. I tried to lose it once and the one time I get a call back on a lost disc was this curse finding its way back to me.

Now that's some funny sh#t!

[ERicJ]

Any of the three discs that come with the InStep basket:
http://picasaweb.google.com/ericjubin/DiscGolfGoal#5143703073978034210

They're made out of the cheapest feeling plastic I've ever felt.

ERic

[ptsawyer]

I also personally hate any of the "gimmick" discs, the wheel, (now illegal, for good reason) 10M brick, etc. It reminds me of in regular golf when they have a wedge with ad adjustable loft. No one who is actually good ever uses that stuff, IMO.

[RustyP]

I guess I can only call something the worst if I've thrown it. That being said, my vote is split between 2: The Whamo S-Driver and the Aerobie Paintcan Lid, errr, I mean Arrow.

One of our locals has an S-driver that he keeps in his bag for fun. He'll occasionally use it to crap out a horrible anhyzer and we all have a good laugh. As for the Arrow, I've thrown one several times and although they do fly straight, they have ZERO glide and feel very odd in the hand.

Not so sure about most overrated...probably the Destroyer, and really all the other speed 11+ discs. Unless you can already throw 400+, those discs aren't going to help you accomplish anything you couldn't do by improving your form / technique.

[Rbuzz9]

i think the DX destroyer for my forehand - its SO MUCH more understable than my Star Destroyer -which is actually lighter and turned over 95% of the time

blame it on user error - but it totally sucked for me

[High Flyer]

I have a green 150g DX Aviar putter from a starter set. It dodges the basket.

I'll second this one. Especially on windy days.

I hate it when it keeps gliding past the basket too. My opinion is that putters should be heavy with a high stall speed, so if you over shoot, you'll at least get it on the next attempt.

[iDisc]

i hate the aviar and the tracker. aviar turns a nice left before it hits the chains every time. i hate the tracker. it has -1 glide i swear, after i throw it it takes a nice spike 150 feet away

[Amorybulldog]

It, for all intents and purposes, has a place in dg. I think it is a great short thumber/tomahawk disc because it drops like a hammer so you can power it out of the crap and it will still fly some. As for a backhand disc, you folks that say you have thrown it real far have a type of finesse in your throwing style I could only dream of. I was putting this disc on display after getting it and was going to show off the roller with it. I decided to hammer it, put the same force into it as I do a destroyer or max and the crazy thing barrell rolled. No kidding, wing down to the ground and crushed it and it did a full 360. Of course it only managed about 200 feet. Crazy thing though. I don't think I could barrel roll any other disc backhand not even 150 class stuff.

Most overrated disc for me, gotta be the sidewinder. I can't get this disc to do anything twice in a row. I have thrown some of the longest drives of my life with them and then buried the next one into the ground and rolled it forever. It is certainly a user error, I just wish I could throw it consistenly.

[tomjulio]

Most overrated disc for me, gotta be the sidewinder. I can't get this disc to do anything twice in a row. I have thrown some of the longest drives of my life with them and then buried the next one into the ground and rolled it forever. It is certainly a user error, I just wish I could throw it consistenly.

Sort of agree with you on that one. when I was starting the sidewinder allowed me to throw "long" S curves. as my technique got better and my power more refined, it was really hard not to make that thing rollover. It sits in my spare bag and the Monarch replaced it as my understable huge S curve/make it snake around a tree disc. Give the Monarch a shot. Although same thing, too much power and you are rolling that down the side of the fairway.

[JR Stengele]

I am being told that the vision by latitude 64 is a sidewinder on steroids. Might want to give that a try as well.

[dobbins66]

Any of the three discs that come with the InStep basket:
http://picasaweb.google.com/ericjubin/DiscGolfGoal#5143703073978034210

They're made out of the cheapest feeling plastic I've ever felt.

ERic


I second this! When the "Saturn" (other two are the Pluto & Mercury) finally hit chains solidly the chains went into the plastic. I also found a disc at one of the local courses (it wasn't lost probably someone attempted to throw it away) called a Halex. This thing was awful, I didn't realize that a disc could be that understable.

Overrated I think depends on the type of shots you prefer to throw. Hard for me to pick an overrated disc because the (normal) one's that I throw like crap I usually know someone else that uses them well.

[maniak]

i have a wham-o S driver. yes it is made out of a very hard plastic. i'm sure if i hit a tree with it many times at all it would lose it's shape. but i've got to say. if i throw it right, it flies farther than anything else i have. i don't throw it very often because i tend to anhyzer it even when i don't want it to.

I found a Whamo disc the other day and later in the same round, I threw it directly into a tree, it is definitely bent out of shape now.

The disc I like the least is the Discraft XS. Not sure why but I just can't throw it very far or predictably for that matter. It's the only Discraft disc that I own and I hate it.

[Donovan]

I found a Whamo disc the other day and later in the same round, I threw it directly into a tree, it is definitely bent out of shape now.

The disc I like the least is the Discraft XS. Not sure why but I just can't throw it very far or predictably for that matter. It's the only Discraft disc that I own and I hate it.

What I don't get is, how does a company like Wham-O not make a play for disc golf? I mean a real play or run at it, not like what they have done so far. I just don't get it. If I were them, I would be trying to make a deal with Discraft or Innova or start your own division, and get the company name on some amazingly great discs. If they did it right, they could be an almost instant contender, with their marketing and retail deals they have already.

[Marv Vega]

I bought a Lightning #1 Helix back a few years ago and it's sat in my trunk ever since. I was expecting an understable S-turn type driver "Helix" but this disc seems like just an overstable midrange with little glide.

[Texconsinite]

Gonna have to agree with previous posts: The 150g Aviar from the starter set is a giant steaming pile. When I let my friend use it, and he tossed in the lake at Fountain Hills,AZ , I literally skipped and danced for joy, singing "Yay, the curse has been lifted!".....before telling my friend that he still had to buy me a new disc to replace it (definitely something different).

[Lewis]

I'll second this one. Especially on windy days.

I hate it when it keeps gliding past the basket too. My opinion is that putters should be heavy with a high stall speed, so if you over shoot, you'll at least get it on the next attempt.

Oh believe me, on a windy day, I'd rather putt with my Orc than with that wretched thing. :rolleyes: It's all I can do to keep it in my bag, but I keep telling myself it's a backup in case I lose my heavy putter. And yes, putters should be heavy, straight, and slow, not light and dodgy. What a cruel punishment for beginners. It's almost like hazing.

(The multi-quote feature doesn't seem to be working for me, so let me note that High Flyer is seconding my hate for the Innova Starter Set Aviar Putter.)

[swellerdiscgolf]

WORST ONE I BOUGHT WAS THE TURBO PUTTER FROM QUEST: ONLY GOOD FOR THE PIE IN THE SKY OVERHEAD THROW IF YOU CAN MASTER IT.

AND OVERRATED TO ME WAS THE LEOPARD. TURNS OVER EVERYTIME I THROW IT SIDEARM, NOMATER THE WEIGHT. AND A CLOSE SECOND WOULD HAVE TO BE THE WRAITH

[Lewis]

Yeah, the Wraith is kind of blah; my two are only worth their "Speed 11" rating if I throw them just right. At least they're straight, but there's no great reason to go out and buy one just to see what the hype is about.

One strange thing I noticed about the Wraith, though, is how the top is joined to the edge. In the first ones I saw out in stores, and in the first one I bought, there seemed to be a bit of a lumpy place (not sure what to call it) about 1/4 of the way in from the edge of the disc. You could feel it more than you could see it, but it was definitely there. In the last two Wraiths I bought, the lumpy place isn't there, and the discs are more stable. Has anyone else noticed this, or am I deceiving myself?

[valkyriefb11]

One strange thing I noticed about the Wraith, though, is how the top is joined to the edge. In the first ones I saw out in stores, and in the first one I bought, there seemed to be a bit of a lumpy place (not sure what to call it) about 1/4 of the way in from the edge of the disc. You could feel it more than you could see it, but it was definitely there. In the last two Wraiths I bought, the lumpy place isn't there, and the discs are more stable. Has anyone else noticed this, or am I deceiving myself?

I havent noticed this on my Wraiths, but I bought an Innova Dragon a few months back and I noticed the same thing on that disc. The top seemed like it hadnt been cleanly connected to the rim. I can actually see it since it is a light green, and can definitely feel it. It is my first Dragon, so I dont have any others to compare it too to know if the disc's flight pattern is any different.

[sidewinding]

Discrap!

[dangitboy]

WORST ONE I BOUGHT WAS THE TURBO PUTTER FROM QUEST: ONLY GOOD FOR THE PIE IN THE SKY OVERHEAD THROW IF YOU CAN MASTER IT.

AND OVERRATED TO ME WAS THE LEOPARD. TURNS OVER EVERYTIME I THROW IT SIDEARM, NOMATER THE WEIGHT. AND A CLOSE SECOND WOULD HAVE TO BE THE WRAITH

Um...It's usually the indian not the arrow. The Leopard is not the best sidearm disc. It is fairway driver meant to be thrown at lower speeds. You need a higher speed disc. The Wraith is a great disc and yes, you have to throw it at the correct speed so if you are a novice then don't use pro tools

[progprowl]

The first generation with the switch was light and very overstable. I have to put so much hyzer on it to avoid rolling it. The scond generation has a better light mechanism, but they over compensated and it is too understable. I have to throw with a ridiculous anhyzer and I don't get much distance on it. I love to play at night since I go to Morley Field in San Diego (3+ hour rounds on weekends because of crowds). I have resorted to tapping an LED and batterie to my wraith. At least I know what to expect when I throw it.

[Lewis]

The first generation with the switch was light and very overstable. I have to put so much hyzer on it to avoid rolling it. The scond generation has a better light mechanism, but they over compensated and it is too understable. I have to throw with a ridiculous anhyzer and I don't get much distance on it.

I think you got that backwards? :confused:

[Jimb]

I've only throwh a few discs that weren't from Innova so my least favorite will have to be an Innova. I hate to do it, but here we go. I got a Hydra, because it floats, to use at the Woodshed and Whipping Post in Paw Paw, WV. Apparently, not only does it have the ability to float... it has the desire to float. As a matter of fact, it loves to float. If I throw it, it's going to get wet! It may be my fault, but it's so overstable for an approach disc I find it virtually useless. It loves to take a header straight down.

And I bought a set of the "Frisbee" disc golf discs at a bargain store last year. I threw each one about twice and they went back in the box and back to the store. I hope they didn't sell too many because they'd probably turn new players away from the game.

As far as overrated, I'd have to say the FL. I got it as my first overstable disc, "to add distance to anyone's game." It ends up that it's definitely overstable, it just doesn't go very far. And I have a Champion Wraith that's way more overstable than the ratings. I just throw it instead because it's way more controllable and so the FL sits.

[DannyM]

Worst disc.....Any drivers from Gateway. Everything I've ever thrown from them is so massively overstable you can't do a thing with it. Now the Wizard putter from them is very good, I don't throw them, but I know a lot who do.

[OneBallWonder]

(im going to stir up crap with this one, but I would say the Discraft Buzzz. Its a great midrange, but I dont see how it is signifcantly better than other midranges out there, like the Roc or the Shark. Whats the big deal?)

If you ever say another unkind word about the Buzzz, I'll show you one up close and personally.

As far as over-rated discs are concerned, and discs I hate the most. Here's the list.

OverRated -- Roc, Skeeter, Avenger,
Sucky -- Xcaliber
Worst ever -- Anything by Quest AT

[domromer]

dragon...just plain sucks.

[djext1]

The innova Moray....Is there even anyone that remembers that disc =P

There's a reason it's not listed anywhere or available anywhere ;)

[cloudstrife]

wow the moray....at least it kinda looks cool :-D

http://discards.org/images/600_binG_008.jpg

[swellerdiscgolf]

Um...It's usually the indian not the arrow. The Leopard is not the best sidearm disc. It is fairway driver meant to be thrown at lower speeds. You need a higher speed disc. The Wraith is a great disc and yes, you have to throw it at the correct speed so if you are a novice then don't use pro tools

LEOPARD WAS TOOOOO SLOW FROM DAY ONE EVEN TRYING IT BACKHAND, AND THE WRAITH IS ALSO TOO SLOW. I USE A RAGING INFERNO FOR MY BACKHAND, AND A DESTROYER FOR MY SIDEARM AND CONSISTANTLY OUTDRIVE MY FRIENDS. WE ARE ALL SCRATCH GOLFERS BY THE WAY. I JUST DON'T SEE HOW INNOVA CLAIMS THE LEOPARD TO BE A GOOD STARTER DISC AND THE WRAITH TO BE ONE OF THE LONGEST FLYERS ON THE MARKET

[eegor]

I have an Epic. It's fun to throw, but I have no idea where it's going when I do. I bought it because I can't throw very far and it claims "you will throw it farther than any other disc!"

I can only get my innova drivers to go about 225, but I stay in the fairway... approach and putt. The Epic just doesn't work for my game. I never had to use the tomahawk throw before... I don't really think I want to.

[discflinger]

Ugh, sounds horrible! Ditch that bitch.

[thenamesben]

Worst disc... my 171 Star Cro. Even after hitting countless trees and rocks, it is still an overstable pig. Lately I've been going to my 175 DX Cro instead, nice and flippy.

Overrated disc... the Roc. I know I'll probably get a ton of hater replies, but I just hate that damn disc. It's a large diameter and feels so goofy in my hands. Give me a classic Aviar anyday!

[Marv Vega]

dragon...just plain sucks.

To each their own but I've parked my Dragon dead on close to the basket on water holes more than a few times, it's indispensible for me. Maybe it's just the added confidence that it won't sink. Yesterday I threw it on a 315 foot hole over water the whole way and put it within ten feet of the basket on a small island.

[dangitboy]

To each their own but I've parked my Dragon dead on close to the basket on water holes more than a few times, it's indispensible for me. Maybe it's just the added confidence that it won't sink. Yesterday I threw it on a 315 foot hole over water the whole way and put it within ten feet of the basket on a small island.

Just curiuos what hole this was. I am a Clearwater golfer as well and I can't recall any water holes like this. Unless it was 17 at Maximo. Btw who is this? Do you play dubs or handicaps ever?

[bjreagh]

Turbo Putt and Wheel- however I don't consider those to be discs...

so then I choose the Epic, it reminds me of a toy I had when I was a kid- a beach ball with a small weighted patch attached to one side which made the ball do crazy loops when you threw it!

[discflinger]

Do they make a left handed turbo?

[Lewis]

Do they make a left handed turbo?

Would anybody buy it? :p

[discflinger]

Sorry, I thought the question was the punch line.

[Marv Vega]

Just curiuos what hole this was. I am a Clearwater golfer as well and I can't recall any water holes like this. Unless it was 17 at Maximo. Btw who is this? Do you play dubs or handicaps ever?

It's in Orlando, Gordon Barnett Park-The North Course, Hole 18.

http://www.dgcoursereview.com/gallery.php?id=779&mode=gal#

We rented a cabin over the weekend at Lake Louisa State Park about a half an hour away from the course just west of Orlando. My Brother-in-Law and I wanted to play Bill Frederisck Park which is close to Gordon Barnett but they had a tournament going on.

I just play for fun and have never played in a league or tournament but I might try a tourny this year just for the hell of it, particularly if it's at Cliff Stevens or Saint Andrew's Links. We do play at least once a week in the Tampa area so there's a decent chance I've seen you out there.

[ERicJ]

The innova Moray....Is there even anyone that remembers that disc =P

There's a reason it's not listed anywhere or available anywhere ;)

Still on the Innova website (in the legacy section):
http://www.innovadiscs.com/discs/legacy/moray.html

ERic

[33tango]

As for the Arrow, I've thrown one several times and although they do fly straight, they have ZERO glide and feel very odd in the hand.

This is my favorite disc for exactly that reason, there are putts where (strangely enough)I want zero glide. I like it in the wind, I like it in the water since it floats. I got my first birdie on a tunnel hole because I could throw it extremely straight.

[borndasaur]

Found a Frisbee disc one day in a ditch, light as a feather and flew about as far. It was about 8.5" in diameter so it must've been a golf disc but I left it at the next hole. When I finished the round there was a children's church group boarding a bus in the parking lot. I think that disc was one of theirs but if these are being marketed to kids I cannot believe they are going to enjoy dg. Give them 150 series
or other lightweight discs and find ones that fly straight so they don't get discouraged.

[dangitboy]

LEOPARD WAS TOOOOO SLOW FROM DAY ONE EVEN TRYING IT BACKHAND, AND THE WRAITH IS ALSO TOO SLOW. I USE A RAGING INFERNO FOR MY BACKHAND, AND A DESTROYER FOR MY SIDEARM AND CONSISTANTLY OUTDRIVE MY FRIENDS. WE ARE ALL SCRATCH GOLFERS BY THE WAY. I JUST DON'T SEE HOW INNOVA CLAIMS THE LEOPARD TO BE A GOOD STARTER DISC AND THE WRAITH TO BE ONE OF THE LONGEST FLYERS ON THE MARKET

Lol. Ok. Well I do know for a fact that myself along with many other pro dawgs that I've personally played with and personally seen throw these discs in question with accuracy. Some of these players include Ken Climo (throws the Wraith for distance) Aleksey Bubis, Jason Light, Dean Tannock, Kris Orrick just to name a few. Barry Shultz even has a signature Leopard. So I am still thinking the problem may be with your throwing motion. What is your rating BTW because "scratch" would mean around 1000 right? If you are rated that high then I guess don't change a thing and screw those Wraiths and Leopards! I am a 958 as of now and I have had the priviledge of getting waxed by these amazing "scratch" players. All I'm saying is you can give a "scratch" player a freakin trash can lid and they could throw it just fine.:D

[Starwraith169]

I would have to say that the worst disc I have used would have to be either a lightning #2 upshot or the aerobie epic. I didnt like the Upshot because the rim was way too deep and the plastic felt almost greasy and very slick. The reason I dont like the epic, is because it is so unpredictable. If you dont throw it just perfect, it wont roll over and dives hard, but if you get a good throw, they go pretty far.
As far as overrated, I would totally have to go with the roc. I think that the buzzz is so much better, and everyone swears by the Roc.

[REDARMY]

#2 driver from lightning.

if there was a 7 fade rating, this disc would have it.

i'm convinced this disc actually starts going backwards at the end of its flight because it turns so hard.

[Fore]

The innova Moray....Is there even anyone that remembers that disc =P

There's a reason it's not listed anywhere or available anywhere ;)


I still have one of these. I used to love it but don't currently carry it in the bag. I have seen them pop up on Ebay a few times also. Last one I saw on there was the exact color and weight as mine.

[YonderScott]

I have to chime in that the 150g aviar is about the worst real disc I've thrown. I've thrown the frisbee maxflight and that's just not a real disc. My dog does like it as a real chew toy though.

[Disc Chainy]

without singling out any particular disc, I'll say i've really gone away from Innova's champion plastic lately. It seems like they're more overstable than they should be, and get too slippery when they get wet. Not to mention they seem to get really stiff when they're cold. I'll stick with Star and DX plastic from here on out...

BTW I actually like the Turbo Putter. It doesn't come out with me anymore, but I was deadly with that thing inside 30 feet, especially for tight uphill shots with overhanging trees/bushes. If you can spin it right instead of throwing it, it'll shoot out like a laser. sticks to the chains well, too.

[gusc2375]

I never liked the roc it just never lived up to the hype for me. I used a MRV until discontinued then switched to the Buzz it has always done me right if I did my part right.

[SimonCarr]

The worst disc is... well, anything with a huge/wide rim. Not a fan of any of them. I especially dislike the T-Rex.

Saw where a couple other people were talking smack about the leopard. The leopard is my bread and butter driver. Heck, Barry Shultz throws them 400'+

[ejvogie]

I bought three Whamo discs for $5 (total!) on clearance this past year. The S Driver sucked, was unpredictable, tacoed with the lightest contact with a tree, so I left it on a course 1500 miles from home. I doubt I'll be getting a call back on that one :D

The putter I don't use, but it's heavier than my Aviars, so i keep it around for, errrrr, well, I'm not sure why. It's white, so I did use it as a scorecard once.

The Mid Range though, I like pretty well. It flies wherever I put it, and it's a little faster than my Shark. Not a great disc, but much better than the complete POS you'd expect from Whamo.

[bazkitcase5]

I just wanna say, without naming names, that it is funny to read people hating on a disc because of their inability to throw it properly... but you gotta throw what works for you

and for those who do not like the wraith, get a pro wraith! for some reason, the glide on this disc is much better than the star/champion version and once it is slightly worn, it will go a long way

I've owned a lot of them since they've come out and when throwing distance in a field, the pro wraith will consistently go 10-30 ft. farther than any other disc in my bag, with proper throws

[valkyriefb11]

The putter I don't use, but it's heavier than my Aviars, so i keep it around for, errrrr, well, I'm not sure why. It's white, so I did use it as a scorecard once.


LOL, thats the best use I've ever heard for a whamo disc :D

[t i m]

You guys just aren't using your worst discs correctly. Worst discs have a reason for existence: goof off rounds with friends. Friends and I still occasionally play "worst disc" rounds where everyone brings their one worst disc. We randomly select who gets which disc and who starts on hole 1, and we rotate who has which disc on every hole. So the best strategy is to bring a disc you can throw well but no one else can throw at all... so at least you'll get a disc you can throw every few holes.

Typical favorites for the "worst disc" round included:
* Beat-to-crap Optimizer (warped and pond-stained)
* Proto E-plastic Speed Demon (almost 180g, flat as a ruler, most overstable object I've ever thrown -- makes CE-Vipers look like Stingrays)
* Beat-to-crud Aerobie Epic (yeah, you try putting with that thing
* Original DGA Blunt Gumbputt (floppiest, eraser-like, worst forehand disc in history)
* 105g Gateway Wizard (actually a great disc, but SOOO light it is almost impossible to get used to in one hole -- especially when you get it before or after the Proto-E-Speed Demon)

There were others, but those were some of my favorites.

Last year, we did a "Dilapidated Disc Ice Bowl (http://dgcnv.myphotoalbum.com/view_photo.php?set_albumName=album62&id=IMG_1579)" where everyone got to bring their worst, most trashed disc (still had to be PDGA legal, so no holes or broken discs -- we used the broken discs for the trophies). Same basic idea... all the discs were randomly given out to people... groups went out as foursomes and had to trade through the four discs they were given (I think we played 16 or 20 holes to make it fair, so everyone got each disc in rotation the same number of times).

Obviously, since each foursome played with a different set of four craptastic discs, scores between groups weren't comparable. So we used the first round to seed the second round. It was a small tournament, so we were able to take the top score from every foursome, and put all those top-players in a group together for the 2nd, shorter round. Each group voted on the worst disc their group had and the 2nd round group had to play with the absolute worst discs available... everyone else spectated and heckled the top finals card.

It was one of the most fun and memorable tournaments I've ever played. We set up a temp course with some awesome holes and had the park to ourselves. And with all the dilapidated plastic flying through the air, there were some crazy shots, big rolls, weird long anhyzers that sank chains on total flukes... I highly, highly recommend it to anyone looking for a fun variation on traditional disc golf for this ice bowl season -- or just for a fun round with friends.

[solomon.trenton]

my aviar that i used to have would sink at the last second(like it fell right off a cliff) and i think the most overrated disc is the boss. i hardly notice a difference between that and the destroyer.

[valkyriefb11]

i think the most overrated disc is the boss. i hardly notice a difference between that and the destroyer.

Really? I've found my boss to be far more overstable than my destroyer.

[kpc2004]

i have found that with my throw, boss>destroyer. the boss i have has little to no dome, and it just flies for me. before i was throwing around 300-330 every throw now i get around 350-380 with the occasional 400 footer (gotta love those :D)

I feel that the most overrated disc would probably have to be the Roc

[bazkitcase5]

if you can not throw over 400 feet, then the higher speed discs will do nothing for you that improving your form can not do, so of course these discs will seem over rated

and I would have trouble believing anybody who thinks the roc is over rated has very good form, or they just like discraft, because seeing what a good player can do with a slightly worn roc is amazing at times, like the disc is on a string (a good flat top buzz is pretty awesome too)

[SimonCarr]

Some discs just don't work for certain people.. I did not like the rocs at first, but there is a such a huge difference in the molds and plastics. Anyone can learn to throw a roc properly with practice. Some of the newer discs with the wide rims are not throwable at all if you can't grip it properly.. I'm sure that people with large hands have no problem.

[MooTaters]

Whamo discs are the redheaded stepchildren of the DG world.

...What's wrong with readheads?

[TalbotTrojan]

...What's wrong with readheads?

Nothing is wrong with Red Heads, it is just that everything is wrong with Wham-O minus the fact that they have the word Frisbee Trademarked.

[okiebullgod]

175g Star Spider. This thing is a brick. I either haven't figured out how to throw it, or it is a really bad disc. It literally throws like a brick. It seems it should weigh 875g the way it flys

[rockbuddist101]

worst disc for me would have to be the monarch. throw it to soft and it acts overstable. throw it to hard and it flips the second it leaves your hand. it does have its place as a nice out of the box roller tho. i just hate seeing a bunch of new players throwing monarchs and wondering y every shot they throw takes a totally different path.

the most overrated disc i think is the teebird. if the teebird gets as much hype as it does then the impact should be considered the world's greatest disc. i can throw my impact just as far as a teebird but with more control and accuracy.

but i am a discraft whore

[aarikc17]

but i am a discraft whore

This sums up the teebird thing, but I do agree with everything you said about the monarch! Right on!

[Technohic]

Since this keeps going on even though it pretty much is person specific, might as well have fun and answer it I guess.

For me; Elite Z XL Fly Dye. I know that is a favorite for a lot of people but I found one years ago with no marks on the bottom, not even weight and it feels like a big pancake. Doesnt feel as fast as a bunch of my drivers but the damn thing goes left or finds some other way to get in trouble no matter what.

I gave it to my son cause I cant stand it but it looks cool so he LOVEs it.

[Omega SuperSloth]

someone make a poll

[Omega SuperSloth]

alright ill make a poll,heres what i got so far.

Anything whamo
86 softie
epic
cheetah
black jax axe
dragon
10 meter brick/crossfire
Roc
Buzz

what should i add or take off?

[waynewf]

alright ill make a poll,heres what i got so far.

Anything whamo
86 softie
epic
cheetah
black jax axe
dragon
10 meter brick/crossfire
Roc
Buzz

what should i add or take off?

I think Roc or Buzzz could be on a "Most overrated" thread...but not worse disc.
I would add anything with the words "Quest" and "ultra-lite" to the list.
Champ Boss
Orc

[JR Stengele]

Those discs that Walmart sells. I think it is whamo.

[Omega SuperSloth]

I think Roc or Buzzz could be on a "Most overrated" thread...but not worse disc.
I would add anything with the words "Quest" and "ultra-lite" to the list.
Champ Boss
Orc
ok its added

[meatbones132]

I'd habe to agree that every disc has its place but overrated wise...

Vaklyrie. I cant throw those for the life of me and I know a lot of people stand by those with their life. And yeah all Quest discs are junk.

[MooTaters]

worst disc for me would have to be the monarch. throw it to soft and it acts overstable. throw it to hard and it flips the second it leaves your hand. it does have its place as a nice out of the box roller tho. i just hate seeing a bunch of new players throwing monarchs and wondering y every shot they throw takes a totally different path.

Well it's not meant to be thrown soft, it's meant to be thrown fast. And a beginner will never be able to throw it too hard so it shouldn't turn over for them. If they wonder why their throws take different paths it's probably because of inconsistency in their form, the angle thrown, etc.

[Mason65]

I don't think I've thrown enough plastic yet to warrant a "worst" disc, but I did pick up a Wizard the other day. I know many swear by it and I'm sure if it works for others then thats great, but I couldn't get it to do a thing I wanted. The rim was way too deep and I couldn't get a clean release on putts or drives. For me, the Wizard is a bit overrated.

[discgolf757]

Golf discs are like children. It's ok to point out the things that make each one special. It is never ok to say one is worthless. They all have their place.

That being said, I played with some newbies the other day and they were using Whamo discgolf discs they had bought at Walmart for 4 bucks each. I let one play with my beast and he let me throw his Whamo. It was the biggest piece of crap I have ever thrown. Very understable and the plastic was very hard. It felt like one of those old melamine plates from the '70s.

i have to agree, wham-o discs suck big time, they were my first discs... and they sucked!

[BogeyNoMore]

has to be a slipped vertebral disc !;)
That will mess up a helluva lot more than one throw!

[SpringDgLover]

I have never played with them, but I would assume that that the Aerobie Sharp Shooter series are bad news. At the very least, they look like crap.

You know would think they are crap and most are but the #2 is actually not a bad overstable midrange disc. Its also a great disc to throw when your throwing into some crap and dont care what happens to the disc. As far as the worst disc Ive ever bought well for me it has to be the Aviar P&A it just sucked for me.

[mashnut]

has to be a slipped vertebral disc !;)
That will mess up a helluva lot more than one throw!

True story, I missed more than a month of disc golf thanks to one of those.

[craftsman]

Any quest. How bout the Birdie? Lol. Anyone actually got a bird with one? I gave two ( plus others) to a guy at work so he and his grandkids could play- I felt kinda bad about it

[Omega SuperSloth]

Go roc:)

[Marty McFly]

How dare you not put the Polecat in this poll.

[Technohic]

But the Poleccat is awesome!

I defaulted to Whamo. DOnt know much about a lot of the others except the Cheetah, Epic and Dragon and have known people who like those.

[srm_520]

It's sad - I had to settle on Birdie when I was waiting for the illustrious Polecat to make the list. And how dare you but my beloved Epic on the list. It's not bad - just misunderstood. :) Best tomahawk disc I've ever had.

[JR Stengele]

WHAMO!

[billnchristy]

Never owned any of that stuff besides Birdie so Birdie it is.

[Marty McFly]

The EPIC is a face palm for sure.

http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj51/crys77/polar-bear-face-palm_thumbnail1.jpg

[DavidSauls]

I tried a Dragon once and about its 3rd round, lost it in some kudzu. I looked hard, knowing I'd feel terribly guilty if someone else found it and tried to play with it.

In the DX days I bought a Raven that was so understable, right out of the box, that on a throw of only 150', it would flip over and roll. Absolutely impossible to keep it in the air for any greater distance, no matter how hard you dropped the edge.

I shudder to think anyone's suffered through playing with all these discs and in position to make an informed vote.

[Technohic]

So far my experience with my Epic is no worse nor better than any other disc I've thrown overhand. Now I am trying to figure out the tuning and will see.

[Omega SuperSloth]

I tried a Dragon once and about its 3rd round, lost it in some kudzu. I looked hard, knowing I'd feel terribly guilty if someone else found it and tried to play with it.lol , that cracked me up , ive found two dragons in the woods .

[Omega SuperSloth]

if yall can come up with 10 more ill make another poll.

I dont know if the universe can contain anymore crappiness though, with all the shi+acular discs on this poll.

[TalbotTrojan]

The easy and correct, because there is a correct answer to this question, is anything Wham-O makes! I hate to say it because they have the word Frisbee Trademarked but they do not know how to make a flying disc that actually flys. Or at the very least that flys well. This became apparent to me when I played a lot of Ultimate and threw a Discraft disc for the first time. It was one of those oh this is what a disc is supposed to be like.

[sweeper]

My gf really likes her pink dragon.

I used to putt with 86 softees and have a bunch of them in my closet. They were ok until I discovered magics. I've never thrown any of the other discs on the list, so I'm gonna pick one at random when I answer the pole.

[Omega SuperSloth]

My gf really likes her pink dragon. Is THAT what the kids are calling it these days?:)

[Countchunkula]

I was gonna go with the cheetah until I saw the birdie. It was the second putter I tried, used it for about a month until I couldn't take it anymore. That thing flew great with no wind, but 5 mph was too much for it to handle. Been trying to get rid of it for a while, but even the nubes seem to know better.

[AdamH]

The Cheetah just doesn't get any love. It's a good beginner disc, but once you're past that stage no one seems to use it. Too bad they don't make it in champion plastic.

[Omega SuperSloth]

The birdie is the man in the woods but i cant remember how many times in the open id hit the chains dead center and it just bounce off.

I put the cheetah on there cause really i cant think of anyone that throws it, its probaly a good discs just outdated.

[bongripper0420]

I hate the cheetah.

[wallace]

The EPIC is a face palm for sure.

http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj51/crys77/polar-bear-face-palm_thumbnail1.jpg

yes. i don't understand why people buy this disc. to each his own, but man don't waste your money.

[3monsterboys]

i would say the birdie and the blowfly. i can't think of a time when my friend did not 2 putt whith that thing, and that blowfly i told my other friend to just throw it away.

[waynewf]

How did Lightning escape from this list??

[nygfaninva]

Quest sucks.

[JR Stengele]

I have a new dragon if someone wants it....eh?? Any takers????

[DiscJunkie]

Still trying to figure that Epic.
It's best attribute is its novelty.
I got 'em, just don't know what to do with them.

[BogeyNoMore]

has to be a slipped vertebral disc !;)
That will mess up a helluva lot more than one throw!

True story, I missed more than a month of disc golf thanks to one of those.

Always nice to get back-up.

[skurf]

Is the Black Jax Axe actually worse than the Black Jax Quest?

[Technohic]

Man, the Epic hate.

I am going to figure that thing out; whether I make it work or figure out to dye the word Fail right under where it says Epic.

[billnchristy]

Quest sucks.

Whatever.

Try a Rock-it or Classic Inferno or some love the t-bone.

I bet if you add up they have less sucky discs than Innova.

[Technohic]

Whatever.

Try a Rock-it or Classic Inferno or some love the t-bone.

I bet if you add up they have less sucky discs than Innova.

Oh now your just playing a numbers game with odds. :D

What about percent of discs they make that suck?

[BogeyNoMore]

I had a 135g first run Ultralight Raging Inferno DT; longest disc I ever had - loved it until it got lost. Tons of glide, if not overpowered.

The reason I specify first run is that Quest was never able to duplicate the characteriscs in subsequent runs. Tried two more (one purchased and one traded for) - both sucked.
WAAAYYYY more stable than their first run.

When I e-mailed the company to ask why the one I bought seeemed so different from the one I lost, they pretty much said "Well, we've never been able to reproduce the flight characteristics of our first run. " Gee, thanks.

Felt like they owed me a refund for the one I bought when they already KNEW it wasn't anywhere near the same:mad:

So much for Manufacturing Quality (or Cust Serv).

[Omega SuperSloth]

Is the Black Jax Axe actually worse than the Black Jax Quest?id compare it to throwing a broke in 150s champ valk.

I throw with alot of oat so that might be part of it, but all the reviews ive read say its the flippiest pos. It works ok for midrange shots , short tomahawks, and rainbow annys for me. The blinking lights are the $hit in the daytime on bushy holes.

[DiscChainBasket18]

My worst: Discraft Ace race disc

[billnchristy]

What about percent of discs they make that suck?

Well it is all opinion but I will take my shot at it:
Quest:
65%
Innova:
63.7%

Ok you win. ;)

[Omega SuperSloth]

i would say the birdie and the blowfly. i can't think of a time when my friend did not 2 putt whith that thing, and that blowfly i told my other friend to just throw it away.
Outta respect for ED i didnt put the blowfly on the list .

[Omega SuperSloth]

The raging inferno(in real weights) is a badass disc , if there wasnt a starfire id throw it.

[BrotherDave]

The 10 meter brick, it looks like somebody special tried to make it out of silly putty and rubber.

[skurf]

id compare it to throwing a broke in 150s champ valk.

I throw with alot of oat so that might be part of it, but all the reviews ive read say its the flippiest pos. It works ok for midrange shots , short tomahawks, and rainbow annys for me. The blinking lights are the $hit in the daytime on bushy holes.

That's weird cause they specifically made the Axe to be more overstable. I guess they failed. I don't have an Axe, but I do have a BJ Quest and THAT disc is the most flippy p.o.s. ever made. I can throw a spike hyzer with that thing and it will still turn over.

[Neophyte]

Whamo S Driver the worst disc I have ever thrown.

[rongallo]

The Whamo Turnover disc....the first time it hit a tree....it cracked nearly in half.

[adam423]

Whamo S Driver the worst disc I have ever thrown.

+1

I actually like the cheetah...

[prerube]

The birdie is very similar to the polecat, how is it on the worst list and not the other?

The Aerobie Epic is the worst!!!

[YonderScott]

The 10 meter brick, it looks like somebody special tried to make it out of silly putty and rubber.

lol, that's what I thought when I picked one up at Fins Furs and Feathers. I went with anything Whamo.

[Mason65]

I've never thrown a Wham-o disc, but I have thrown the Epic, and that thing is a piece. Even when I saw someone who "knew what he was doing" with it, and it still flew like crap.

[pokamitch]

epic rocks. just gotta have multiple skillz to use it....

[culinarywiz]

The Cheetah is a solid disc...used for long gradual anny's.
The other discs suck.

[davetherocketguy]

Lighting #1 driver

I know the Birdie is not liked here but I use it for putting on hills. Normally I use a Aviar P&A but on some holes where the baskets are on hills they always manage to hit the ground and flip up on end and roll downhill turning a 20' missed putt into a 130' uphill hell shot. The Birdie never does that.

-Dave

[ElementZ]

WTF?!?!? I love the Goblin!

[Omega SuperSloth]

the goblins not a bad disc but in dx its a piece of crap. you can find some champ ones on ebay for $20

[billnchristy]

I do have a BJ Quest

Isn't every man on a BJ Quest of some sort?

[Neophyte]

I am not too surprised how Whamo is running away with this poll.

[Omega SuperSloth]

epics not doing too bad , its taking on a whole company by itself. Should have put the all aerobie golf discs in one space, that putter is craptastically bad.

[Dillon_Gourley]

The real trick is going to be getting all these disc together in your bag and playing a complete round with them :)

[Vegan Ray]

Nice idea. If I had a Black Jax, I could assemble that bag from my basement stash today & hit the Grange. Knowing my schizy play, I'd probably set a personal best.

[DavidSauls]

I'll confess that I really like, and heavily use, one of the discs in this poll.

I won't confess which one, though.

[mashnut]

I'm still not sure how the cheetah made this list, it's a great control driver that's pretty similar to a leopard except that it flattens out and lands better where for me leopards tend to roll. For me, the BlackJax disc is pretty awful, I bought a couple for my gf and I to play night golf, and they are truly horrible discs.

[Omega SuperSloth]

i played a round(9) early this morning with the Axe , and while is mislabeled as being slightly overstable(more like understable)which is why i voted for it im regretting my vote for it . It floats ,it looks cool when it flys and while its hard to get it past 250 without flipping, as a fairway or mid its alright, with all the crap on this list not sure its the worst.

Since its my poll im switching my vote to the dragon.

[JR Stengele]

I am surprised to see the Cheetah up there. I thought it was a decent fairway driver, especially when I first started playing. I still have a KC Pro Cheetah that I have kept on to since it is now rare.

[gfellerjm]

I love my goblin! :(

[valkyrie]

i voted dragon about 2 days ago, today i got a dragon and....i can get some distance out of that!

[solomon.trenton]

Isn't every man on a BJ Quest of some sort?

i thought every man is on a threesome quest.....

[craftsman]

Worst part of the epic is how people defend it like " no man it's sweet. Just practice with it so when you get to the wide open hole that bh or fh would be fine, you can maybe bomb it out there and trick some new players into wasting their money and focusing on practicing oh instead of a usefull skill."
okay so maybe not a exact quote

[Biscuit]

Not sure if it's been mentioned yet but the discraft Slipstream GT should be up there. You could get a better grip trying to drive the turbo putt.

[discpicable]

I love the Cheetah.

[tmahan]

Inova Coupe
Discraft Vortex

[ejvogie]

+2 on Whammo turnover driver being the worst EVER. Tacoed on first tree, left a white streak when I bent it back. I lost it on the long hole at T2 and didn't bother looking for it. The midrange wasn't bad, but I left that on a hole during a dubs round :(. The putter is crap, but I keep it because I used it as a scorecard for my only round in FL (again, T2).

[Omega SuperSloth]

Worst part of the epic is how people defend it like " no man it's sweet. Just practice with it so when you get to the wide open hole that bh or fh would be fine, you can maybe bomb it out there and trick some new players into wasting their money and focusing on practicing oh instead of a usefull skill."
okay so maybe not a exact quote" yeah dude its great , wait well maybe its not greaaaat but and yeah i guess its not really good for flying and all but it makes a great object to throw tomahawk un-controled 500ft to inflict mortal wounds on people you may not like and maybe some that you do." :rolleyes:

[NDABRUSH]

I'm still not sure how the cheetah made this list, it's a great control driver that's pretty similar to a leopard except that it flattens out and lands better where for me leopards tend to roll. For me, the BlackJax disc is pretty awful, I bought a couple for my gf and I to play night golf, and they are truly horrible discs.

me to mash. The first fairway drivers for me were 2 leopards and a cheetah. Thought they were both solid mids and I couldn't tell the difference between the 2. of course I suck and don't put too much mojo on my shots:mad: my worst disc is the epic aroebie ultra long range get the F@*! out of my fairway cuz I'm going hard left after 100 ft. driver.

[Vegan Ray]

Had 3 Tiki aces last night with one of the "worst discs ever". 150g DX Goblin. Also hit ~70 & ~50 foot birdies with it on the big course & didn't miss anything <30.

[BogeyNoMore]

Isn't every man on a BJ Quest of some sort?
better to find a woman who's on a BJ Quest...:D

[Cradical]

If you think that Wham-o is bad, try the Axe. That thing is the flippiest disc I have ever used, in order to get an s-curve rather than a roll, you have to spike hyzer it as well as use all wrist and no arm at all, any speed on the disc and it turns and burns.
Also the birdie is trash.

[chain-addicted]

I hate my DX Goblin. I almost never throw it unless it its a possible "Disc-losing" approach shot. I wont lose any sleep should I lose that thing.

[Omega SuperSloth]

the only disc on this list i think that has no use what so ever is the dragon , yes it floats but so does a turd which like a dragon should be left in the woods.

[bitchslapthemidget]

What's so terrible about the dragon? I was thinking of getting one just to use at a particular water hazard heavy course. Also a cheetah was one my first discs and I thought it was great back then, but I based my disc choice on whatever had the coolest picture on it.

[optidiscic]

I bought a dragon specifically for some evil water holes....its funny the disc should be called the Osprey as it likes to just dive hard right into the water every time! It's just so light and understable that you can't put any power into it but it requires power to get it over the bodies of water I play...Maybe its me but I never have cleared water with it but it does float so I can t get rid of it!

[Technohic]

I knew a guy who used to throw a Dragon. He had the weakest arm I ever seen but the dragon flew great for him. It was like wathing a disc fly in slo-mo

[DavidSauls]

The merit of the Dragon---that it floats---is offset by the fact that, though you can get it back from a water hazard, you don't really want it back.

Floating discs are overrated. They tend to bob around out of reach in the middle of a lake, mocking you. Unless you have hours to wait for the wind to push them to shore, or tote an inflatable kayak in your bag, it's little better than having a disc sink. Especially if the floating disc does not fly as well as your submarine alternative.

[Omega SuperSloth]

ive heard the Double D floats but i dont know if thats in all weights or not. I really like the idea of a overstable floater, does anyone own one?

[WindyCityROCer]

I vote option #11 any DISCRAFT! LOL (this one's for you Eric)

[CwAlbino]

Dragon. such a pos disc

[wallace]

ive heard the Double D floats but i dont know if thats in all weights or not. I really like the idea of a overstable floater, does anyone own one?

lightning #2 hyzer. I don't like them for a whole lot else, but it does float and is overstable for what its worth.

[Omega SuperSloth]

lightning #2 hyzer. I don't like them for a whole lot else, but it does float and is overstable for what its worth.
What innova disc would you compare it to.?

[RBDJ]

anyone who voted for the Epic is just jealous of the animals that can throw it...better get your Vagisil...

[kyflash]

I picked the Birdie, but it makes a super good water bowl for the dog.

[wallace]

What innova disc would you compare it to.?

hard to say... closest would probably be something like a banshee, but slower and not as far. The lightning hyzer #3 is also a floater and its considered a midrange. it's sorta like a cro. i guess. these are just my rough estimations.

[Omega SuperSloth]

anyone who voted for the Epic is just jealous of the animals that can throw it...better get your Vagisil...It think you meant Tampons;), i mean vagisil:eek:

[Mack420]

i'm giving you the BIRDIE!!!:eek:

[vonDrehle]

I'm going to have to jump on the Dragon band wagon as well. Who knows maybe it would thumb good.

[Nathanbr2]

I see all the debates over roc's vs. Buzz's and which is better...

but the question I have...Is there a disc out there which you think serves no purpose:confused:...A disc that you think is inconsistent:gross:... has something (same brand) that is just too similar too it to make it worth the extra $15:doh:... or you just felt like throwing in the trash it frustrated you so much :wall:...

Any reason really. Just wanted to see what everyone would say to this. give me a disc and why...

[leppard]

Innova could eliminate either the Coyote or Mako. Not because they are bad discs, just because their flight characteristics are very similiar.

[Mike C]

10m brick. I win. Thread over.

[laflesh]

Granted I've only been playing for a little less than a month, but I bought a Wham-O disc golf set when I first started. The turnover driver and mid range discs were horrible to use. Luckily I actually bought some innova discs after like the Leopard and Shark, and Aviar PnA. At that point I reAlized that disc golf is not as simple as just throwing any old frisbee you can pick up. Lesson learned.

[Hippy]

Valkrye!!!! Most overrated disc in golf!!!!

[ZBoazMobster]

epic

[MrFixIt]

epic

X2...

As far as the Valkyrie being the most overrated disc, please keep in mind that it is a distance record holder.

[sbinwien]

Soft Magnet

A disc needs to hold its shape to remain a disc. Sure you can "putt" with it, but you cannot really throw it.

[WorldsCoolestGuy]

Turbo putter... Sorry to anyone who likes this one, cause i didn't.

[WillACarpenter]

Soft Magnet

A disc needs to hold its shape to remain a disc. Sure you can "putt" with it, but you cannot really throw it.

BLASPHEMY!

first of all...99% of soft magnets aren't very soft at all..and even then they hold their shape just fine, there are plenty of guys here that can toss one hundreds of feet. I threw one about 250' on a pretty hyzer flip line the other day, and I threw my wizard that is 10x softer than even the softest magnet I could find for about 320'

\/\/

[lazy42]

Groove. Please close this thread!! Thank you.

[shoe59]

Soft Magnet

A disc needs to hold its shape to remain a disc. Sure you can "putt" with it, but you cannot really throw it.

-1 :thmbdown:

[shoe59]

BLASPHEMY!

first of all...99% of soft magnets aren't very soft at all..and even then they hold their shape just fine, there are plenty of guys here that can toss one hundreds of feet. I threw one about 250' on a pretty hyzer flip line the other day, and I threw my wizard that is 10x softer than even the softest magnet I could find for about 320'

\/\/

+1 :thmbup:

[Dthunderchicken]

Ultralight Inferno. Way too much wing for that little weight. If your form isn't gnat's a$$ perfect, you have no idea where the disc will land.

[WillACarpenter]

Ultralight Inferno. Way too much wing for that little weight. If your form isn't gnat's a$$ perfect, you have no idea where the disc will land.

I'll second this for ANY ultralight super overstable Quest or Gateway discs...Illusion, Inferno, Spririt...etc...

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[mashnut]

Aerobie's Arrow putter, the shape and plastic feel weird in your hand, and it never flies how I expect it to.

[jacob2918]

Monarchs are rubbish owned two gave one away threw the other way deep in the woods

[optidiscic]

Innova could eliminate either the Coyote or Mako. Not because they are bad discs, just because their flight characteristics are very similiar.

Mako is far straighter though

[NateDiscFlip]

The "Brick"...wind putter....not sure if even PDGA approved

[toothyfish]

Pig: I'll probably stir up some controversy on this one, but it has so little glide, it just turns on end and dies.

[bettsjc]

I may stir up a bit more here.

Stingray. Who wants to throw a Mid with full hyzer anyways?

[tmahan]

Pig: I'll probably stir up some controversy on this one, but it has so little glide, it just turns on end and dies.


It IS aptly named. :D They just can't wait to stick their nose in the dirt.

[stsren]

Classic Roc - For me, it flies like it's made out of lead.

[bikinjack]

The worst thing I've ever thrown is a Quest Double D. Useless hunk of plastic is way too overstable to actually use for any shot, but it does float.

[DiscJunkie]

10M Brick or the Wheel or the Turbo Putt
Anyone notice a trend?

[Trashthrasher]

The worst thing I've ever thrown is a Quest Double D. Useless hunk of plastic is way too overstable to actually use for any shot, but it does float.

Turds float as well...

[zenbot]

I may stir up a bit more here.

Stingray. Who wants to throw a Mid with full hyzer anyways?
You're doing it wrong.

[Circleyrvowels]

discraft flick

[tstack10]

Turbo putter... Sorry to anyone who likes this one, cause i didn't.

I do the so called turbo but pretty well and that disc is absolutely horrible for any reason.


My worst disc i have thrown since turbo putt looks so crazy has been the maximizer. I have even tried giving it away and it keeps coming back!!!

[rbsold]

150 hydra

[jimbosprint]

Blowfly II. I gave it away to the first person that wanted it.

[tstack10]

Blowfly II. I gave it away to the first person that wanted it.

Wish you would come play at my course where holes on hill are reg and the roll aways will drive ya nuts. Need at least something floppy

[simpletwist]

Valkrye!!!! Most overrated disc in golf!!!!

I'll 2nd this. I don't understand the fascination with this disc. I'm sure its operator error, but it did nothing for me.

[billnchristy]

Archangel for being such a deceptive little B.

I can throw the damn thing 400' in the field and flip it and dive bomb it about 250' at the course.

I know it is me over torquing it but eff a disc that sensitive....thing needs some hormone therapy.

[cvlngnir]

Didn't really like my valk until it got flippy for me. Now it is my go to driver. Of course the wraith is coming along nicely too.

Worst disc i've throw would have to be none of the above. I have learned to deal with most anything in my bag so far. My least favorite disc is my roc sorry to say. it just doesn't feel as good to me a my shark. I know I will be banned from the site for that one but it is my experience thus far.

[cfair]

I'll get flak for this but I hate speed 12 discs. The Xcal is okay for wind but I prefer the Teerex or boss and the Destroyer just seems like crud to me. I don't feel like its user error but I was suprised at how unimpressed I was with it.

I'll probably never throw the speed 12's but 11 and 13 are just fine by me.

[Marmoset]

At different points in time I would have answered Roc or Comet.
They did not fly as advertised.

Now that I have cleaned up my form a bunch, those are my favorites.

My least favorite disc will change as my skill changes. I might have loved the Optimizer back in the day but now I have to throw it rediculously soft and with big hyzer and a ton of nose up. I still have no idea where that thing is going to land.

But like I said, I would have loved it back when I threw like a sissy.

[DiscBiscuit]

+1 for the sucking blowfly. Soft magnets are just right.

[Apothecary]

groove. monarch. epic.

worst. molds. evar.

[simpletwist]

The Assassin was another useless disc to me.

[Craton]

Soft Magnet

A disc needs to hold its shape to remain a disc. Sure you can "putt" with it, but you cannot really throw it.

Since when has it ever been a rule that a disc has to hold it's shape to be usable, or for that matter, be considered a disc? I have a few of these guys that are as hilly as the mountains of Montana, but they still do exactly what they're supposed to- approach shots 150-230', nice short anny shots, low power finnesse tunnel shots, and flopping down next to the pin with no chance of a roll. Sorry, if you're going to step on the soft magnet, you're going to step on me.

As for the thread as "most useless disc"- a disc that's in the lake. Not one that's BEEN in the lake- one that is currently in it- because I can' throw it. Haha.

[Waddly Hobbins]

I found a beat in flash that was crazy flippy. Even when thrown with extreme hyzer it would flip over and never come back and only go about 200'. I'm sure there is some shot somewhere that it may be useful...I'm just not going to carry it in hopes of that happening.

I even tried it for rollers....it would hit the ground and always go extreme right as opposed to any sort of straight line.

[himynameismatt]

Aviar P&A, just like the dude who said the Valkyrie was overrated, I think the Aviar is overrated, doesn't come in any particularly soft plastics, like gateway putters or even soft magnets.

As far as drivers go Groove is just ugh...

[Vegan Ray]

I think the Aviar is overrated, doesn't come in any particularly soft plastics, like gateway putters or even soft magnets.

R-Pro???

[billnchristy]

Dude I was an Aviar hater until last friday. Didn't have any of my discs with my so I took my daughter's DX Aviar P&A and played some one disc. That dirty stiff little SOB will hold some amazing lines.

[buzzinb]

Monarchs are rubbish owned two gave one away threw the other way deep in the woods

Yes, tortillas and toilet paper both have greater stability:mad:

[El Oso Peligroso]

+1 for the groove.

[Myers]

last disc I tried and hated was the Groove. way too sensitive and a disc that fast should not be.

[rbsold]

not a huge aviar fan myself, i keep an kc pro aviar with me just incase something horrible happens to my dx birdie. I'm looking for new putters though, might buy something not innova. like the ion or wizard...

[El Oso Peligroso]

not a huge aviar fan myself, i keep an kc pro aviar with me just incase something horrible happens to my dx birdie. I'm looking for new putters though, might buy something not innova. like the ion or wizard...

the wizard will be very similar to your KC pro aviar.

[imoser_me]

The Ching Precision. I could not for the life of me get that thing to go where I wanted it to.

[rbsold]

the wizard will be very similar to your KC pro aviar.

thanx for the heads up, sometimes i have no idea what i'm buying

[TerryP]

Groove

[Vegan Ray]

STAR Kite

[s3bvikingasw]

DX Archangel. I had an even weaker arm when I had mine, and it would flip too much with steep hyzer angles. It didn't even roll in a straight line. My beat-up DX Stingray is more predictable than my Archangel was (and it rolls alot better).

[wolfman7207]

Groove, Monarch and Birdie

[warren1086]

Quest Odyssey, hands down worst disc ever!

[rbsold]

Groove, Monarch and Birdie

What's wrong with the birdie???

[Mike C]

Wish you would come play at my course where holes on hill are reg and the roll aways will drive ya nuts. Need at least something floppy

Couldn't you just throw so that your disc lands flat? Works well for me...

[MrFixIt]

Groove, Monarch and Birdie

What's wrong w/ a Monarch?

[agent_peebody]

groove and katana

[1978]

Wheel

[Animage]

Regular Aviar P&A and I are not friends.

Just refuses to work with me, or I with it.

[sillybizz]

10 m Brick