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mcmyers640
11-26-2010, 09:29 PM
Directly...anybody ever thrown a Star Aviar Driver? I've heard that they're just the KC Aviar in Star Plastic. Is this true? I love the KC Pro Aviar but wanted something more durable. Any thoughts?

Apothecary
11-26-2010, 09:29 PM
kcs are a LOT stiffer and are a lot more floaty.

what am i talking about?

buy an ion.:\

mcmyers640
11-26-2010, 09:31 PM
Gotcha. Been hearing great things about that ion. Hard to break my love obsession for Aviars though.

mcmyers640
11-26-2010, 09:31 PM
kcs are a LOT stiffer and are a lot more floaty.

what am i talking about?

buy an ion.:\

Is the stability the same. I know the KC's can be a bit of a bear, but are perfect once broken in. I just don't want them to break apart.

Apothecary
11-26-2010, 09:32 PM
took me 10 years to properly season an aviar.

then i lost it.:doh:

ions are tits right outta tha box.:thmbup:

chain-addicted
11-26-2010, 09:32 PM
Get you a WizardSSS and dont look back.

mcmyers640
11-26-2010, 09:33 PM
Alright, alright. I fear this will turn into a putting persuasion thread. Any challenger lovers out there?

Apothecary
11-26-2010, 09:33 PM
Is the stability the same. I know the KC's can be a bit of a bear, but are perfect once broken in. I just don't want them to break apart.

:D

welcome to a whole new world.

they throw a touch overstable... a lot like a kc or a jk. but snap them and they hold whatever line you put on them until they hit the ground.

ions dont break in. and they dont need to. they fly as-intended from day one. AAAAAND they dont break apart.;)

mcmyers640
11-26-2010, 09:36 PM
:D

welcome to a whole new world.

they throw a touch overstable... a lot like a kc or a jk. but snap them and they hold whatever line you put on them until they hit the ground.

ions dont break in. and they dont need to. they fly as-intended from day one. AAAAAND they dont break apart.;)

Thanks, exactly what I was looking for. You must have thrown a lot of putters in your day.

chain-addicted
11-26-2010, 09:37 PM
Alright, alright. I fear this will turn into a putting persuasion thread. Any challenger lovers out there?

I got me a Soft Challenger signed by Cam Todd himself. That thing does wonders when it comes to approaches.:thmbup:

Love me a Soft Challenger.

NateDiscFlip
11-26-2010, 11:15 PM
I have always found the star plastic hard to handle as a putter since they're kind of slick to hold. The disc does fly nice, but a champion KC aviar is the same mold and maybe a little more stable. Both disc molds are very durable.

On the other hand, soft and organic gateway wizards are amazing tacky discs that almost resemble the aviar driver. For softer plastics gateway is #1 in durabilty, since tackier putters seem to break down and loss stability over time.

Go gateway and never look back:thmbup:

hewittdallas
11-27-2010, 01:05 AM
Alright, alright. I fear this will turn into a putting persuasion thread. Any challenger lovers out there?

Just got a few Challengers today and tossed them around a bit. I like the first impressions. Has similar flight to the Wizard out of the box. I'll spend some time breaking them in tomorrow over a few rounds and then make a more educated assessment.

snappyfingers
11-27-2010, 01:44 AM
Go gateway and never look back:thmbup:


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hewittdallas
11-27-2010, 03:45 AM
I have gone Gateway and I am already all the way back! :)

wolito
11-27-2010, 06:11 AM
I got a Star Aviar because I was in love with the Aviars in general. The Star plastic just doesn't feel right in the hand due to the plastic. Definately more overstable then the DX Aviars. Star Aviar is not a good putter either. That is what is so great about a DX Aviar, simple, old school, just no reason to change it up with the Star plastic. Lots of other great putters that can be used for driving instead, like the DX Aviar, Voodoo or Wizard.

Geaver
11-27-2010, 07:59 AM
I lost my first putter that I ever had (a pro rhyno about six years old) beat in perfectly. My favorite disc of all time. Three holes later, my buddy finds an unmarked star aviar. He says that he doesn't want it, so he gives it to me. I threw that thing for two months trying to replace my rhyno (straight 200 ft approach shots). Persistance paid off, and now that disc does what it's told. My number one disc for shots under 250'.

Jay Dub
11-27-2010, 09:28 AM
Stick with what feels best in your hand. Doesn't matter which disc you use, if you can't putt it won't go in.

MDeezy
11-27-2010, 10:21 AM
Star aviars drivers, KC aviars, and JK aviars are all the same mold. Innova claims that the star driver is most over stable of these, followed by the KC, and the JK being the most stable. I find the star driver great for floaters, and the JK great for straight line shots at the basket. The aviar P&A looses the bead, and is understable. I have thrown all of them, and think the JK is the most useful for me.

mcmyers640
11-27-2010, 04:53 PM
I got a Star Aviar because I was in love with the Aviars in general. The Star plastic just doesn't feel right in the hand due to the plastic. Definately more overstable then the DX Aviars. Star Aviar is not a good putter either. That is what is so great about a DX Aviar, simple, old school, just no reason to change it up with the Star plastic. Lots of other great putters that can be used for driving instead, like the DX Aviar, Voodoo or Wizard.

I putted with the Star Aviar P & A for 1.5 years. Totally agree. I switched to the KC and fell in love with the fit and the big bead. My only struggle with the KC is using it as an approach disc for the longer wooded holes. On tight 300' fairways I grab a putter, but I've recently trashed my KC over break this week and need something that flies close to this disc, but in a tougher plastic. Had to pull my Star Aviar back out. On the bright side, I now have a more understable KC Aviar. :hfive: Anyone have a putter they love for the longer, tighter fairways?

MDeezy
11-27-2010, 05:56 PM
I love my Pro Rhyno on tight fairways, but it is fragile so I am always hesitant to fly it. Other plastics in the same mold are so much different - especially putters.

kinfolkfan
11-27-2010, 05:58 PM
Star Aviar Driver, slicker than snot. Good idea... not a great execution. I have found a great deal of love for the Wizards as many people have said.

jparent
11-27-2010, 06:12 PM
I use kc pro aviars which are the same mild as the aviar drivers. I also have a jk pro aviar that I use for my straight shots. I recently bought a sss warlock and love the feel of the plastic, might try a wizard out. But for now, the kc aviars are money.

mcmyers640
11-27-2010, 09:32 PM
I use kc pro aviars which are the same mild as the aviar drivers. I also have a jk pro aviar that I use for my straight shots. I recently bought a sss warlock and love the feel of the plastic, might try a wizard out. But for now, the kc aviars are money.

Completely agree. So happy I switched to the KC. Big Aviar fan and the star aviar p&a holds that straight line for a while. KC's are perfect drivers once they get beat in. Apparently, I've hit too many trees and the disc is starting to turn into my anny disc where I used to have a beat DX aviar for that job. Tempted to just use something in star plastic.

Mr. Plow
11-28-2010, 02:27 AM
If you want something for straight fairway shots isn't a seasoned KC Aviar perfect? :confused:

Driving with a Star Aviar Driver seems to work fine for me, just don't try putting with it. Big bead 11x Champ Aviars can still be found for pretty reasonable too, though the price on those is starting to increase a little as they become more rare.

woodstock
11-28-2010, 07:45 AM
Threw Gateway Voodoo, went back to Aviar.

mcmyers640
11-28-2010, 09:19 AM
If you want something for straight fairway shots isn't a seasoned KC Aviar perfect? :confused:

Driving with a Star Aviar Driver seems to work fine for me, just don't try putting with it. Big bead 11x Champ Aviars can still be found for pretty reasonable too, though the price on those is starting to increase a little as they become more rare.

It most definately is. I play wooded courses in west michigan for the holidays (branstrom, whitehall, etc.) and I hit a good bit of the trees. After this weekend, my KC is perfectly seasoned and it flies perfectly straight. I'm glad i hit those trees...now. I just wanted something I could drive with through the trees and not worry about the disc flight changing much after hitting trees. I thought the same mold in a star plastic might be a better fit for driving through trees. Thanks for the input.

eegor
11-28-2010, 09:56 AM
I use my Vibram putters on wooded courses. I have all three and throw them depending on the desired line. They are the toughest discs on the market, so trees don't matter.

I don't putt with them. I use a Gateway Magic - straight all the time.

yawpstang64
11-28-2010, 03:00 PM
If anyone really wants a Star Aviar Driver, I have a brand new one, yellow w/black stamp, which probably has some ink. Doubt I'll bring myself to throw it, so pm me a trade or offer =D.

mgamache8
08-22-2016, 04:18 PM
Necro bump!!!! Has anybody thrown these lately? Ik they're going OOP(or so I hear), but that's not what I'm here about. Has anyone else found these to be not very OS? I was going to use it as a bookend to me KC Aviars, but this disc is much less OS than a KC. Can anyone second this finding?

F.Luke
08-22-2016, 04:34 PM
Mine are significantly overstable but they're san marino tooled pfn. I am unfamiliar with the more recent runs.

hugheshilton
08-22-2016, 04:43 PM
Necro bump!!!! Has anybody thrown these lately? Ik they're going OOP(or so I hear), but that's not what I'm here about. Has anyone else found these to be not very OS? I was going to use it as a bookend to me KC Aviars, but this disc is much less OS than a KC. Can anyone second this finding?

I've got one that is about 4 years old (not PFN but also not new). It's been in and out of my bag, my practice basket, and my back yard. It looks like crap now, but it still has very solid HSS. If I were better at getting a consistent release driving deep dish putters, it might still be in my bag, but that's my problem, not the disc's. On any clean release it has zero turn and a reliable, gradual fade.

SD86
08-22-2016, 05:27 PM
Necro bump!!!! Has anybody thrown these lately? Ik they're going OOP(or so I hear), but that's not what I'm here about. Has anyone else found these to be not very OS? I was going to use it as a bookend to me KC Aviars, but this disc is much less OS than a KC. Can anyone second this finding?

This winter I did a lot of work with throwing putters, particularly OS ones. I found my Star Big Bead Aviar Driver to be overstable, and THE most reliable in its smooth overstability (HSS). The Discmania P3 would try to fight out of the hyzer enough to miss my intended lines (going long), but the BB Aviar would hit those lines. I carry my BB Aviar on courses in the woods when I need to hit that hyzer line "just right". I'd probably carry it in my Core Bag if I didn't have the P2 and the Gator...

loki the trickster
08-22-2016, 05:52 PM
Mine are significantly overstable but they're san marino tooled pfn. I am unfamiliar with the more recent runs.

I am kinda in the same boat. I have a early run PFN star big bead and took it out and left it out. It was heavily used for at leat 2 years and its a bit straighter then when new but still hooks near the finish like a new KC and is why is out of the bag as i cycle kc's so i usually have a beaded one in my bag.

F.Luke
08-22-2016, 08:49 PM
I was wrong about the tooling on my thrower. Its the new mold pfn. My san marino's still in the new disc crate. I really like the overstability of these discs. Its my short firebird. Great for hyzers occasional skip shots and snapped straight with good fade. I'll even throw it for big anhyzers where I want to hit a dogleg and then carry straight.

hugheshilton
08-22-2016, 09:04 PM
I was wrong about the tooling on my thrower. Its the new mold pfn. My san marino's still in the new disc crate. I really like the overstability of these discs. Its my short firebird. Great for hyzers occasional skip shots and snapped straight with good fade. I'll even throw it for big anhyzers where I want to hit a dogleg and then carry straight.

Wow that's some serious overstability for an Aviar! I'd use a Pig for the shots you describe. My 4 year old Aviar Driver has definitely never had that sort of overstability.

DG_Before_Breakfast
08-22-2016, 09:06 PM
I like the Pure for all my putt and approach needs and as a driver.

The Opto Pure is well known as a great, straight driving putter. But they came out with Gold Line Pures and I love those the best for driving - similar to Star plastic (Opto closer to Champion).

hugheshilton
08-22-2016, 09:16 PM
I like the Pure for all my putt and approach needs and as a driver.

The Opto Pure is well known as a great, straight driving putter. But they came out with Gold Line Pures and I love those the best for driving - similar to Star plastic (Opto closer to Champion).

Um, this thread is about the Star Aviar Driver, why are you trying to sell us on Pures? I mean, you didn't even try to make a comparison between the Pure and the Star Aviar Driver, so this has nothing to do with this thread. Pures are fine, but they're not that similar to an Aviar Driver either in feel or in flight in my experience. The Pure is much straighter and more neutral like a shallower Aviar P&A, while the Star Aviar Driver is more overstable.

F.Luke
08-22-2016, 09:26 PM
Wow that's some serious overstability for an Aviar! I'd use a Pig for the shots you describe. My 4 year old Aviar Driver has definitely never had that sort of overstability.

I doubt mine is any more or less overstable than any other of similar condition (2 years of use and abuse) but as you said earlier, clean release is paramount.

On a 250 to 300 doglegs where spike firebird seems the obvious play, I am either/or on champ fb vs. *BB. I typically choose the BB and throw the spike hyzer with it. I am rarely disappointed in the decision.

Kodachrome
08-22-2016, 10:48 PM
My 5 star and 3 champ, 1 gstar big beads i've thrown have been less overstable than a kc aviar, barring one exception: my old pfn San Marino. That thing is beat to hell and it's still overstable.

All of them also have a wider diameter than my kc aviars with the exception of the San Marino.