Potential Hole - Home Course

[Countchunkula]

So you are looking at a potential hole for my home course. The road and parking lot would be OB. The target is a large plastic, cylindrical container (about 8’ tall and 4’ wide.) The red line represents the short tee shot and the yellow the long. The black line represents a fence and 165 is the distance to the target from the edge of the grass. The trees just south of the 165 on the map are low enough to restrict your shot from the short tee. I would like this to play as a par 4.

http://i1031.photobucket.com/albums/y375/CountchunkulaDG/ContainerHole.jpg



Which would make a better hole, the short or long tee? Would either make a good hole?

There is more incentive to run the target since it is so large, but OB is nearby. Longer throwers might be tempted to go for it from the short tee, but I think everyone would lay up from the long.



***Potential Safety Issues***
The cars pictured are stacked up waiting for a freight train to cross (this does not reflect the usual amount of traffic.)
After normal business hours this street is empty.
This hole would only be played at night or on weekends when the businesses are closed.

[bholy08]

short pad actually looks a lot more fun from what i can see...better to let skill be the difference maker rather than just simply distance. i thought this was crazy until reading that it will only be played after-hours

[Steve West]

Neither tee is safe.

Even if you are willing to bet your life, to throw a piece of plastic into a big fat target, don't bet others' lives, and don't ruin the life of the driver that hits a disc golfer.

I'll spell it out: Discs would land on the railroad tracks and freight trains don't run on predictable schedules. Discs would land on the road (and side roads and parking lot) and they don't make four-lane roads that are "empty". You can't control who or when will play the course. People are more likely to climb on the roof or over the fence of a closed business to get their disc. For starters.

Also, if you try to install this hole, and anything happens, they'll find this post that warned you it was unsafe (a word I don't use lightly, for that very reason).

http://stevewestdiscgolf.com/images/NONONONONO.jpg

[Countchunkula]

Neither tee is safe.

Even if you are willing to bet your life, to throw a piece of plastic into a big fat target, don't bet others' lives, and don't ruin the life of the driver that hits a disc golfer.

I'll spell it out: Discs would land on the railroad tracks and freight trains don't run on predictable schedules. Discs would land on the road (and side roads and parking lot) and they don't make four-lane roads that are "empty". You can't control who or when will play the course. People are more likely to climb on the roof or over the fence of a closed business to get their disc. For starters.

Also, if you try to install this hole, and anything happens, they'll find this post that warned you it was unsafe (a word I don't use lightly, for that very reason).


I appreciate the feedback Steve. I have read quite a few of your posts on this forum and respect your opinion. If this was a hole that anyone would be playing unsupervised I would totally agree with you. This is just a place for me and a few friends to play; it is totally unmarked and there are no permanent targets. We have previously played this from the 165 mark, but I wanted to make things more interesting. The long tee is clearly not feasible, but I think that the short is safer than you think. The idea was for the trees that start ~150' in front of the short tee, and the OB road and parking lot to force the player to layup directly behind the 165' marker and than run at the object target.
What would the spray chart look like if the players were all aiming for that landing zone?

[SomeChump]

If it's just you and two buddies, do what you want. If you're going to advertise this course to anyone else....I'd change the hole.

[ElementZ]

Yeah...crossing sidewalks/walking paths is one thing, but I've never played a hole that crosses a street, even a small one. I'd stay away from that.

[bradharris]

From the long tee you're giving yourself two landing areas. The first requires pinpoint accuracy and a 400' pull to play it in front of the trees. You'll usually end up OB going for that. The second would be to play it short behind the trees. Unless you happen to get a favorable line past the trees, the safe play is probably to lay up to the front of the grass for your third. Either way, that tee will lead to endless frustration.

The short tee is even worse because there is no safe landing zone. Paricularly if the trees force a short shot, you'll end up in the parking lot every time you go for it. The only safe shot is to lay up to the front of the grass from the tee and that's a boring shot.

[jongoff09]

I think they would both be fun to play. The long tee looks like a precise anhyzer or turnover 350-375' throw would put you between the trees and road, from there you are looking at a pretty easy up and down for 3 unless there are overhanging limbs over there to mess with the flight. The short looks like a good risk reward hole. You could try to go low and try to cross the parking lot, or you could throw a skipper onto the lot and end up to the left of it and have an up and down for 3.

I would play those holes. Looks like fun.

[chris deitzel]

looks like a bad idea to me.

[Steve West]

http://stevewestdiscgolf.com/images/FirstThrow.jpg

Here's the first throw.

I appreciate the civil response - I was worried I was too vehement.

You live in the place with more disc golf courses than anywhere else in the world! Why go off-course?

Just you and your friends, and your friends' friends, and soon it's a popular hole. Plus, it means you'll personally know the guy who was picking up his disc in the middle of the street when. . .

Set a good example and don't play it.