Random fieldwork footage

[JoshEpoo]

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First, I have a bad camera and my skills as a videographer/editor are non-existant.

The throws:

Orc, low hyzer flip, felt good
Orc; low hyzer flip, felt ok
thrashed Pred; flat high turnover, came through late/fell backwards
Nuke; nose up hyzer suckage
Destroyer; poppy top super stable, hyzer, felt meh
Teebird; little late, tugged right a bit, kind of sucked
beat Eagle-L; roller
Eagle-X; big flex, felt the best of all the shots
Teebird; flex, felt good
Meteor; flat turnover, came through late and tugged right a lil but felt ok
beat Stingray; roller, longest shot of them all!

The shots were thrown with about 85% power since I'm in a pretty narrow field with a playground on one side and a road on the other. I'm really trying to work on controlling the shots with my body and exploding my hips and shoulders open once the disc gets up to the power zone. Still feel like there is a lot of room for improvement in my balance and harnessing the power in my core with better timing.

Will probably upload some footage from a side view sometime soon.

[sidewinder22]

You're not getting weight forward and your rotation is very wide(not rotating on a tight axis) because of your footwork and losing power. It may work ok for annys and rollers, but flat and hyzers I'm guessing are not as accurate and tend to flip and nose up. You are not stepping toward the target, but toward the left side teepad too far. I'd prefer to see at least a straight on runup for hyzer throws or better left to right for pure hyzer. It looks like you adjusted your feet positions to possibly either counter early shoulder griplock or not getting weight forward. Brinster probably has the closest footwork to you but he still gets his front leg far more forward, and its pretty obvious to see the differences in the body positioning throughout the throw and followthrough. Katchz also has a very left to right runup, but his plant step is forward and gets his weight forward.
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PS - WTH is the chirping...was a cricket the videographer?

[JoshEpoo]

The chirping is the auto-focus on the stupid camera [which obviously doesn't work that well]. It's the first video I've recorded and/or uploaded on youtube and I'm a complete novice. I noticed the need to tighten up the rotation too. That's part of my goal with controlling the shot with my body and stopping my lower body's momentum when I pivot.

I injured my right hip two years ago and have been working through a really long rehab process to get flexibility and strength in it, my right glute, and lower core muscles, which is why I developed the off angle run up. Playing tons of disc during the rehab re-enforced the bad habits. Prolly make a video of some pure hyzer tomorrow and work on a straighter run up.

[garublador]

I don't have anything new to say, but it surprised the heck out of me when you ended up throwing to the right of that shed rather than to the left. It looks like you're getting to the power zone before your shoulder gets pointed at the target, which is weird. It's usually that people don't get the disc to their right pec until after their shoulders have opened.

Pause the video when you get the disc to your right pec. I'd say that your form would look pretty good if you were throwing like 60 degrees to the left of the line you're actually throwing on. It seems like fixing that run up and adjusting your timing a bit could make a pretty big difference.

[JoshEpoo]

Working on foot work, weight shift, and pivot on hyzers this morning. Threw a bunch of fairway drivers and putters.

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This video shows sort of the goal, and the reality right now. On the practice swing, my last step lines up well, shoulder drops down, my weight transfers right over my foot for a nice balanced pivot, and my arm comes through on plane. Buuut, on the throw, my front foot plants farther left than I want, my weight stays right/behind my foot [causing the aforementioned wide rotation], my torso's momentum carries forward during the pivot (I believe in golf the analogous phenomenon is called "hip slide" or "hip sway" and it's bad in golf too), shoulders come through late, and yank right some.

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From a different angle it looks like my weight slides forward on my hip during the pivot, probably because of my pivot foot being too far left. My shoulders come through late to compensate.

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Pretty much the same deal. Kind of half assed the follow through and came through low. Weight isn't getting right over my pivot foot during the hit and it messes with my shoulder plane, especially on hyzers.

On the bright side, all the hyzers were nose down and penetrated the whole flight, so I was getting bent forward at the waist more, but I still need to reprogram my brain and hips to plant my pivot foot farther right on my run up. I'll probably attack that problem by taking a smaller last step so I don't have to open my hips as far or transfer my weight over as big a distance, but get a more abrupt, balanced pivot over my heel.

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Couple random upshots with the putter...

notice anything else?

[garublador]

You may be starting your pull a bit early. It's like you're pulling and shifting at the same time rather than initiating the shift first. It would help explain the yanking right thing, too.

I agree with your strategy to take a smaller plant step.

[sidewinder22]

Can see you dropping the elbow off plane at the right pec. I'd drop the right shoulder lower on reachback and finish higher. The elbow dropping leads to shoulder opening early and right pull... like I said before it looks like you adjusted to early shoulder griplock. Avery would say you are spinning the disc rather than throwing. Can also see your front foot pivoting at the hit, which means its not a result of the hit and the release of kinetic power. Footwork is slightly better, but I'd rather see you just walking backwards on hyzer line, this will also help keep your reachback on a straight hyzer line.

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[JTacoma03]

I'm going to guess that there's a good bit of "good release, missed the line" in your thinking during rounds. I had the same problem that I see in your video - judging from your alignment at the start and your first step you drift left and then throw back right.

If you don't already - try this:

-face the target before the first step
-on the first step turn your body 90-degrees so your shoulders and hips get parallel to the target line/pull-through line before you reach back.
-focus on then letting your lead shoulder and hip "point" not only your arms but your feet as well towards the target.

If you're practicing on a teebox force yourself to start just right of center, don't start from the corner or off the box. It'll help correct the drift-and-throw-back and improve accuracy.

hope this helps :thmbup:

[JoshEpoo]

Couple more after reconsidering my foot work and weight distribution.

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Still not perfect but the right to left run up isn't as pronounced, rotation is tightened up some, shots are coming out on-line, and I'm not being carried forward as much after release. Not getting great separation between my shoulders and hips but I'm not turning my shoulders all the way back yet.

Agree on the improvement? I'm a fool? Notice anything else?

[JTacoma03]

The buzzz shots are more under control which is good for midrange game.

Not to be nitpicky - but I dunno if I'd call the buzzz shot a pure hyzer as much as it's a "stall hyzer" - meaning intentionally nose up thrown flat and it'll stall-to-fade.

The only reason I'm making this distinction here is because I think that if you want to throw power hyzers you'll need to come through your shot more as opposed to holding up your weight - or stopping your follow through on a dime - which causes the disc to get skyward. I don't know that being carried through the shot is necessarily a bad thing? But maybe that's just me...

**and it may not be a right/wrong situation here, but just different ways of throwing

[JoshEpoo]

I notice I'm dropping my elbow and following through low but that's something I've worked on in the past. I'll have to work on syncing that back up with the rest of my shot tomorrow...

[JoshEpoo]

Not to be nitpicky - but I dunno if I'd call the buzzz shot a pure hyzer as much as it's a "stall hyzer" - meaning intentionally nose up thrown flat and it'll stall-to-fade.

Yea the first one is nose up and eventually stalled. I only singled it out because of the footwork. The 2nd one was nose down and penetrated the whole flight.

I don't necessarily want to stop all momentum, but I don't want my right hip to be moving forward, or sliding in the socket, during the pivot. I had a pretty bad injury on that sucker...

[sidewinder22]

If you look at the PP vid and see where his front foot plants its almost to the right of the left leg and notice he moves left to right on hyzer line. Also notice he never gets the disc past a pure hyzer line on reachback. Its really hard to get good hip/shoulder separation on hyzer planting to the left. Planting to the right rotates the hips while the shoulders are still back.

[JTacoma03]

Yea the first one is nose up and eventually stalled. I only singled it out because of the footwork. The 2nd one was nose down and penetrated the whole flight.

I don't necessarily want to stop all momentum, but I don't want my right hip to be moving forward, or sliding in the socket, during the pivot. I had a pretty bad injury on that sucker...

I see what you're saying now - I thought you meant killing the momentum on the follow-through. Yeah definitely don't slide the hips - bad form in all iterations of golf.

[JoshEpoo]

If you look at the PP vid and see where his front foot plants its almost to the right of the left leg and notice he moves left to right on hyzer line. Also notice he never gets the disc past a pure hyzer line on reachback. Its really hard to get good hip/shoulder separation on hyzer planting to the left. Planting to the right rotates the hips while the shoulders are still back.

Yeah I notice my tendency is to plant to the left because, to do so, doesn't stretch out or put too much stress on the inner quadriceps or hip flexors on my right leg, and it's just the way my hips are used to rotating. Leg is all healed up now so, no excuses. I'll tackle that this weekend.

I notice by dropping my elbow I wasn't using my back/shoulder muscles or triceps as much as I should, throwing like a puss. Going to get my hyzer angles figured out this weekend though...

[pchitti]

You really seem to be leaning back during your throw. Try leaning just past the center of your body. Will also help the skying of the throws.

[Jbowdown]

You're a friend of Craton's and you also live in MN, don't you? Tony and I will go out and throw in the field when I make it over to NV. If you want, we could get together for some disc golf and also to work on some form if you want some handy advice.

[JoshEpoo]

I play a lot with Allen and the DGnuts guys, might even know who you are? BRP is the closest course to my house and I play a lot of east side courses. I've met Tony twice but he was working the shop last time we threw the Valley for Eastside Monday meet up and couldn't play. Weather looks pretty horrendous for the next couple days but I'll probably throw together a lil more video if there is a lull in the rain and heat. Been working with the camera a lot the past week. Pretty fun and helpful.

[Jbowdown]

I play a lot with Allen and the DGnuts guys, might even know who you are? BRP is the closest course to my house and I play a lot of east side courses. I've met Tony twice but he was working the shop last time we threw the Valley for Eastside Monday meet up and couldn't play. Weather looks pretty horrendous for the next couple days but I'll probably throw together a lil more video if there is a lull in the rain and heat. Been working with the camera a lot the past week. Pretty fun and helpful.

I first met Allen about 4 years ago playing with him during Sundog matches. He's always been an upstanding guy! I'm on the DGNuts site but I'm not nearly as active there, as I am here. Unfortunately, I've recently moved to Jordan, MN which has taken me from being a 5 year Eastsider to a now Westsider (wince). I'm usually free during the days I'm not working (they are completely random, as I'm a freelancer), and I need to make it to BRP sometime soon anyway so maybe that's a good place to meet (they do have a nice driving range).