discing down and playing tomorrow how does my bag rate??

[Prototype]

S ion
174 pro d buzzz
168 z buzzz
168 ce qms
160 Dx leopard
169 Dx teebird
169* Tl
170 champ valk
172 champ orc
*172 esp nuke ( for a specific hole)
What do you guys think?

[kcoates]

It's not really discing down with those drivers in your bag

[Technohic]

Not committing carrying a disc specifically for a hole or carrying anything faster than the Teebirds.

Remember, line shaping is part of it.

[keltik]

your real disced down bag is as follows:
S ION
Pro-D Buzzz
Z Buzzz
CE QMS

I have been known to be a discing down extremist. Is this a competitive round?

[Triflusal]

Drop the last four and then maybe a midrange. Or you could just use mids and putters

[Prototype]

Yes disc down masters, I will comply! What is wrong with the leopard?

[billnchristy]

I don't see anything wrong with the leopard.

[Prototype]

I don't see anything wrong with the leopard.
SOUNDS GOOD!

[BrotherDave]

S ion
174 pro d buzzz
168 z buzzz
168 ce qms
160 Dx leopard
169 Dx teebird
169* Tl
170 champ valk
172 champ orc
*172 esp nuke ( for a specific hole)
What do you guys think?

I would just do this, take out the valk if you really want to work on fundamentals. Just b/c it's discing down doesn't mean you can't keep a slow driver or two.

[djjeremiahj]

S ion
174 pro d buzzz
168 z buzzz
168 ce qms
160 Dx leopard
169 Dx teebird
169* Tl
170 champ valk
172 champ orc
*172 esp nuke ( for a specific hole)
What do you guys think?

overall i think you will be proficient with this setup.
there are some nuanced shots, etc that we could suggest other discs...

i'm not really sure what purpose the leopard would serve as it's so much lighter than the rest...

if i had to play with your bag, i think i could manage and do fine. There would be frustration as there are a few things missing, but overall i could manage with what you have. (assuming all are seasoned 8/10 or close)

btw- there is an entire section about bag reviews here -> http://dgcoursereview.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=37

i can say, however, be cautious of your bag going forward as i can see that it could hold you back from moving to the next level. But for now, i am sure you are proficient with it, and it suits you and your game just fine.

[Prototype]

I've got plenty of bigger drivers and different miss. Suggestions are welcome.

[Prototype]

Sorry for the typos, I'm on my phone.

[Technohic]

I could easily do a round with just these and not feel like Im missing much:

S ion
174 pro d buzzz
169* Tl

or

S ion
168 z buzzz
160 Dx leopard
169 Dx teebird

or swap out the QMS in there with the Buzzzs and mix and match. In fact, I have played many, many rounds similar to that last set up. Only thing I would want is a more overstable disc, but depending on how far you are throwing, you should be able to put that Teebird on a good hyzer.

Shaping lines is part of the fun when practicing. If you are getting in competitive play, then you can use discs that are a little more specialized if thats what you're most comfortable with, but you wont know what you can do with what you have until you try to not rely on those specialty discs.

Also, add the Valk in there if you want, but only use it when the hole is well out of your reach so you can keep learning to keep nose down.

[chrishysell]

seems silly

[Prototype]

I could easily do a round with just these and not feel like Im missing much:

S ion
174 pro d buzzz
169* Tl

or

S ion
168 z buzzz
160 Dx leopard
169 Dx teebird

or swap out the QMS in there with the Buzzzs and mix and match. In fact, I have played many, many rounds similar to that last set up. Only thing I would want is a more overstable disc, but depending on how far you are throwing, you should be able to put that Teebird on a good hyzer.

Shaping lines is part of the fun when practicing. If you are getting in competitive play, then you can use discs that are a little more specialized if thats what you're most comfortable with, but you wont know what you can do with what you have until you try to not rely on those specialty discs.

Also, add the Valk in there if you want, but only use it when the hole is well out of your reach so you can keep learning to keep nose down.

Ok, how do you throw up hill off a teepad? Still nose down?

[Technohic]

Ok, how do you throw up hill off a teepad? Still nose down?

You know, I dont think I've really thought about it. I mean, I have a few holes that I see regularly like that, but I just look at the line I want and dont think much about the hill. Hmmm.

I will say I am always trying to keep the nose down; though. Thats more of where a lot of my problems are right now and I keep trying to work on it. The throwing high and maintaining nose down has proven to be tricky for me.

[Prototype]

You know, I dont think I've really thought about it. I mean, I have a few holes that I see regularly like that, but I just look at the line I want and dont think much about the hill. Hmmm.

I will say I am always trying to keep the nose down; though. Thats more of where a lot of my problems are right now and I keep trying to work on it. The throwing high and maintaining nose down has proven to be tricky for me.

In TN we have a lot of ups and down shots. Very few are flat. The elevation is killing me!

[bikinjack]

Ok, how do you throw up hill off a teepad? Still nose down?

If it's super steep, throw a thumber or tommy, otherwise, just throw your regular shot. Throwing nose up causes the disc to fade sooner. If your throwing up hill, the disc won't have as much time to do that before it hits the ground.

[keltik]

the point of discing down is to throw the slowest possible discs during a round to improve your skills and to increase your distance. this concept is primarily used as a training tool. when it comes to competitive play you should put in your bag whatever you are most comfortable with and whatever gets the job done most effectively.

If you are just practicing then I say play with just Buzzz and ION. both are very long discs for their respective class and can also be powered down very cleanly. you should do this for 10 or so rounds. and for these 10 rounds you should really focus on getting those 2 molds to do as much as they can. after that add in the Leopard (which is a fantastic mold) and/or the TeeBird. again focusing on shots and skills (not just distance) while playing something like 20 practice rounds. can you throw a BH or FH roller? can you throw a 4 direction shot? can you throw a pancake/flop shot? these are the kind of things you have to practice. If you can do them first with a putter or a mid you can definitely do them with a slow driver and then a fast driver.

the key to driving/throwing up hill is to use an understable disc. you are essentially throwing nose up on purpose and when you throw a stable or overstable disc like this, they will fade harder and earlier.

[chrishysell]

the point of discing down is to throw the slowest possible discs during a round to improve your skills and to increase your distance. this concept is primarily used as a training tool. when it comes to competitive play you should put in your bag whatever you are most comfortable with and whatever gets the job done most effectively.



I guess that is why I don't get the whole discing down concept. Between the time changes there are very few rounds that I get to play where I would even consider this. Probably 90% of the rounds I play are tournament rounds. The other rounds are at a course throwing the holes before the tournament.

[keltik]

Chris you have been playing for almost 20 years and you are also a very competitive and successful player. you are not the target demographic for discing down. the target is newer players that want to improve their game and reach the level of play you have reached over your 20 year career. it's just a tool to provide some level of focus to practice/training. it's only one tool in the box; field practice is another.

[Prototype]

I played today and threw my two buzzzes and ion on almost every shot. I threw my teebird on a couple of drives. Wow is all I can say! I had quite a few shots that I parked my buzzzes under the basket from the drive. I never knew I could drive a buzzz that good. I also never knew that an Ion flew so well either. Maybe it is because I just got it. I will definately be discing down for a little while. I actually kept the buzzzes on the narrow fairways that we have. I also had more birdies and birdie attempts. Thanks for the advice guys I really appreciate them. As far as distance goes I got the teebird out to about 275 and the buzzz 225. I didnt drive the Ion but threw some nice approach shots with it. What is my next step?

[Technohic]

Drive the Ion. Great putter to do that with.

[keltik]

well my suggestion is play your next ten (10) casual rounds in this same manner. you may want to try leaving the TB in the car for a few of those rounds and try driving short holes with the ION. also try this on different courses too if possible.

do some field practice with the Leo/TB/Buzzz/ION. really work on getting the buzzz to 300 low and straight. also work on pushing your ION out to 250. mess with height and angles for all the discs. practice throwing all types of shapes of shot. a small orange cone at each end can give you a target. but this time of year you can find an empty HS football field and just aim for the posts. keep having fun.

[Prototype]

well my suggestion is play your next ten (10) casual rounds in this same manner. you may want to try leaving the TB in the car for a few of those rounds and try driving short holes with the ION. also try this on different courses too if possible.

do some field practice with the Leo/TB/Buzzz/ION. really work on getting the buzzz to 300 low and straight. also work on pushing your ION out to 250. mess with height and angles for all the discs. practice throwing all types of shapes of shot. a small orange cone at each end can give you a target. but this time of year you can find an empty HS football field and just aim for the posts. keep having fun.

I live next to our hs football field :) I've got work to do!

[wolito]

It's not really discing down with those drivers in your bag

yep, your longest driver should be the TeeBird.

[chrishysell]

Chris you have been playing for almost 20 years and you are also a very competitive and successful player. you are not the target demographic for discing down. the target is newer players that want to improve their game and reach the level of play you have reached over your 20 year career. it's just a tool to provide some level of focus to practice/training. it's only one tool in the box; field practice is another.

I understand but it may not be the only solution. One year myself and a few 980 rated players were constantly beaten and lost our points series to a shirtless, barefoot guy that carried a Boss and an aviar. He just played the game.

[keltik]

I fully understand your point Chris. there are a myriad of tools for DG success out there. the OP expressly mentioned discing down so I tried to maintain the focus of the thread. if the OP had asked if there were some other way of improving that wasn't discing down then we would talk about something else. I'm just trying to maintain focus.

[Technohic]

I understand but it may not be the only solution. One year myself and a few 980 rated players were constantly beaten and lost our points series to a shirtless, barefoot guy that carried a Boss and an aviar. He just played the game.

Were those the only 2 discs they carried?

Thats one thing I like about rally discing down and limiting to a couple of discs is you really learn what they can do.

That can be done with faster stuff to. This last summer screwing around, I almost beat my buddy with just a Z Flick and an Ion. I would flex and skip the Flick FH and BH, throw it OH and use the Ion for more fine line shaping or drives where I didnt have room for that big flex or that were shorter and I beat my buddy by 2 strokes.

I thought it was hillarious, but he wasnt amused. He now thinks however; that he needs a Flick cause "It can do anything!"

[chrishysell]

Were those the only 2 discs they carried?

Thats one thing I like about rally discing down and limiting to a couple of discs is you really learn what they can do.

That can be done with faster stuff to. This last summer screwing around, I almost beat my buddy with just a Z Flick and an Ion. I would flex and skip the Flick FH and BH, throw it OH and use the Ion for more fine line shaping or drives where I didnt have room for that big flex or that were shorter and I beat my buddy by 2 strokes.

I thought it was hillarious, but he wasnt amused. He now thinks however; that he needs a Flick cause "It can do anything!"

he usually only carried one or 2 discs. We called him naked Peter because he would show up at dusk and hide his clothes somewhere and play naked. Some nights the cops would drive on the course behind him with their spotlight on him the entire time. Of course he wore clothes those nights.

[Technohic]

he usually only carried one or 2 discs. We called him naked Peter because he would show up at dusk and hide his clothes somewhere and play naked. Some nights the cops would drive on the course behind him with their spotlight on him the entire time. Of course he wore clothes those nights.

LOL Thats not something I would want to just happen to wander into during a glow round.