TL substutute or similar flight

[slickwheels]

What is the TL equivilent made by Discraft and or other companies?
There has to be something else made by somebody else that is similar.

[burntneuron]

The 2 flatter strikers I've got remind me of my TL, but straighter, they have high speed turn, but it's more gradual than my TL. I'd liken them to something in between a Teebird and a TL. I hear a River is very much like a TL, but I can't verify that until mine gets here.

[skurf]

The River doesn't have the fade that the TL has, which makes it less controllable for me. As for Discraft, the older Z XS's are similar to TL's, but the newer ones with the cirlce stamp are more stable (i.e. not as much high speed turn).

[JTacoma03]

Stalker will be the closest disc from Discraft that I've thrown.

[surgeflx87]

Striker is way more stable than a tl imho. At least the opto one I have. Its flat also and has a good amoun of fade to it. Something my ce tl does not have. At least not that much fade. Just my two cents. Just starting throwing the tl but not sure what else would be similar quit yet.

[sidewinder22]

I say boy, accept no substitute!

[Frank Delicious]

Z XL, some trackers.

[smyith]

no one has a TL except innova. you can find valks, teebirds, and eagles but not the TL. stalker falls short of a teebird imo

Z XL, some trackers.
id say a Z XL is closer to an EL

[BrotherDave]

A bit slower but I think a JLS is a good substitute.

[ArcheType]

I'm with Frank on the XL, but not the Trackers. At least every tracker I've thrown has been wayy more stable than a TL

[Frank Delicious]

I've had some trackers throw like FLs and I've had some that throw more like TL/ELs.

[slickwheels]

I guess it would also help if I describe how they fly for me. RHBH thrower
250-275' mostly straight with some flex
300' they will flex out and come back
It is the only disc I can shape the narrow S-curve on hole #1 at Independence lake Chuck D course from short tees. Everything else has too much left to right movement and will hit a tree.
I do agree that stalkers are close.

[slickwheels]

The new XL's I have tried seem to fly like a valk for me.
I haven't played with anything melinium yet.

[slickwheels]

What the hell are all the numbers on JLS?

[eegor]

What the hell are all the numbers on JLS?

Supposedly 9 5 -2 3

The flat top one's are a lot straighter than that. The domey ones would be pretty close to that rating.

According to QuadCityDiscGolf.com the JLS is made with Teebird top and Whippet wing.

Here's the link http://www.quadcitydiscgolf.com/Millennium_BestKeptSecret.html

[slickwheels]

Not the flight numbers. I mean the run numbers I guess? Do the different run numbers fly different?

[burntneuron]

I guess it would also help if I describe how they fly for me. RHBH thrower
250-275' mostly straight with some flex
300' they will flex out and come back
It is the only disc I can shape the narrow S-curve on hole #1 at Independence lake Chuck D course from short tees. Everything else has too much left to right movement and will hit a tree.
I do agree that stalkers are close.

Sounds like a striker to me, at least how strikers with a touch of anny fly for me, although they may have a touch more fade from what other's say, but the TL I throw seems to have a decent amount of fade on it, and more turn than a striker, but my flat striker with a touch of anny makes for a killer tight s-curve.

[eegor]

Not the flight numbers. I mean the run numbers I guess? Do the different run numbers fly different?

Just like any disc made my Innova, each production run is a little different from all of the others. The early runs are the ones that generally have the flatter tops and the tougher base plastic. In my experience, they are also the straightest flying. I had a 1.7 that was dead straight all the time.

I've never thrown a "bad" JLS. Like a Teebird, there isn't such a thing. There are slight differences, but they're all good. If you want a tighter line, buy the flattest flight plate.

[BrotherDave]

I had a first run Sirius JLS once, it was dead straight. Very TL like. Not sure why I traded it. :confused:

[ArcheType]

I've had some trackers throw like FLs and I've had some that throw more like TL/ELs.

I don't doubt that you've thrown more than I have, I'm sure its possible, but out of the 4 trackers I threw, they were all very FLish.

[dan mc]

Jls whippet wing gazelle top. Lil bit faster than either of those discs are on their own. Ce champ tls are almost modern day star teebird stable. star tl and q jls are similar when fresh and crispy... good strikers are beefier than tls and longer than teebirds never met a xl that i liked but thats probably my fault. Hard to beat a good star tl

[Darth Anovin]

I say boy, accept no substitute!

Agreed. TL's are freakin' sweet. With Innova coming out with all these warp speed drivers, take a good 7 speed when you can get it! Although, I would like to see Innova come out with a fairway driver less stable than the TL for super annies. Maybe the TLF. Teebird Long & Flippy! Lol.

[valkcro]

Agreed. TL's are freakin' sweet. With Innova coming out with all these warp speed drivers, take a good 7 speed when you can get it! Although, I would like to see Innova come out with a fairway driver less stable than the TL for super annies. Maybe the TLF. Teebird Long & Flippy! Lol.

A hair slower but it sounds like you're talking about a leopard.

[Darth Anovin]

I'm wanting something super understable from Innova. 7 4 -4 1.

[smyith]

I'm wanting something super understable from Innova. 7 4 -4 1.

archangel (http://innovadiscs.com/discs/distance-drivers/archangel.html) anyone?

[Rol6566]

My River is fairly similar to my TLs. I want to throw it more, but it cant do anything that my TLs cant do

[jubuttib]

archangel (http://innovadiscs.com/discs/distance-drivers/archangel.html) anyone?Just hope you don't get stuck with the Banshee overstable Archangels like I did...

[Guurn]

My River is fairly similar to my TLs. I want to throw it more, but it cant do anything that my TLs cant do


This is pretty much how I feel. The TL is just a great disc because of its versatility.

[JoshEpoo]

Z Stalkers are the closest Discraft alternative. They are usually just ever so slightly less stable than a new TL but the flight finish is very similar. The two discs feel very different in the hand though.

[eegor]

Jls whippet wing gazelle top. Lil bit faster than either of those discs are on their own. Ce champ tls are almost modern day star teebird stable. star tl and q jls are similar when fresh and crispy... good strikers are beefier than tls and longer than teebirds never met a xl that i liked but thats probably my fault. Hard to beat a good star tl

I'm no expert, just quoting these guys...

http://www.quadcitydiscgolf.com/Millennium_BestKeptSecret.html

The Polaris LS is the Whippet wing Gazelle top.
The JLS is the Whippet wing Teebird top.

[Darth Anovin]

archangel (http://innovadiscs.com/discs/distance-drivers/archangel.html) anyone?

Yeah I used to have an Archangel. I just can't stand DX plastic.

[DiscJunkie]

Z Stalkers are the closest Discraft alternative. They are usually just ever so slightly less stable than a new TL but the flight finish is very similar. The two discs feel very different in the hand though.

I use a PDGA Membership ESP Stalker for less overstable flight than my beat-in TL.
Very similar.

[wolito]

I say boy, accept no substitute!

That is what I am thinking as well. Why would you want to try and replace a TL in the first place?

[surgeflx87]

I don't know, but maybe the ce tl I have is beat in nice. If throw it straight it will flip up easily and finish with some.small.fade. But I can throw it on a turnover or anhyzer no problem and it will keep on holding the line until it hits the ground.

[Frank Delicious]

One is not a good sample size.

[JoshEpoo]

Science is over-rated

[surgeflx87]

If I had money to throw 10 ce tls I would, but that's just my opinion. Ill post a better one after I pick up a star and champ and another ce. Since that's what i plan on doing soon.

[Frank Delicious]

cool, well thanks for stopping by and telling us how your one CE TL throws and not offering a non-innova alternative.

[sidewinding]

Champion Roadrunner is a longer TL in my humblest of opinions.

[Rol6566]

cool, well thanks for stopping by and telling us how your one CE TL throws and not offering a non-innova alternative.

Hey Franks back :thmbup:

[burntneuron]

Champion Roadrunner is a longer TL in my humblest of opinions.

The champ roadrunner I have has way more high speed turn than the TL I have does. I can hit similar lines with them, but the roadrunner needs more room to work.

[sidewinding]

The champ roadrunner I have has way more high speed turn than the TL I have does. I can hit similar lines with them, but the roadrunner needs more room to work.

Maybe your TL is newer and your roadrunner is really beat? Maybe you need to clean up your form? I have a beat TL that has alot more High speed turn than my newish champion roadrunner but it flies just like my beat champ roadrunner. I also have a new TL that flies just like my new roadrunner.

[Frank Delicious]

A RR has more turn at high speeds for me.

[surgeflx87]

cool, well thanks for stopping by and telling us how your one CE TL throws and not offering a non-innova alternative.

Oh no problem. Since we all know you give the best advice on here:popcorn:

I wouldnt offer a non innova alternative because whats the point in changing discs if it already works for you. :confused:
Go ahead and ramble on now.

[fliphyzer]

the Only Discraft equivilent would be a Players cup z Tracker, the others I've found are more overstable. the molds however is almost identical.

[Frank Delicious]

I wouldnt offer a non innova alternative because whats the point in changing discs if it already works for you. :confused:

Yes what would be the point of answering the OP's question?

[sillybizz]

the Only Discraft equivilent would be a Players cup z Tracker, the others I've found are more overstable. the molds however is almost identical.

I think the PC Z Trackers are slightly faster than a TL and have a tiny bit more fade but it's close. The production Trackers are much more overstable.

[surgeflx87]

Well thats how i answered it. Its called an opinion. Im done even looking at this thread now since you obviously get off by arguing with people over the internet. After seeing pictures, i now understand why. :D

[Frank Delicious]

Well thanks for stopping by the thread (again) and not contributing

[The Hammer]

You should try throwing a TL. It flies a lot like a TL.

[okiebullgod]

Stalker will be the closest disc from Discraft that I've thrown.

And of the plastics, cryZstal Z Stalker is the closest to a TL that I've thrown.

[GoodDriveBadPutt]

Maybe the OP thinks Innova's molds are too inconsistent. Maybe Dave Dunipace ran over the OP's dog and laughed about it. Maybe the TL is just a touch too overstable/understable/stable and something very, very, close one way or the other is what the OP is looking for, and he's tried every other Innova disc and none are just right. Ay yi yi...

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTGBhUhSCzZYctbWvQLlQHPwoIROQLBn HuAuQKmAMHC6P11qzBwoA&t=1


A bit slower but I think a JLS is a good substitute.

I agree with this, though it's not the only one, of course. When I picked up a TL years after I threw a JLS, that's what it reminded me of.

[smyith]

Well thanks for stopping by the thread (again) and not contributing

after years of reading your posts they still bring a smile to my face Frank. thank you.

another thought for the OP, an ESP XL might be close. i havent thrown one but they (ESP) are supposed to be between an X and Z, both of which ive thrown. The X has similar HSS but way less LSS and the Z has a lil more HSS (not much) with more LSS fade as well. as compared to a Star TL.
since youre throwing a CE TL, youre gonna wish you never picked the disc up because it was something special about CE and SE in the TLs. they just go straight. there is and most likely never will be a substitute.

[MDethCKR]

You should try throwing a TL. It flies a lot like a TL.

Best advice here

[burntneuron]

Maybe your TL is newer and your roadrunner is really beat? Maybe you need to clean up your form? I have a beat TL that has alot more High speed turn than my newish champion roadrunner but it flies just like my beat champ roadrunner. I also have a new TL that flies just like my new roadrunner.

You would be right in that my champ roadrunner is beat in, how much I'm not sure since I got it used, but it showed very little physical signs of wear. The TL I have is also newer. But from what I've seen when seeing other people throw RR's and my own experiences is that the RR has more high speed turn. Not trying to say you're wrong, just giving my experiences with those discs.

[smyith]

Maybe your TL is newer and your roadrunner is really beat? Maybe you need to clean up your form? I have a beat TL that has alot more High speed turn than my newish champion roadrunner but it flies just like my beat champ roadrunner. I also have a new TL that flies just like my new roadrunner.

ummm...the TL is more stable than a RR (plastic dont matter) any day of the week and in any condition (minus Pro TL). every RR ive ever thrown flat turns right from the bat with little effort. every TL (minus Pro again) ive thrown has required intentionally putting it on that line.

[TxDiscGolfBoy]

A used gazelle would definitely fly like the TL. My glow-zelles both currently do

[brattenj]

For me, an Assassin flies similar to my TL's YMMV

[prerube]

Why get a substitute. I have a pretty red one that I am sure you are interested in :p

[sidewinding]

Just man up and get a TeeBird.

[sidewinding]

Edit: wrong thread.

[burntneuron]

Just man up and get a TeeBird.

This man speaks truth, from the line you're describing a teebird flex shot sounds like it would fit the bill pretty well.

[aarikc17]

-crappy teebird
-stalker
-stable XL
-stable EL

[slickwheels]

I say boy, accept no substitute!

^^^Knows his chicken feed.

I never said I wanted to throw something else or change discs. TL does what I want it to.:thmbup:I do throw Teebirds also.

I was just curious as to what some other options are.

Thank you for all of the input.
Kinda funny how some read more into the question than was intended.

Who the heck said Roadrunner? lol funny comparison right there, not even close. Roadrunner is a turnover driver.

[prerube]

Why get a substitute. I have a pretty red one that I am sure you are interested in :p

did you miss this one slick?

[slickwheels]

did you miss this one slick?

You are a funny guy. That disc will practically fly itself to the basket, just hold out your arm!

Hold onto it as I pm'd please.