Can a course be put here? Is there enough room?

[Midnightbiker]

Around here there are a few Churches that have 6 holes course, because of the small amount of room, and I may have to do that here. I am wondering if I have enough room, for a small , neighborhood course , on my Church's property.

I would like to approach the Church leaders, but I need more info to back it up, so I need you guys to take a look at this and tell me what you think. If you need more info, I will supply it if I can. Here are the pics with information


Here is the satellite view of the property, the red line is the Church property

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd166/Midnightbiker/Chruchcourse1.jpg


Here are the measurements of the property from google earth

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd166/Midnightbiker/Chruchcourse4.jpg

Here are a couple of street views. I will try to get out there with my camera next Sunday and get some better pics

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd166/Midnightbiker/Churchcourse2.jpg

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd166/Midnightbiker/Churchcourse3.jpg

[Jukeshoe]

Just from a quick glance I think you've got enough room to safely install a 9 hole course, yes.

I have absolutely no experience designing courses, but just eyeballing approximate distances for a short pitch n putt style nine holer I'd say you could fit it in.

[MacDaddy]

As a member of the PDGA Course Designers Group and an designer who has experience with many shorter, rec type courses, the answer is... maybe. Make sure first that the design is safe (no crossing fairways or tee shots bombing onto the tot-lot or into the street). Play the BEST holes that are there, if that is 6, then so be it. If it is 7 or 8 or 9, whatever makes the best course for safety, good holes, good flow, it starts and stops near your parking, restrooms and water. It looks like you should be able to come up with a rasonable layout. Probably going around the property in a counter-clockwise rotation. Good luck and have fun! :hfive:

[Midnightbiker]

I was thinking of starting at the one end of the property, and finishing on the other end, and then walking across the parking lot back to hole 1. We have a course around here like that. Just an idea, I don't know. If some of you could lay out some holes , that would be great , Thanks

[DirtyMittenDG]

Without scouting the land.....

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g175/its_gotta_be_dro/humbletx.png

[DirtyMittenDG]

I used Bing maps "birds eye" satellite as well as Google maps to come up with this. From what I saw, this would be a pretty decent course.

You could even move that last basket into the trees. I just can't see a line from the satellite.

[Paulie]

Cool layout. Hole 3 is neat the way it uses the pocket in the trees and makes you go right instead of left.

I just wanted to draw lines and dots :p

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj185/Zuljins/humbletxdgc.png

[bwiese]

Is that a creek running around the outside of the property? You could bring that in play if it is on the property. You could have one hole running along side and another with the pin backed up to give a little risk vs reward.after lookoing at it a little closer it looks like you have done that. Good job

[agapedad]

As a disc golfer, and a pastor who is putting a course in at the church, I can tell you that I would not like the baskets for 5 and 7 coming towards the building. Yes, most of us that play will avoid hitting the building (most of the time), but for a church course, the desire is that new people will play it...they will hit the building a lot.

Hope you can make it work with them!

[Midnightbiker]

As a disc golfer, and a pastor who is putting a course in at the church, I can tell you that I would not like the baskets for 5 and 7 coming towards the building. Yes, most of us that play will avoid hitting the building (most of the time), but for a church course, the desire is that new people will play it...they will hit the building a lot.

Hope you can make it work with them!


Yea, I don't think throwing towards the building would work. There are some windows back there. I will try to take some pics in the next few weeks, and we can go from there. I do like the lay out.

How did you sell the idea of the course to the Church congregation ? I need to know how to sell this

[Jukeshoe]

Tell them Jesus disc golfed. :|

[Lewis]

You're looking at about 5.5 acres (according to a google maps area calculator I found online). Maybe 9 short holes would fit, but you'd be pushing it. I wouldn't be confident you can install more than 6 holes on this property safely. Be careful, and be willing to accept that a course might not work here.

[deBebbler]

There is a course I played near Marquette called Silver Creek that tried to squeeze 9 holes in an area really only fit for 5-6. Very unpleasant.

You would definitely be better served to make fewer holes and double up on tees for the sake of vareity.

And definitely make all the holes flowing away from the building. The land is so small that zigging back to hit the next tee is no big deal.

Reason for the congregation to agree:
1. Age inclusive non-contact sport
2. Inexpensive upkeep
3. Courses do not render the land unusable for other functions (when not playing)
4. Attracting young people

Good luck.

[Royal Hill]

I was thinking about MacDaddy's comment about going in a counter clockwise direction. I do think 6 holes is a noble goal, and I see the counter clockwise rationale, at least in my interpretation. Start at lower right, two "thrower" holes to get to the twelve o clock. Most shots on these two will of course be RHBH hyzers with the flightpath therefore high out over the OB creek. Pin placements would be still "on property" but not by much as I'd keep them as far from the buildings as possible for these ones. Maybe even pick the actual tee areas that force, by tree, the outside hyzer for safety. Safe safe safe.

Follow it up with a shorty, then some stacked technical shots to finish the 6 maybe in the grove near the illustrated blue dot area. As much as possible walk or lead on footpath to the danger area, then throw away from it, whether its fences, streets or parking lots. I think more longitudinally oriented flightpaths on this picture vs horizontals that could put fences or parked cars in play. Of course if a flightpath is along a fence line, it is like a magnet, but it depends on the neighbors I guess.

For most, there would be two good rips, then 4 finesse shots. Then two rips, then 4 finesse shots, cause you'd likely play it twice.

[Royal Hill]

Oh, and throw the opening event with custom stamped superclass discs, and have a "I've never thrown a frisbee before" division.

[DirtyMittenDG]

9 holes or not even worth it.....just my opinion.

Yea, I don't think throwing towards the building would work. There are some windows back there. I will try to take some pics in the next few weeks, and we can go from there. I do like the lay out....

I'll draw up with some alternate designs and see if you like them. And will make sure to stay away from the building. I just assumed from the satellite view of the structure, that there were no windows over there.

And I still believe you could comfortably fit in 9 holes there. Even if there's a couple tiny holes, it will still legitimize the course to have a traditional 9 as opposed to some random numbered practice course with all long holes.

[Midnightbiker]

I would like to have 9-holes if I can. The closest course to this area is 17 miles away, so I am trying to get something in the community, and put disc golf on the map in this area. Most of the people playing this course will be families anyway, so I don't want to make the holes to long, but short and long tees would be nice. Anything you can come up with will help, and I will try to take some pictures next week, after morning services.

[DirtyMittenDG]

Here's a similar revised version of the first one, changed for safety and dual tees. Some of the holes are pretty short but there's much shorter holes already in existence. This type of course is great for kids/families/people first learning the game. And I do think the long tees still give a decent challenge for how short they are.

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g175/its_gotta_be_dro/HumbleTexas-1.png

Hole #1
Am Tee- 140 ft.
Pro Tee- 200 ft.

Hole #2
Am Tee- 190 ft.
Pro Tee- 240 ft.

Hole #3
Am Tee- 200 ft.
Pro Tee- 260 ft.

Hole #4
Am Tee- 100 ft.
Pro Tee- 170 ft.

Hole #5
Am Tee- 125 ft.
Pro Tee- 190 ft.

Hole #6
Am Tee- 90 ft.
Pro Tee- 170 ft.

Hole #7
Am Tee- 120 ft.
Pro Tee- 160 ft.

Hole #8
Am Tee- 130 ft.
Pro Tee- 200 ft.

Hole #9
Am Tee- 140 ft.
Pro Tee- 240 ft.

Midnight, if you have any extra time you should try walking this out and see how it looks. Or try walking out the land with a design that you think could work. Thats really the best way to do it, when you can see it all in person.

[DirtyMittenDG]

Taking another look, the only possible safety issue I see would be wit hole 7's short tee. That could possible be put more straight on line with the long tee, in order to give 6's fairway a little more breathing room. And maybe even move 6's basket a little more towards where it shows 7's short tee, to insure the building has no chance of getting hit.

[Stud Muffin]

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm3/JazzyHAP/Chruchcourse1final.jpg

Can not seem to get the pic big enough, so here is a link:
http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm3/JazzyHAP/Chruchcourse1final.jpg

[DirtyMittenDG]

Taking another look, the only possible safety issue I see would be wit hole 7's short tee. That could possible be put more straight on line with the long tee, in order to give 6's fairway a little more breathing room. And maybe even move 6's basket a little more towards where it shows 7's short tee, to insure the building has no chance of getting hit.

This is what I meant- (*Fixed*)

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g175/its_gotta_be_dro/HumbleTexas-2.png

No chance of hitting building, no chance of throwing in parking lot or road, and no crossing fairways. Only a decent chance of throwing in the creek on 5,7, & 9. ;)

[agapedad]

Yea, I don't think throwing towards the building would work. There are some windows back there. I will try to take some pics in the next few weeks, and we can go from there. I do like the lay out.

How did you sell the idea of the course to the Church congregation ? I need to know how to sell this

Selling the congregation hasn't been a problem. Funding the course has been the difficulty. Of course we sit on close to 30 acres of largely un-used property, so people are thrilled with the idea of using it for something.

[srm_520]

What you need to do before anything else is contact Doug Rogers. He is designed and is responsible for Windwood, and I know you are a fan of that course. He is also their sport minister - so if anyone knows how to sell the idea it would be him. Nothing helps your cause more like another church/s explaining to your congregation how it has benefited their members and their community. He can also go over his funding ideas with you.

You can contact him through the church website. If you're really serious about this - I would say this is an integral piece before you go any further.

Yea, I don't think throwing towards the building would work. There are some windows back there. I will try to take some pics in the next few weeks, and we can go from there. I do like the lay out.

How did you sell the idea of the course to the Church congregation ? I need to know how to sell this

[srm_520]

This is what I meant- (*Fixed*)

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g175/its_gotta_be_dro/HumbleTexas-2.png

No chance of hitting building, no chance of throwing in parking lot or road, and no crossing fairways. Only a decent chance of throwing in the creek on 5,7, & 9. ;)

Now that I'm home and get the images not blocked - I do like the design layout. Short but very manageable. I would still contact Doug though and get advice on how to proceed.