Elevated Baskets...

[_.-Dut-._]

Was curious what the masses thought about these.

http://www.dgcoursereview.com/course_pics/3529/defbf73f.jpg?rand=3251

[solomon.trenton]

i dont like gimmicks and thats all those are. well that and poor design

[TheLyonsKing]

if its put in around something natural like this:
http://www.discgolfscene.com/media/18985_g.jpg

Then I like it, if its something like the one posted first.. i dont care for it... Believe hole behind tennis courts in (hornets nest i believe) is kinda in the middle... I liked it and didnt like it at the same time...

If its going to have something like that it needs to be on a hole where one can reach the basket and be able to 2 putt to be able to par really.... the one in hornets nest fits that criteria.

[vonDrehle]

Definitely don't like just a long pole. If it is on something like a big rock or a mound then I have no problem with it. If nothing natural is availalble then I think bricks should be used like out at Winthrop and be made into kind of a platform/steps.

[silverbullet]

I'm always down for a challenge :D i have only played a couple of these but i would not consider it poor course design

[tbird888]

It's not really any different than a pyramid or mound. Hopefully the designer isn't being lazy and has plans to do more with it in the future.

[chain-addicted]

Dont come down to Charlotte then folks.... you will find quite a few of those.

[JoshEpoo]

I'm not a huge fan of something as forced as that. Design a tiered green utilizing some cool terrain and set the basket on the edge if you want to create some interesting approach shots and putts.

Elevated baskets like that out in the middle of a field just force you to lay up from outside 20' if it's at all windy and you're concerned about your score.

[vonDrehle]

Dont come down to Charlotte then folks.... you will find quite a few of those.

Stan normally has the raised baskets in spots where it really adds to the course and makes you think about your shots. Not the random open hole in the middle of a field like in the first pic posted. :D

[optidiscic]

Charlotte has the most raised baskets per capita I've ever seen......I'm split on my opinion on them...they cetainly are challenging though.

[HybridZombiw]

i love sylmar's elevated pyramid

[djschnabel]

I'm not a huge fan of something as forced as that. Design a tiered green utilizing some cool terrain and set the basket on the edge if you want to create some interesting approach shots and putts.

Elevated baskets like that out in the middle of a field just force you to lay up from outside 20' if it's at all windy and you're concerned about your score.

Hole 26 at Blue Ribbon is now this, a two tiered green that challenges you to either lay up, or have the confidence to put about 8' into the air (from ground level).

If you know how to putt, or are learning, they are a great tool that can work for or against you.

[MNcyclone]

I voted yes, but in MN elevated baskets are rare. If I had to see them every round they would get annoying. The one at Morley field was kind of cool imo.

[hooked312]

Out of the three that I have seen in Ohio only one was well placed and looked legit. The other two were very forced into the course. No matter how they look I hate playing them. Not natural at all to putt straight up after parking a hole.

[MNcyclone]

I do prefer pit trap greens to elevated baskets any day. Putting DOWN 8' is just funny.

[vonDrehle]

This is my idea of a very well done raised basket. Not overly tall where you have to worry about throwing a shot straight up at it and it also turns what would be very scary putt into a terrifying putt if your up shot to the green isn't where you want it. It really makes you think about laying up that 8ft putt.

http://www.dgcoursereview.com/course_pics/587/75fcddb2.jpg

[optidiscic]

This is my idea of a very well done raised basket. Not overly tall where you have to worry about throwing a shot straight up at it and it also turns what would be very scary putt into a terrifying putt if your up shot to the green isn't where you want it. It really makes you think about laying up that 8ft putt.

http://www.dgcoursereview.com/course_pics/587/75fcddb2.jpg

and if you hit the cage and it rolls down into that ravine I'm wondering if you still think it's well done?
:popcorn:

[TheLyonsKing]

if all baskets were like this one... hahaha

http://www.dgcoursereview.com/course_pics/3701/a0d3b907.jpg

[silverbullet]

if all baskets were like this one... hahaha

http://www.dgcoursereview.com/course_pics/3701/a0d3b907.jpg

wtf that bucket is huge !!!!

[vonDrehle]

and if you hit the cage and it rolls down into that ravine I'm wondering if you still think it's well done?
:popcorn:

That is why I said you might think about laying up that 8ft putt. I think it makes a very good risk/reward shot.

[Brall]

no course around me has one that's intensional raised that i know of. i think i'd be fine with it. i vote yes.

[optidiscic]

I'm really torn on my opinion....when I visited Charlotte I really blew up on these holes or ended up taking strokes to eliminate climbing in and out of ravines all day....I can't putt so I get it and realize it allows the short game maestros some revenge on long holes....I won't go as far as to call it gimicky or artificially inflating par but I do think more than a handful on a course is too much and Charlotte in my opinion has overdosed on elevated baskets....I'm sure players better than me love them although Ive read some top pros cant stand them either....maybe they cant putt either.

[Tpro]

I live in NC... I hate a love hate relationship with them Fo SHO! challenging and fun... I usually take a 3 or 7.

[Travis1010]

I didn't realize they were so controversal. I've only ever played in the charlotte area, so I thought they were pretty much normal. I like them, even though they usually cost me a stroke or two.

[thrembo]

There is only one down here that I have played. I voted no because I hope it doesn't become more common, but I could handle one on occasion if done right.

[JoshEpoo]

I voted no just because the pole is so lazy in terms of design and implementation. Incorporate the basket into the landscape. If you have a crappy flat piece of land I'm not going to come to the course just because you put your basket on a pole.

In competitive play it just makes for less exciting putting.

[pchitti]

My only prob with baskets like the OP, is how do the short people like me get my putter back....

Make sure I dont need a ladder and bring them on!!

[Travis1010]

I always think a short person would have trouble with hole 9 at Hornets Nest. Anyone ever measure how high that basket it?. I'm 6'5", and I have to reach up for it.

http://www.dgcoursereview.com/course_pics/176/35cb69d7.jpg

[chain-addicted]

^
One of the coolest aces I have ever seen was at on that basket. DGCR member hogleggbob threw a freakin' thumber ace into that one. It was like watchin' a full court shot.

[BrotherDave]

As a taller man I thing they're great. :D

[Travis1010]

^
One of the coolest aces I have ever seen was at on that basket. DGCR member hogleggbob threw a freakin' thumber ace into that one. It was like watchin' a full court shot.

Thats awesome! I always consider throwing a tomahawk, but instead I just throw straight into the hill usually. My brother always goes for the ace and flies way past it and gets a 5. I think thats part of the beauty of raised baskets though.

[BrotherDave]

I don't they're gimmicky at all. If you took hole #9 from Hornet's Nest for example, if that was NOT a raised basket, it would be easier than hell. Raised baskets spice up the game, kind of like, uh, adult toys. :|

[chain-addicted]

Thats awesome! I always consider throwing a tomahawk, but instead I just throw straight into the hill usually. My brother always goes for the ace and flies way past it and gets a 5. I think thats part of the beauty of raised baskets though.

I usually just try to lay it up there near the basket off of the tee. I never try go for an ace on that basket, cuz if I try that I know I will end up carding a 5 or worse:\....:o

[chain-addicted]

....Raised baskets spice up the game, kind of like, uh, adult toys. :|

Hey now, what you and Franky do on your own time is none of our bizniss.:|

[Three Putt]

Raised baskets are not very common around here. I can't think of one in Missouri off the top of my head.

My problem with raised baskets is that the majority of players lay up on them. You can take a hole where some will get a 2, some will get a 3 and some will miss going for a 2 and end up with a 4 and turn all those scores into 3's pretty easily. Raised baskets have their place, but you have to be careful with them.

There was some talk of making #18 at Lion's Club Park (http://www.dgcoursereview.com/course.php?id=3961) a raised basket because the pin sits in the open. When the course first went in I thought it was a good idea, but after a few rounds I noticed that there is a slight hill on the left and a creek on the right. People end up pin high left, go for the putt, fail to take the slight elevation into account, sail the putt on by and go OB in the creek. It happens all the time. Elevate that basket and most people will just lay up, which will make the hole easier to a certain extent. Now I think it would be a pretty bad idea to raise that basket.

[Skankin77]

Have yet to play a course with a raised basket, but I certainly don't think I'd mind it..unless it was ridiculously raised or something.

[iloqutiss1]

http://www.dgcoursereview.com/course_pics/810/82407060_m.jpg
I like this one at U.W. Parkside near Kenosha, WI.

[Skankin77]

http://www.dgcoursereview.com/course_pics/810/82407060_m.jpg
I like this one at U.W. Parkside near Kenosha, WI.

I'll have to get down there and check it out. I've only played a few courses in southeastern wisconsin, haven't really had a chance to get out around up north and down south.

[Pitty241]

In disc golf you need elevated baskets in my opinion. when you just have the same elevation there isn't really a challenge or variety in most cases take hornets nest hole 9. If that didn't have an elevated basket it would be lame and easy to sink an ace. with that elevated basket not only do you have to aim higher your perception of the basket is disoriented a bit which makes it even tougher and tougher holes are some times what you need.

[tland447]

I absolutely hate these baskets

[E-man]

For those that don't like elevated baskets, there is the Oompa Loompa basket. :D


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[pchitti]

^^^^We have one of those in Waco.

As a taller man I thing they're great. :D
Yeah I think thats why I like the low tunnel shots they have every where...

Plus I dont run into low hanging limbs... lol:thmbup:

[sidewinder22]

Dislikes discrimination against vertically challenged and typically means a layup and dunk if can reach it and not go beyond marker. This is not basketball.

[_.-Dut-._]

In disc golf you need elevated baskets in my opinion. when you just have the same elevation there isn't really a challenge or variety in most cases take hornets nest hole 9. If that didn't have an elevated basket it would be lame and easy to sink an ace. with that elevated basket not only do you have to aim higher your perception of the basket is disoriented a bit which makes it even tougher and tougher holes are some times what you need.


Hornets Nest is already a tough course, is it that bad that it has one easy hole? Also, when deciding to make a hole harder shouldnt the thought process be "We should design the hole harder" not just "eh raise the basket to free throw level, or have someone stand in front with a broom"

[Travis1010]

Putting in disc golf is 3 demensional. Why not take advantage of that and move the basket around a bit? I think it's silly that people want the basket to be the same height always.

[_.-Dut-._]

Putting in disc golf is 3 demensional. Why not take advantage of that and move the basket around a bit? I think it's silly that people want the basket to be the same height always.

Do you think that about all sports or just disc golf? I mean do you think the Lakers should sometimes play on 70' baskets instead of always that boring ten?

[Travis1010]

Do you think that about all sports or just disc golf? I mean do you think the Lakers should sometimes play on 70' baskets instead of always that boring ten?

No, because all basketball courts are the same. But golf courses and greens are all different. All ball golf holes are on different kinds of slants, which changes the putt. If all baskets were the same height, that'd be like if all greens were completely level in ball golf. Trees near the basket in disc golf do change things up as well, but theres no reason changing the height shouldn't bring us more variety.

[_.-Dut-._]

No, because all basketball courts are the same. But golf courses and greens are all different. All ball golf holes are on different kinds of slants, which changes the putt. If all baskets were the same height, that'd be like if all greens were completely level in ball golf. Trees near the basket in disc golf do change things up as well, but theres no reason changing the height shouldn't bring us more variety.

Hmm, maybe. We have different greens in Disc golf, seeing as you can place the target on natural elevations such as hills. Im often faced with uphill, downhill, putts. Not to mention often having to change putting stances.

The ball golf equivalent, would be different sized holes, or maybe elevated holes that you have to chip shot into.

Does any sport have a target that isnt uniform? Putt-putt could make an argument, but they just add windmills, even their targets are the same.

Which is more gimmicky? Raising the basket or putting a windmill in front of it?

[Travis1010]

I don't think its the same as different sized holes, because the baskets are (should be) the same size, they are just placed differently in 3d space. Thats how I think about it anyway. Maybe my opinion will change after I've played a bit longer, and played some courses away from Charlotte.

[sillybizz]

I love quirky stuff. Don't take something we have over Golf (ball) away from us - I'm talking about creativity here.

[Dave242]

Do you think that about all sports or just disc golf? I mean do you think the Lakers should sometimes play on 70' baskets instead of always that boring ten?

I think a 7x variation is way too much to make sense.....and probably hyperbole on your part.

I do think if they raised the rim in basketball to 12' it would make the game more about shooting and passing and less about muscling inside. It would make the game more like the game I play.....below the rim.

This would never happen, but it could work fine to have a 12' rim for the 1st quarter, then 10' for the 2nd, 12' for 3rd, the 10 for 4th.

[chrishysell]

I wouldn't mind them so much if everyone was required to wear clown shoes and a wig while playing them.

[_.-Dut-._]

I think a 7x variation is way too much to make sense.....and probably hyperbole on your part.

I do think if they raised the rim in basketball to 12' it would make the game more about shooting and passing and less about muscling inside. It would make the game more like the game I play.....below the rim.

This would never happen, but it could work fine to have a 12' rim for the 1st quarter, then 10' for the 2nd, 12' for 3rd, the 10 for 4th.


I just threw a number out there, yours is def. a more accurate representation. I am against basketball doing this aswell, but its nice to see someone that carries this opinon across sport lines.

[bikinjack]

I think when done properly, it's a great thing. Hole 9 at the Nest is great, in my opinion. Others that I like include 14(short) at Rankin, and 14 at Sugaw. I'm not a huge fan of 8 at the Nest or 6(?) at Sugaw. The long pin position for hole 3 at Glenn Hilton in Hickory isn't exactly elevated, but makes for a challenging green.

[klay]

Found another one at West Lake Park in Grand Junction, CO. Was surprised to find this kind of effort in an otherwise lackluster city park course.

http://www.dgcoursereview.com/course_pics/31/ae07eb02.jpg

[klay]

Oompa Loompa

The perspective and the rock pile don't do it justice but this thing is low.

http://www.dgcoursereview.com/course_pics/509/5048e306.jpg

There are a few baskets at this course (Eagle County Fairgrounds - Eagle, CO) that aren't quite regulation.

[esdubya]

Putting in disc golf is 3 dimensional. Why not take advantage of that and move the basket around a bit? I think it's silly that people want the basket to be the same height always.

Well said. Putting is in 3D so placing baskets up or down should be done in the spirit of making a hole interesting, challenging and aesthetically pleasing. (Of course this is just MY humble opinion.. ;)

http://www.discgolfscene.com/coursepictures/26527_m.jpg

[Discwrangler]

I love it. great way to make putting harder, as it should be.

[Kwick]

Well said. Putting is in 3D so placing baskets up or down should be done in the spirit of making a hole interesting, challenging and aesthetically pleasing. (Of course this is just MY humble opinion.. ;)

http://www.discgolfscene.com/coursepictures/26527_m.jpg

while this hole does look beautiful, i'm not a fan of the pin location, especially raised. it will often just lead to people throwing it on the pin instead of being able to go for it. this seems boring :(

[superberry]

Naturally elevated, not just a tall pole!

[AKormendi]

while this hole does look beautiful, i'm not a fan of the pin location, especially raised. it will often just lead to people throwing it on the pin instead of being able to go for it. this seems boring :(

The only hole in this thread I've played, you actually can run at it from most directions without too much risk. There's a decent amount of beach behind it where it's easy to end up, giving you an extremely vertical shot up the retaining wall and the picnic table. Also, it works great with the seasonal nature of the course, as it is taken out during the picnic season.

[Sunday Mike]

#15 at Moeur Park in Phoenix:
http://www.dgcoursereview.com/course_pics/505/2592d63d_m.jpg

[_.-Dut-._]

I love it. great way to make putting harder, as it should be.

Why? Whats the reasoning behind making putting harder?

For the record, I dont think raised baskets make putting harder. It just makes roll aways more often.

[Sadjo]

I like when designers use the natural landforms to make great putting. Having the risk of water hazard close to the hole, having a steep drop off near the hole or some-other obstacle that makes you think twice before going for a putt.

[optidiscic]

https://picasaweb.google.com/BradConfer/SellersvilleDGC?feat=directlink#560287746917763437 0

sits on a bank in front of stream if you go long and dont get wet the basket is actually 4 feet higher than from this angle...makes this 250 foot hole very interesting as the landing zone for most is 50-75 feet from the basket

[BradC]

https://picasaweb.google.com/BradConfer/SellersvilleDGC?feat=directlink#560287746917763437 0

sits on a bank in front of stream if you go long and dont get wet the basket is actually 4 feet higher than from this angle...makes this 250 foot hole very interesting as the landing zone for most is 50-75 feet from the basket

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_oBtI0e02Jds/TcFrX3ZfXkI/AAAAAAAAArw/u3KQZez2DxU/s800/4pin.jpg

Looks like much more of a drop in person...

[discvalet]

Thought about how to incorporate this big log into the hole design and then decided to make it the hole! The log is HEAVY and immovable and has a couple natural steps in it for those who cannot just reach in and get their disc. It took some work to get the sucker cemented into the log but it's solid. The log won't last forever but should be good for years. It's on a private course.
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-ouSQ1i5q4Mw/Td1bumQd3QI/AAAAAAAAH_c/UUjA2yuVZYE/s640/IMG_4574.JPG

[LocalsRoute]

http://www.dgcoursereview.com/course_pics/2945/e55c598b.jpg Our local elevated basket, I like the challenge.