threw the APE

[gianetics]

havent been throwing fh much, but a buddie of mine got and ape. the first time he threw it, it landed in the road 200 ft left of the tee box. So i new it is a massive meathook. so i wanted to fh it, obviously, i wanted to throw a hard anyhzer to see what it really had. i let it go at 45 degrees rhfh and it instantly wanted to come out of it. the throw looked like a huge U starting from anhyzer to flat to hyzer with alarming speed. i got it out to 350 and i can usually crush a fh throw. I dont know what this disc is usefull for but its fun to throw. on a side note it is very very nose angle sensitive, or mabey its been so long since i have throw a high speed driver. I want to see a big gun throw this for distance.

[Craton]

I can hit 440' all day long, and I can barely get my Ape 275', not counting the 4 miles it turns left (RHBH). One interesting thing I found about the ape is Tommy's. If you throw it just right on a tomahawk, it will flip over once, land straight up and down, and roll for about 80' or so. The fat lip just lets the thing roll forever.

[smarkquart]

With a ton of anhyzer and some monster height out to the left, giving it enough room as it crosses to the right and then fights back into its fade, I can pull 360-380 out of it. Trying to throw it flat I have to give it some impressive OAT in order to knock some of its HSS out of it. I can get it to fly straight for about 200 feet but its fade keeps it from getting more than 315-330 this way.

I love the Ape in my bag but it has some very specific roles and shots.

[AirMcNair]

What I have found out is that the Star stamped Apes are less over stable then the stock runs. I am getting my Star stamp one out to the 380' range but can only get the stock stamp out to 330-350 range. I have found that my ape is a very good compliment to my 1st run Boss. If there is a strong head wind I can throw the ape flat and know that it will come back. I do know one thing... this thing comes out of your hand fast and gets where it is going fast.

[Roc1Time]

JUNK.

[Roc1Time]

And if the first runs are more flippy then the production runs.....Even more junk

[Ace D]

yeah, you probably shouldn't throw an ape if you're OATing it at a 45 degree angle. chuck it hard into the wind with lots of snap... when you have a sharp dogleg to get around. otherwise it's just an unruly beast. i like the ape for doglegs but i went and apologized to my XG boss, and it took me back.

[Dave Walters]

They are actually a slightly flippy disc.

I have a 430' golf shot and when I rip mine flat the same way I throw a new champ xcal the APE turns a little right then fades back hard, when the xcal just holds straight for a while then fades.

Sorry to burst your bubble.

I do like them for my lesser powered forehand. I can throw it anny and it fights back hard for a nice line.

[gianetics]

if you can put a "slight anny on an ape fh and get a stright line on without oat i am impressed. my bh in very noodleish but i have on a good day, a great fh. i have a video showing me throw in the 430 range. also 345 up a big elevation, with my best throw 475 which would have cleared 500 it hit a tree with some speed to spare. i had a 20 ft comeback throw on a 460ft hole. might be my throw but unless i am throwing up hill i use no oat (when i get it right). i can understand bh with the added spin and distance potential. I want to see someone flip an ape on video!

[Dave Walters]

if you can put a "slight anny on an ape fh and get a stright line on without oat i am impressed. my bh in very noodleish but i have on a good day, a great fh. i have a video showing me throw in the 430 range. also 345 up a big elevation, with my best throw 475 which would have cleared 500 it hit a tree with some speed to spare. i had a 20 ft comeback throw on a 460ft hole. might be my throw but unless i am throwing up hill i use no oat (when i get it right). i can understand bh with the added spin and distance potential. I want to see someone flip an ape on video!

I didnt say My forehand is OAT free. I throw the ape slightly anny with good snap and it fights back right. I never said I throw it straight.

I never said I "flip" my ape with my forehand. I stated I flip it back hand with snap because my backhand is my main throw. I dont have the power to "flip" and ape forehand.

But is still a flippy disc when powered properly for its speed. It is not like they described or rated it.

[JamesXC]

The local pro where I am from says that it is basically a slightly faster XCal. I can't imagine what use I would have for such a thing (I can barely get a Starfire up to speed), but if you are in the market for something like that, it seems cool.

[Dave Walters]

The local pro where I am from says that it is basically a slightly faster XCal. I can't imagine what use I would have for such a thing (I can barely get a Starfire up to speed), but if you are in the market for something like that, it seems cool.

The ape was advertised as such but it is slightly straighter and less stable when powered properly.

The PD2 is supposed to be a more stable and faster xcal

My honest opinion is the ape flies like a new Champ "feldberg" boss with more LSS (more fade)

[gcr_russell]

The ape was advertised as such but it is slightly straighter and less stable when powered properly.

The PD2 is supposed to be a more stable and faster xcal

My honest opinion is the ape flies like a new Champ "feldberg" boss with more LSS (more fade)

I completely disagree. My new stock stamped Ape is a major meathook. I throw over 400 FH and BH and was throwing it into 20 mph headwinds yesterday. It would hardly flatten at all even when I would crush it. Perhaps we each need to try a few more Apes and see if its our Apes. The way you describe the Ape through this thread I find to be completely not the case for mine.

My Ape is pretty similar in stability to my PD2s.

[Dave Walters]

I completely disagree. My new stock stamped Ape is a major meathook. I throw over 400 FH and BH and was throwing it into 20 mph headwinds yesterday. It would hardly flatten at all even when I would crush it. Perhaps we each need to try a few more Apes and see if its our Apes. The way you describe the Ape through this thread I find to be completely not the case for mine.

My Ape is pretty similar in stability to my PD2s.

My ape is a day glo chartreuse not sure if that makes a difference.
Innova is inconsitent but I might try the pd2 if it is more stable.

If all else fails I will ditch them both and stick with the xcals

[gigemjonny]

I threw a Proto star stamp ape and it was a super meathook. I picked up a stock stamp ape in a trade expecting it to be way overstable but it is surprisingly straighter than what i had hoped. It throws like a faster DF boss imo. I've been getting some crazy distance out of it, about 25 to 50 feet more than my overstable destroyers. I throw RHBH 450+ btw. Also the PD2's i have thrown were more overstable.

[whiz]

I find the ape to be crazy fast, however, it is less stable than my production C-PD2. Two Innova pros I talked to described the ape as "definitely less stable" than the C-PD2. With that said, it is faster. I have flipped it into a headwind (~20mph) from a hyzer. I also watched an local pro who throws 475+ flip the ape in relatively calm weather.

[Darth Anovin]

I completely disagree. My new stock stamped Ape is a major meathook. I throw over 400 FH and BH and was throwing it into 20 mph headwinds yesterday. It would hardly flatten at all even when I would crush it. Perhaps we each need to try a few more Apes and see if its our Apes. The way you describe the Ape through this thread I find to be completely not the case for mine.

My Ape is pretty similar in stability to my PD2s.

Perhaps this just goes to show the inconsistancy with Innova discs that I keep hearing so much about.

[Darth Anovin]

If all else fails I will ditch them both and stick with the xcals

I like the way you think!

[yawpstang64]

PD2 is crazy OS - even deflashed - so I'd agree with a previous description of the Ape as a PD2-L.
I use em for FH flex and meathooks though, and the Ape is a lot more comfortable.

[discspeed]

They are actually a slightly flippy disc.

I have a 430' golf shot and when I rip mine flat the same way I throw a new champ xcal the APE turns a little right then fades back hard, when the xcal just holds straight for a while then fades.

Sorry to burst your bubble.

I do like them for my lesser powered forehand. I can throw it anny and it fights back hard for a nice line.

I agree with this. I have a 175 dayglow and it is less overstable than any of my CPD2s. I've turned it over from a flat throw into a mild headwind...It came back, but it still has high speed turn for anyone throwing with 400' of power or more. I was ripping it full power down hill into a head wind last weekend and it was getting big distance on huge S curves. Even without wind, that Ape is still a really long disc. I agree it is a lot like a DF Boss, but with less glide and more LSS.

I also have a stiffer, domier blue Ape and it is more overstable. However, it still has a very late fade if I get on it flat into any wind or if I rip it with a touch of anny.

Overall I decided the CPD2 was better for what I want out of that type of disc. The Ape is longer, but is not as consistent as an overstable performer. I think it would be a great controlled distance driver for a 500' arm, sort of like a faster Flick.

[McLeod]

My stock stamp grape Ape stays flat to slightly understable at 400ft in a headwind, but then in it's last 50ft it has a nice fade that brings it back pretty quickly. To me, it flies the way I always wished a Boss would.
The C-PD2 (CFR) I have in the bag is ridiculously more overstable and only a touch slower. I'm dissapointed that the Ape isn't as meaty as it was hyped, but I'm liking that I can have both it and the C-PD2 in the bag without a ton of overlap.

[MikePinchico]

I threw my buddies yesterday and I was very impressed on the hyzer lines done by the ape. I was so impressed that I picked one up today. I got two birdies with it at Orangevale this morning.

[Hippy]

JUNK.

YEp~!!!!!! True dat!!!!