Courses that make you relieved you shot 8 over

[New013]

Basically just post courses where you shoot way over and feel like you had a solid round; and left grateful you had all of your discs still.

My example is Leigh Farms because I played from the Advanced Gold tees for the first time today and every basket was in the long position. I finished up with a 68 (7+) and honestly I felt happy to get that. It took some insanely skilled (lucky) second shots out of deep woods to keep me close to par on some holes.

4 for instance has some of the thickest stuff I've ever seen on a course right next to the fairway (road). I felt like an idiot for going in it because my first drive went about 350 and landed right off the road. I threw my wraith next for kicks, I kinda tripped up and ended up throwing my wraith extremely nose up so it just went right in to the crazy stuff. took me a good 20 minutes to find it.

7 requires you to play up on a mound. if you miss the fairway and mound you end up on the side of the mound which is crazy unstable terrain covered in crazy long grass. Luckily my disc was easy to spot.

On 9 I threw my tee shot off to the right in to the woods, I played out and back on to the mound and couldn't find my disc for a bit.

A good number of the wooded holes have random trees sprinkled in the fairway, its honestly a matter of luck for anyone who isn't amazingly accurate. It's like DB's on steroids in some spots.

I know the course is a work in progress but the place could use a serious makeover in that some underbrush could be cleared out. I might hit the peoples up running it and ask when the next time they are going out and working on it.

Having said all of that I think the layout is pretty well devised for the advanced tees. The Rec course is just bad and dangerous because people on either of the courses could easily smack you with a disc while you're out there. The advanced course is a real challenge though, it humbled me.

[djschnabel]

Shot a couple down at Blue Ribbon Pines (http://www.dgcoursereview.com/course.php?id=1022) a few weeks ago. I still get excited whenever I'm within 3-5 of par.

[MopMan]

Nockamixon. I usually shoot around 90 there--that's 24 over par. If I shot a 74 I'd be thrilled.

[New013]

Nockamixon is an insane name for a course. DGCR has the average score at 85... 21 over. Holy Crap I think that course takes the cake. Anyone have any courses where the average score is more than 21 over. I wish the search field would allow you to search for average score.

[chain-addicted]

Nevin Park here in the QC.

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[BogeyNoMore]

The Toboggan... it's a humbling experience. I'd be very happy to leave with all my discs and 8 up for the round.

8 over on Leviathan from the longs - hell that's a pretty good round .

[Jeasy13]

Every course Ive ever played


Seriously though, WilCo in Leander, TX.
Played it for the first time on Monday, and I wish it was my home course because my game would be so much better. 600ft blind teeshots through some of the most dense woods, left to right all day. Here's a quick summary of that round. First shot - Thwack. Second shot - thwack into the woods. Third shot - thumb roller 30 feet back into the fairway. 4th shot - thwack, but at least I made it within 200 feet. 2 putt. Repeat x18. Add 2 for the longer holes.

[SmoothSailor]

Moraine state park in portersville pa. The course has 3 sets of tees, white, blue and gold. Even from the white tees, I'm happy to shoot less than 10 over.

[sidewinder22]

Average score here can be quite skewed if the same kid keeps entering high scores. The best way to measure course difficulty is SSA, and that award would go to Iron Hill, DE. I was happy with 30 over when I played it a few years ago. It makes calling everything par 3 ridiculous when the top pros average 72 or par 4.

[optidiscic]

What's crazier about Nockamixon is that the scoreboard stats include many entries when it was just 14 holes and a few walk off incomplete rounds. My best there was an 8 over 75 when it was a par 67. It's longer now and a 68. Tonight at doubles me and partner finished even at 68. I think the 3 courses would have to be Nocky , Nevin , and Iron Hill.

[vonDrehle]

Nevin Park here in the QC.

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Agreed. You stay in single digits you get a bat on the back!

[New013]

its funny how when you look up moraine st park and the stats...

the white tee scores are on average more over par than the blue tee scores and the blue tee scores are on average more over par than the gold tee scores

[RUSSELL]

Idlewild
http://www.dgcoursereview.com/course.php?id=507

one of these days i'll post a +8. yeah, right...

[New013]

Average score here can be quite skewed if the same kid keeps entering high scores. The best way to measure course difficulty is SSA, and that award would go to Iron Hill, DE. I was happy with 30 over when I played it a few years ago. It makes calling everything par 3 ridiculous when the top pros average 72 or par 4.

Cedar Hill in Nashville is another course where it feels insane to have all the holes at par 3... no I don't want to start another "lets argue about if its better to play all holes as 3's discussion".. i'm just saying when you play some of the long pin positions you are like... 3 shots.. really.. really?

[Jivecody]

for where I am, happy to get par at brown deer in Milwaukee. http://www.dgcoursereview.com/course.php?id=1042

[GLong]

The best way to measure course difficulty is SSA, and that award would go to Iron Hill, DE. I was happy with 30 over when I played it a few years ago. It makes calling everything par 3 ridiculous when the top pros average 72 or par 4.

exactly. it is a beast. but i feel like it's a very fair course.

I shot a 95 or 96 when i played there for the first time last fall. granted, it was a day after i had played a tournament and slept on someone's couch. not feeling the freshest.

I went back in april and shot an 80 and it didn't feel amazing or anything at the time. i had two double bogeys, five bogeys, and a miracle 150ft. upshot that skipped off a huge rock (hole 12) and gave me the only birdie of the day. but it was definitely the best 8 over I've shot. Playing courses like that makes you look at all other courses differently.

[bikinjack]

Of the courses I've played more than once, for my skill level Nevin, Renny Gold, The Web, WR Jackson, and Stoney Hill all fit this bill. Even Stankin' Rankin (all the long tees and pin placements) feels good for me to shoot +8. Playing the long tees at Va-Du-Mar fall into this category, too. The Angry Beaver (Elon long) is another. Many of the courses around here, if not most, I would feel good to shoot 8 over par.

[New013]

maybe i should change the name of this thread to.. 20 over and skipping

[jsun3thousand]

blue valley.

[Travis1010]

I wish I could shoot a +8 at Nevin. +8 is my best score at the Angry Beaver, but I play that a lot.

[dlognittam]

Yeah if I shoot a +8 at Nevin I'm taking out a full page ad in the newspaper for that shizz.

[CwAlbino]

The only course that I've found that I can't get close to par or under on regularly is McHose Park in Boone, Iowa. (http://www.dgcoursereview.com/course.php?id=2407)

Right in the reviews from a local pro

Other Thoughts: If polished, this would be one of my favorite courses. Nobody has shot 54 or better yet, but it's there.

[notBOB]

blackhawk in tulsa playing as par 54. sometimes i wish i had a gun on that course to end the torture.

[AirMcNair]

Ozark Mtn! Dave MaCs personal play ground. Was really happy 1st round with a 3 over 75 then 2nd round was happier with a 81 +9. I was tired and it is long.

[AirMcNair]

Cedar Hill in Nashville is another course where it feels insane to have all the holes at par 3... no I don't want to start another "lets argue about if its better to play all holes as 3's discussion".. i'm just saying when you play some of the long pin positions you are like... 3 shots.. really.. really?

O its not that bad haha. But it is for certain holes in the long. Holes 2, 7, 10, 15, and 18 all could be par 4s.

[bradharris]

Maple Hill Gold

[TheWCG]

8 over on Leviathan from the longs - hell that's a pretty good round .

I did that playing doubles with Juke..:\ Playing the Pro tees at West Lake Park is pretty tough. It slapped me in the face the first time I played it. with +40mph winds...
West Lake Park
http://www.dgcoursereview.com/course.php?id=2418

[medicinalfunk]

i shot a 59 at wildcat bluff once and was very proud of myself

I did that playing doubles with Juke..:\ Playing the Pro tees at West Lake Park is pretty tough. It slapped me in the face the first time I played it. with +40mph winds...
West Lake Park
http://www.dgcoursereview.com/course.php?id=2418

that course is for big dogs, for sure. not for the faint of arm

[medicinalfunk]

i shot a 59 at wildcat bluff once and was very proud of myself



that course is for big dogs, for sure. not for the faint of arm

5 over par course par rather, so i think thats like a 68 or 69 or something

[Countchunkula]

West Lake Park, Quad Cities

[djschnabel]

Hidden Lake (http://www.dgcoursereview.com/course.php?id=3382)

Reminds me of Blue Ribbon Pines in it's infancy. At a tourney this spring, winner shot +20 over two rounds, Kyle Pinkman, 1000+ rated player.

[mashnut]

Some of my favorites in the really long and tough category are West Lake, Leviathan, Nevin, and Lemon Lake Gold, all courses where anything near par is great for me.

[Dave242]

None. 8 over basically means bogeying half the holes and getting no birdies. I would never feel relieved playing like that......unless there were winds over 30mph.

[bergdawg]

The only course that I've found that I can't get close to par or under on regularly is McHose Park in Boone, Iowa. (http://www.dgcoursereview.com/course.php?id=2407)

Right in the reviews from a local pro

Toughest course no one's ever played.

[New013]

O its not that bad haha. But it is for certain holes in the long. Holes 2, 7, 10, 15, and 18 all could be par 4s.

It wears on you. When you see 500+ and par 3 it makes you feel like you have to rip your first shot. Although on the other hand I did hit 18 in 3 when it was at 580.

[New013]

Ozark Mtn! Dave MaCs personal play ground. Was really happy 1st round with a 3 over 75 then 2nd round was happier with a 81 +9. I was tired and it is long.

Wheres ozark mtn?

[Chiefstang]

Moraine state park in portersville pa. The course has 3 sets of tees, white, blue and gold. Even from the white tees, I'm happy to shoot less than 10 over.


Meant to ask you how you liked that one.

From what I've played, it would be Black Diamond at Emery Park in Buffalo, NY. Even set a a par 70, it will crush you from the gold tees. Hole one is an 1100 ft. hole, and it doesn't ease up from there.

[swellerdiscgolf]

Played Nockamixon myself last summer. Great course but it is extremly hard for some reason. Holes are long, but not unreachable in 3 or 4, it's just......I don't know. You have to play it to understand.

[atay87]

I shot a +8 at Flyboy (103 on a par 95) last weekend and felt like I had a decent round. But Kelly played with us and showed us all up with an 83.

[BraveThrower43]

Yeah if I shoot a +8 at Nevin I'm taking out a full page ad in the newspaper for that shizz.

agreed I think that Nevin is about the toughest track I have played. Made me not want to play the game anymore

[optidiscic]

Played Nockamixon myself last summer. Great course but it is extremly hard for some reason. Holes are long, but not unreachable in 3 or 4, it's just......I don't know. You have to play it to understand.

hahahaha perfect sentiment...it's like every hole you think I can par this no problem and then it has a way of exposing your mistakes......I am sure that 99% of the members on this site would ever throw par at Nocky....its a humbling experience

[optidiscic]

SmoothSailor also played Nockamixon and Nevin I think he can relate to be happy to throw within 8 of par

[DavidSauls]

Par the course by all-par-3s?

I can't do that in my own yard!

[Razor]

Sontag Disc Golf Course, Franklin Co., VA.

I consistently shoot 5-10 over and leave that place feeling pretty good most of the time and this is from the whites @ 7210/65. Blues and the toughest I've ever played @ 8745ft/65.

Sontag Open July 2 & 3 ............. 2rds sat.(whites & blues) 2 rds sun.(reds & whites) Come on out if you think you can handle it.

[Gonnagal]

I just looked at the pictures of Nevin. W O W !!!! That course isn't even fair, honestly I don't know how a pro would even score under par here. 685' Par4 through insanely long tight wooded fairways is for the birds! Oh, and not to mention baskets placement is just sickening!

In otherwords, I can't wait to get punished.

[tallpaul]

Ozark Mtn! Dave MaCs personal play ground. Was really happy 1st round with a 3 over 75 then 2nd round was happier with a 81 +9. I was tired and it is long.

I've played many of the courses mentioned in this thread; and they fit the bill; but Ozark is the king of toughness. I believe it has the toughest SSA in the world.

[deBebbler]

Idlewild
http://www.dgcoursereview.com/course.php?id=507

one of these days i'll post a +8. yeah, right...

I put up a +12 on Idlewild and I was very happy.

I was also glad I didn't find the snake that left the 2+' long shedded skin (with a diamond pattern) I found on #1 fairway. That thing must have been a monster!

[Connor Jones]

I shot a +8 at Flyboy (103 on a par 95) last weekend and felt like I had a decent round. But Kelly played with us and showed us all up with an 83.

Kelly is a seriously good golfer,plus he knows that course very well,he put up a couple under par last time I was out there I think,my first time there I shot better than the last time,and i've gotten better,depressing :(

[IHearChains]

At West Lake (Davenport IA), it is best to just count everything par 4, makes it easier to keep track of where you're at relative to par. :thmbup:

24 holes, Am tees SSA 68, Pro tees SSA 84.

Course record is in the mid-70s I think. There's four holes out there where a 3 is a legit eagle, and I feel really good about a 5 on any of those.

[tallpaul]

Scores in the 70s are quite quality for West Lake...80s not bad either! I've seen some 90s.

These same numbers are true for Ozark and it's only 18.

[mattdabbs]

Not very many courses like that in Florida. Tradewinds would be the only one I can think of that would come close. There are so many holes 400+ with ridiculous gusting winds all over the place.

[aggreen]

Basically just post courses where you shoot way over and feel like you had a solid round; and left grateful you had all of your discs still.

My example is Leigh Farms because I played from the Advanced Gold tees for the first time today and every basket was in the long position. I finished up with a 68 (7+) and honestly I felt happy to get that. It took some insanely skilled (lucky) second shots out of deep woods to keep me close to par on some holes.

Yup, in the Raleigh area, Leigh Farm golds is the killer - especially now when the pins are in the long/long position. I think the lowest score on the advanced is 62, but that was before the redesign of some holes. A 68 on gold (and long/long) is very impressive. I would also put Valley Springs Park (http://www.dgcoursereview.com/course.php?id=1959) blue tees in this category.

[magictenor1]

I shot +12 at Gateway west in FW and the other 2 guys I was playing with were both well into the 20's so I felt pretty good about that score. Gnarly woods and long holes and not all listed as par 3. Several 4's and 5's. that was a couple of years ago and the course was new so if they have cleared some of the undergrowth it could be a little easier now.

[AdamH]

If par is marked properly, I've never been relieved or even remotely happy shooting +8.

[lazy42]

Going with West Lake (http://www.dgcoursereview.com/course.php?id=2418&mode=ci) also. This course is a beast. I played from the red (AM) tees and still shot a 91. I am really surprised the rating for the course isn't much higher either.

[GLong]

does 7 over count?? Shot a 61 at Blockhouse - Darkside this week the second time I played it. That felt pretty good, especially considering I dropped a 72 the day before first time through.

[biscoe]

darkside= par 56 (holes 2 and 7 are most definitely 4's)

i agree with the idea that i'm never going to be happy shooting 8 over with holes being assigned appropriate pars. if you're playing the "all par 3" nonsense then there are tons of course where i'd be happy to shoot 62.

[MikePinchico]

Hart Park the suicide flats course, Bakersfield, CA. I swear a majority of the holes I threw my longest disc twice to get to the pins. Even the short holes are difficult. Nice park, fun to play, but a really long course.

[GLong]

darkside= par 56 (holes 2 and 7 are most definitely 4's)

i agree with the idea that i'm never going to be happy shooting 8 over with holes being assigned appropriate pars. if you're playing the "all par 3" nonsense then there are tons of course where i'd be happy to shoot 62.

do those holes average closer to 4 per SSA? They are tough for sure but wasn't sure if they were legit par 4's. I played it with a good Adv player and his drives were 50-60' from the pin on both.

[biscoe]

since ssa is calculated by round score rather than hole score it's hard to tell.

your playing partner nailed both of the drives but that is not a common occurence even among top shelf players. my guess is he would be unlikely to replicate both in a given round.

i have played them both many times with a wide variety of players and have only seen a handful of two's on them combined and many many 5's or worse.

[rshrevo]

Fallsburg Park in Lowell Michigan. is a course where I would be happy to only be 8 over par. I am always extremely happy to get past hole 16 without losing a disc on that hole alone.

[newhuck]

I would say the toughest ones I have played seem to be mostly designed by Stan McDaniel and friends. It doesn't help that I am usually only in NC for 1-3 weeks a year, but those courses just kick my butt. Stumpy Creek is the closest course to my parents, 5 minutes away and I think one of the most brutal in terms of needing to make it through the trees. I don't typically keep score, but if I did 8+ would make me very happy, realistically it would be somewhere in double digits above par. I really do enjoy all the courses that I have played in NC, makes So Cal seem like miniature golf sometimes.

[tmahan]

Toughest tracks I've played are probably the two Paw Paw courses (Woodshed and Whipping Post) and the Patapsco Green Monster layout. I'd be delighted with a 62 at Hawk Hollow too. ;) Realistically breaking 70 would be great.

[woodcutter]

hahahaha perfect sentiment...it's like every hole you think I can par this no problem and then it has a way of exposing your mistakes......I am sure that 99% of the members on this site would ever throw par at Nocky....its a humbling experience

Played Nocky last year, dont remember my score but it was a good time. French Creek grindes my gears.

[GripEnemyS2K]

Played Nocky last year, dont remember my score but it was a good time. French Creek grindes my gears.

french creek is a pain in the ass lol...very technical, and very unforgiving.

[wolito]

I shot +12 at Gateway west in FW and the other 2 guys I was playing with were both well into the 20's so I felt pretty good about that score. Gnarly woods and long holes and not all listed as par 3. Several 4's and 5's. that was a couple of years ago and the course was new so if they have cleared some of the undergrowth it could be a little easier now.

I would have to agree with that. I played it about 2 years ago and it was very difficult, not cleared out much as all.

[CwAlbino]

I played West Lake today and after this thread I was expecting something extremely challenging. Kinda let me down actually :( If par is really 93 then I took an 11 down and left some shots out there. Wasn't really impressed with it either.

[MrFixIt]

Jim Warner Memorial at the IDGC...
North Ga Canopy Tours...
Indian Creek Park, Morgan Co, GA...
just to name a few :gross:

[slicemaster]

East Metro in Manor TX. It is a sum-um-a-bitch but awesome course. Play from the blue and your in for a challenging time especially if there is water in the creek. Still my favorite course in the area though

[ZMan44]

I played West Lake today and after this thread I was expecting something extremely challenging. Kinda let me down actually :( If par is really 93 then I took an 11 down and left some shots out there. Wasn't really impressed with it either.

I completely agree. I didn't find it to be very tough at all...and I'm not really very good. Hole 20 was the only "tight" hole on the course...and it was not well-designed. Other than that, the levee hole is the only really difficult hole at West Lake.

[TheWCG]

I played West Lake today and after this thread I was expecting something extremely challenging. Kinda let me down actually :( If par is really 93 then I took an 11 down and left some shots out there. Wasn't really impressed with it either.

From the longs?!? Then again I played it in the upper 40's (temp) with 40+mph winds. I definitely had a different outlook..:|

[LakeBodom397]

Black Diamond near Buffalo, NY. Play from the golds and its like 10,000 feet.

[prerube]

What's crazier about Nockamixon is that the scoreboard stats include many entries when it was just 14 holes and a few walk off incomplete rounds. My best there was an 8 over 75 when it was a par 67. It's longer now and a 68. Tonight at doubles me and partner finished even at 68. I think the 3 courses would have to be Nocky , Nevin , and Iron Hill.

The thread could have ended here, you nailed it.

[optidiscic]

The thread could have ended here, you nailed it.

yeah I'm afraid those who havent played that trinity of courses have no idea....Id also add that of the Nockamixon scorebook avg of 85 which is 17 over par that the first few pages are when the course was 14 holes....there are many walk off rounds....and a slew of doubles rounds scores. All of that just speaks to the difficulty of that course. Course record is 58 or 59 during World's Play in 2005. So its never sniffed a 54 for those everything is a par 3 crowd.
Nevin is the only North Carolina course I felt matched Nocky for difficulty. Oh and theres really nothing more difficult than Iron Hill...almost too hard to be enjoyable...my best days I hope to score in the 80s there.

[CwAlbino]

From the longs?!? Then again I played it in the upper 40's (temp) with 40+mph winds. I definitely had a different outlook..:|

Yes, from longs. 40+ mph winds woulda made a huge difference, it was relatively calm and hot.

[TheStray]

I second Fallasburg Park but down here in Bryan Ohio I would have to say Recreation Park is a b**ch. The guy that designed it can't even shoot an even on it, I think his best is a +2 and he's an Am1 player. I can only shoot +20 on it (which isn't saying a whole lot). The park is overly protective of anything that isn't disc golf so of course every single soccer field and baseball field that the entire course is weaved between is OB. Pretty much the thing that is the most challenging is that you pretty much have to bring a completely different loadout to this course. If you're used to your typical 40' to 50' fairways with dense autumn olive on each side with an open canopy in the fairway then this will be completely frustrating for you. There is hardly any open flyways in the first nine. There are some lines but it's about the same as standing 20 feet from your house, opening two windows on each side and trying to throw through each window about 200 feet.

[illuminatefreak]

Parma (in Parma NY) is pretty brutal. I'm relatively new to the sport (started last fall), but that course ate me up and spit me out. Shot a 73 my first time through. Was averaging 68 or so on Ellison.

[Guru10]

austin ridge bible church in atx. that course makes me happy and mad. its a bittersweet relationship.

[Ryan P.]

The Long tees at Elk Creek DGC in Appamattox, VA. I heard this course described as the "woodiest course in America" after a guy played from the medium tees. Some holes from the Longs aren't insane, but if they aren't, they're easily in the hard category. Some are in the insane difficulty category even for a Pro. There's one hole, 7 i believe, that is a U-shaped, 413 foot, uphill hole, and the first 200' of the fairway are about 8' wide.

I played from these the first time I played the course and swore I would never play them again. That was 4 years ago. I haven't played em since.

[silverbullet]

horseshoe canyon ranch in jasper, Arkansas. :D very tough and long course. (bring your hiking shoes). i have asked around multiple times and no one can even come up with an answer on what the course par really is. i know when i played the icebowl there i bought max mulligans and still came out with a 72 o.O

[KAK3990]

Im not real big on keeping score unless im playing with others or in a tourney, but everytime I play Pinchot State Park-Quaker's Challenge (http://www.dgcoursereview.com/course.php?id=2315) I kick myself for not going across the lake and playing Pinchot State Park-Boulder Woods (http://www.dgcoursereview.com/course.php?id=233&mode=ci)

It'll beat you up right off the bat, but at least you know what your getting yourself into right away

[Dsplayname]

I shot more than 8 over(if all par 3s) at White Oak today. It was 103 degrees, stale air, and humid. I hadn't played in a couple weeks either.