Late Show rules question

[solomon.trenton]

What happens when someone on your card shows up late and has missed a couple of holes. What is their score for the holes they missed. I was told that it was always 9, but my PDGA TD didnt even know the accurate ruling. The guy never showed up for rd 2 but was curious nonetheless. The whole course is par 3 if that makes a difference.

[TheLyonsKing]

isnt it 4 PLUS par?

ex - par 3 get a 7 on the hole.

[solomon.trenton]

i dont know, thats why I am asking. I couldnt find it in the rules

[TheLyonsKing]

I think I'm right someone else will know for sure. I dont play too many tournaments and haven't encountered that yet.

[Dfwdscglfr]

i think on any hole you can take 4 plus par

if you havent thrown from the tee

[vonDrehle]

isnt it 4 PLUS par?

ex - par 3 get a 7 on the hole.

I believe this is correct. I'm searching the rules and comp. manual but can't find anything official on it.

[Cgkdisc]

It's par plus 4 for each missed hole at the beginning of a round per Competition Manual rule 1.5B(1). You must complete a round or it's a DNF (did not finish). In other words, you can be late for a few holes at the start of the round and take par + 4s on those holes. You cannot skip the last few holes of a round and take par + 4s on those. It's a DNF.

[TheLyonsKing]

very good.

[vonDrehle]

Found it in Competition Manual (http://www.pdga.com/files/documents/PDGA_Competition_Manual_2011.pdf) 1.5

If a player is not present to throw when it
is his or her turn, the scorekeeper shall allow 30 seconds. If the player has not thrown after the 30 seconds has elapsed, a score of par plus four is to be entered for that hole.


Boo, Chuck beat me :(...

[solomon.trenton]

It's par plus 4 for each missed hole at the beginning of a round per Competition Manual rule 1.5B(1). You must complete a round or it's a DNF (did not finish). In other words, you can be late for a few holes at the start of the round and take par + 4s on those holes. You cannot skip the last few holes of a round and take par + 4s on those. It's a DNF.

thanks for the help

[Sadjo]

It's par plus 4 for each missed hole at the beginning of a round per Competition Manual rule 1.5B(1). You must complete a round or it's a DNF (did not finish). In other words, you can be late for a few holes at the start of the round and take par + 4s on those holes. You cannot skip the last few holes of a round and take par + 4s on those. It's a DNF.

Chuck...that would be the post par on the sign correct? I've seen courses where the par on the sign is one thing but different on the score cards used for the tournament.

[jenb]

I have a related question regarding mAking the turn and stopping at the restrooms rather than going immediately to the tee, even when the tee is not backed up. What if one plyer goes to the restroom, and everyone else goes to the tee and waits? How long are they supposed to wait? What of the next card arrives and becomes impatient? Can they stroke the people at the tee for waiting?

[DavidSauls]

The rules don't have a provision for bathroom stops (or injuries, for that matter). You can't call "Time Out". BUT it'd be a cold-hearted group who didn't bend the rules a little in either case.

[DavidSauls]

Chuck...that would be the post par on the sign correct? I've seen courses where the par on the sign is one thing but different on the score cards used for the tournament.

I'd think the scorecard would have precedent, if provided by the TD.

It always has been at Earlewood (where the signs are a bit.....silly).

[billnchristy]

No kidding...some places have 250' par 5s, imagine that beatdown? Might as well just not show up at all.

[Brall]

how does the score get added for someone with a DNF hole?

my guess is that there is no score at all for that person. probably labeled as DNF where everyone else would have their score for the round?

[ejvogie]

AFAIK, a DNF is marked as a 999

[Cgkdisc]

If the "DNF" hole is the first hole of the round, you simply enter the score for that hole as a number which equals par + 4. Missing any other hole in the round other than the first one is a DNF and you can simply write that in the Total score box on the card.

[billnchristy]

Actually (semantics) the only way you can get a score is a DNS (did not start) if you DNF you 999.

[snappyfingers]

The rules don't have a provision for bathroom stops (or injuries, for that matter). You can't call "Time Out". BUT it'd be a cold-hearted group who didn't bend the rules a little in either case.

Seriously!
I played in a Monthly yesterday and both times we got to Hole #19 one of the guys on my card had to hit the bathrooms.
We of course waited and even let one group play through. Everyone on both cards agreed that a bathroom trip shouldn't be penalized.

[Cgkdisc]

There's some support for the bathroom stops in the rulebook. The playing area has to be "free of distractions" 801.03A(3) before the player's 30 seconds starts. If my trunk is really uncomfortable then that could qualify as a distraction. And potentially related to this, a player farting could be distracting for the other players...:)

[Dave242]

The rules don't have a provision for bathroom stops (or injuries, for that matter). You can't call "Time Out". BUT it'd be a cold-hearted group who didn't bend the rules a little in either case.

Yes they do - 30 seconds. :D

Actually (more seriously), there is wiggle room in the "reasonable time" clause, and you could always tell the group if they are cold-hearted "I'm hitting the head and will be late to the tee. Give me an Excessive Time warning when I get back if you want."

801.03 Excessive Time:
A. A maximum of 30 seconds is allowed to each player to make a throw after:
(1) the previous player has thrown; and,
(2) the player has taken a reasonable time to arrive at the disc and mark the lie; and,
(3) the playing area is clear and free of distractions.
B. A player shall receive a warning for the first excessive time violation if observed by two or more players of the group or an official. The player shall be assessed one penalty throw for each subsequent excessive time violation in the same round if observed by two or more players of the group or an official.

[Dave242]

There's some support for the bathroom stops in the rulebook. The playing area has to be "free of distractions" 801.03A(3) before the player's 30 seconds starts. If my trunk is really uncomfortable then that could qualify as a distraction. And potentially related to this, a player farting could be distracting for the other players...:)

Problem is, to be legal you would have to relieve yourself at the tee per 801.03.A.02-03. And then that would violate park rules and that would result in an automatic DQ :D

[Dave242]

Chuck - the 999 talk made me think of something from years ago: is/was the 777 code ever used for something in scoring? I used to know this because I got in a discussion about it, but have since forgotten.

[Dave242]

Actually (more seriously), there is wiggle room in the "reasonable time" clause, and you could always tell the group if they are cold-hearted "I'm hitting the head and will be late to the tee. Give me an Excessive Time warning when I get back if you want."

801.03 Excessive Time:
A. A maximum of 30 seconds is allowed to each player to make a throw after:
(1) the previous player has thrown; and,
(2) the player has taken a reasonable time to arrive at the disc and mark the lie; and,
(3) the playing area is clear and free of distractions.
B. A player shall receive a warning for the first excessive time violation if observed by two or more players of the group or an official. The player shall be assessed one penalty throw for each subsequent excessive time violation in the same round if observed by two or more players of the group or an official.

Correction (since I can't edit....and I do hate talking to myself): I suppose technically that you would have to arrive at the tee (or disc) first and then announce your bathroom break.

[DavidSauls]

Yes they do - 30 seconds. :D

Actually (more seriously), there is wiggle room in the "reasonable time" clause, and you could always tell the group if they are cold-hearted "I'm hitting the head and will be late to the tee. Give me an Excessive Time warning when I get back if you want."

801.03 Excessive Time:
A. A maximum of 30 seconds is allowed to each player to make a throw after:
(1) the previous player has thrown; and,
(2) the player has taken a reasonable time to arrive at the disc and mark the lie; and,
(3) the playing area is clear and free of distractions.
B. A player shall receive a warning for the first excessive time violation if observed by two or more players of the group or an official. The player shall be assessed one penalty throw for each subsequent excessive time violation in the same round if observed by two or more players of the group or an official.

Ah, very good. One permissable excessive time violation per round. Use it wisely.

[Cgkdisc]

Chuck - the 999 talk made me think of something from years ago: is/was the 777 code ever used for something in scoring? I used to know this because I got in a discussion about it, but have since forgotten.
Yes. I'm not sure what that was for although I'm thinking it was when a player had to skip a round for some reason but was coming back to play remaining rounds and wanted those to count for ratings. I think Gentry just handles it with a 999 for the missed round score and the other rounds do get rated.

[jenb]

There's some support for the bathroom stops in the rulebook. The playing area has to be "free of distractions" 801.03A(3) before the player's 30 seconds starts. If my trunk is really uncomfortable then that could qualify as a distraction. And potentially related to this, a player farting could be distracting for the other players...:)

lol. We had a lady, recently pregant, who couldn't hurry back and forth to the restrooms because her chesticles were too sensitive for running. Just imagine us calling out to her to hurry up for fear of getting penalty throws, as she continues to casually stroll her way back to the group. lol.

Creative rule usage is fun! Imagine your card mate stubs a drive into a tree two feet from the tee, and you call a foot fault, which is seconded, and they get a warning and retee with no penalty. Good times!