Would you attempt a 300' drive over water?

[sidewinding]

I played a course this weekend and there was a hole that had you teeing off over a small lake. The pin was 400' away and the other side of the lake was 300'. Even though I can consistently throw 360' at a football field, I was afraid to attempt the 300' over water.

I was curious how many people would tee off directly over a lake if the nearest land was 300' away?

[nosajeel99]

I picked "yes" but it really depends on wind. Calm, I would attempt it and hope I don't go flippy.

[Victory33]

Nah, the disc I would use for this is the disc I wouldn't want to lose. I'll find another way around.

[IrishCreamer]

i'm sure my disc would find the bottom of the lake no matter how i played the hole so i would just go for it.

[timg]

I also picked yes and have attempted it both successfully and unsuccessfully. Usually I'll pull out an older driver that I won't mind losing and go for it.

My last time doing this was at Great Blue Heron (http://www.dgcoursereview.com/course.php?id=1323) hole #21. The conditions weren't ideal.. the water line was higher than usual (at least I believe it was) and the wind wasn't in my favor but I didn't know when I would get to play there again and didn't want to skip a hole. I'd estimate the distance at the time to be around 325'-350' to make it to the edge of the water line on the other side. I was short by 10 ft. or so.. perhaps if the wind was in my favor or if there wasn't any wind I would have made it. As is, my Wraith is sleeping with the fishes in Ohio :)

[johnt1969]

Depends. Tournament or practice round? Are there trees and things that could get you hung up or is it an open shot? Wind?

But to answer the questions. Yes... for the most part. Unless there's some reason not too.

[ERicJ]

I picked "Yes". But it depends on all the factors...

First and foremost, is there a reasonable spot to lay-up with a decent second shot that give a probable '3'?

Is the tee shot over the water a probable birdie from the resulting landing?

What's the wind doing?

Are their people on your card ahead of you to help you see what their discs do?

Check out "The LINKS":
http://www.dgcoursereview.com/course_files/2576/7e096134.jpg

See hole #3... That's a good example of where going across (and clearing) the water gives you a good chance at a '2'. Whereas laying up is safe, but almost a certain '3'. I go across the water from the tee on this hole.

But hole #2 is a different hole. For most players (top pros excluded) clearing the water from the tee will still result in a long putt and probable '3'. So in this case laying up off the tee and crossing on your second shot will still probably result in a '3'. So the risk crossing the water off the tee isn't worth it.

Tournament or not most likely wouldn't change my strategy.

ERic

[garublador]

Yeah, but I'd probably disc up, overshoot and then throw my putter into the water on the comeback.

[IrishCreamer]

Yeah, but I'd probably disc up, overshoot and then throw my putter into the water on the comeback.

lol, thats classic.

[sidewinding]

Let me clarify. The tee pad is 10' from a lake. The other side of the lake is 300'. There are no trees or elevation change. There is nowhere to lay up. You cannot go around the lake. Your choice is throw a disc 300' over the water or skip the hole.

My brother and I skipped the hole in casual play because we thought it wasn't worth losing a disc. In a tournament you have to throw or be disqualified.

[Texconsinite]

I have a really sweet retriever, so I'm honestly more afraid of long grass than lakes, because if its in the water, Ill get it back. This, in turn, causes me to fudge fewer water shots, since Im not nervous, and I rarely need to retrieve things.

Knowing you can get your disc back if it comes down to it is a VERY reassuring feeling!!!!!

[ERicJ]

Yeah, but I'd probably disc up, overshoot and then throw my putter into the water on the comeback.
That is really funny.

Let me clarify. The tee pad is 10' from a lake. The other side of the lake is 300'. There are no trees or elevation change. There is nowhere to lay up. You cannot go around the lake. Your choice is throw a disc 300' over the water or skip the hole.
That is a poorly designed hole.

[timg]

Let me clarify. The tee pad is 10' from a lake. The other side of the lake is 300'. There are no trees or elevation change. There is nowhere to lay up. You cannot go around the lake. Your choice is throw a disc 300' over the water or skip the hole.


That sounds like the hole I played at Great Blue Heron except we discovered an Amateur/Alternate tee on the other side of the water if you didn't want to risk losing a disc (after losing one of course!).

[magictenor1]

I dislike holes like that because how does a beginner or junior player play the hole. I am not a long driver and so are several guys I play with. A forced carry of 300' with no alternate route is a poorly designed hole. ( my opinion)

[ERicJ]

Pro/Am tee #1 at Westminster has a similar water clearing requirement.

[Ty9339]

it would depend on whether it was up hill or down hill, but flat or down hill i would def go for it... putting is my problem distance i have putting i need

[tomjulio]

well, I would let my friends shoot first...then base my answer off the results.
1. both friends put it in the water=NO
2. one friend makes it, another doesn't=NO
3. both make it=YES (don't want to look like a wuss)
4. if my friends use this same logic and make me go first=NO

[Jungle Tim]

Hell yeah! Every time, you cant even doubt that, if you hesitate your going in. The distance is easy it its just mental, if your afraid of loosing a disc your afraid of the hole. The hole will sense your fear and eat your disc.

I can only throw 330, but that 30ft further than i need so ill be laughing!

[aweiker06]

my answer is a definate yes no matter the conditions!! I can throw 450 feet on a consistant basis I also have a disc for extreme head winds and I won't turn also got one for tail winds and everything in between so I would do it its only a 20 dollar disc no big deal if u don't make it go big or go home and lie on the couch and wonder all day and night what would have happened if u had just played the hole like he said its all mental!!

[Marv Vega]

I'll go for it every time, there's a couple of holes that I play regularly where a 250+ ft shot is required and I've yet to put one in *knocks on wood hard*. You've gotta have faith, and the distance to do it. I also use my Dragon over the long water holes just in case.

[basmith42]

Nope..not doing it.. definately not doing it unless I have to.
That could be for tournament or not to look like a wuss.
I only drive 250-270 at this point... so, I'm short.

[PhattD]

Yeah if there is no other way around I go. Unless it's in Florida cuz I'm not fighting gators for my disc back lol. And before you floridians say they mostly leave you alone, mostly means sometimes they don't lol.

[Innovadude]

Depends on how far you can throw..I'd go for it because I can spike hyzer a mid range 300'. In a tournament that's inexcusable to have a hole that far over water with no way around. There has to be a way around though..how else do you walk to the basket?

[discinator]

I would go for it as well. That is right on the edge of my range (325-350), but that's what makes it fun. And besides all of that I have several drivers that float. If I had no possible way of making it I would probably pass.

[Donovan]

I doubt I would go for it. 2 shots to get around it instead would be the safer play. If you hit the water without hitting the far bank, you would have to either tee off again with a stroke or take a drop on the embankment on the tee side again with a stroke. The win/loss ratio, just does not seem prudent enough for me.

Plus, my distance is not suited for gutsy play. :(

[Three Putt]

I've never seen a water hole with no way around. It might be a couple extra strokes around, especially since the guys who go around usually are throwing shorter than the guys going over anyway, but there has to be some sort of alternative. You can't force people to throw a 300 ft drive, as some folks physically cannot do it.

[YonderScott]

I would have to say yes. I played here this past weekend http://www.dgcoursereview.com/course.php?id=1503 and tossed 4 in the water, got 2 of them back and left 2 out there. The guy I was playing with donated one as well.

[Innovadude]

if it was sanctioned, you could probably complain to a pdga official about it
they can't say you have to throw over the lake or be disqualified, unless there is a marked mando in the lake or something that has to be passes, like a dual mando of two poles stuck in the middle of it or something, otherwise you could throw down the path you walk to the basket on

[Rbuzz9]

This is when the avg non pro player starts looking for their least valuable driver - then realizes they left some old beat up driver out of their bag. I'm thinkin i'd go for it and hope my forehand doesnt let me down.

[Rbuzz9]

How many people keep a beater disc(s) with them for low percentage distance shots across water?

[ERicJ]

How many people keep a beater disc(s) with them for low percentage distance shots across water?
The problem I've found with old beater discs or dedicated water discs is that if you only throw them over the water and you don't do that very often then you don't get the experience of how that disc flies. So when it comes time to cross the water you're throwing a riskier disc on a risky shot. Just my $0.02.

ERic

[ZMan44]

If it is 300ft or shorter I will go for it. But 300 is the upper end of the limit. I can usually drive between 350 and 400. That may seem safe, but as was noted, discs seem to do some funny things when they get out over the water. And I love the Florida comment as I was thinking the exact same thing. In Florida...I am playing around the water and if I see a gator on land, then I am skipping the hole! I don't want to end up like the "disc-golf" version of Chubs from Happy Gilmore!

[Rbuzz9]

The problem I've found with old beater discs or dedicated water discs is that if you only throw them over the water and you don't do that very often then you don't get the experience of how that disc flies. So when it comes time to cross the water you're throwing a riskier disc on a risky shot. Just my $0.02.

ERic

that's what i would think - tho for an avg recreational player - i would think its probably always nice to have one you wouldnt care too much about losing

how about getting a dx/pro d version of a driver you can throw very well? and just using that for water? i think it sux losing a $15 disc over a $7 disc -even if you have 40 discs

but until i have more than a 10 disc bag - ill be the guy going for it with a nice disc

[garublador]

I'd actually choose a new disc in low end plastic over a beat one for a shot like that over water. New discs are much easier to replace.

[ERicJ]

I'd actually choose a new disc in low end plastic over a beat one for a shot like that over water. New discs are much easier to replace.
I know what you mean. I have yet to be able to keep an often-thrown disc in my bag long enough for it to become beat-in before I lose it. :o

[atl scott]

I would go for this shot with no reserve because I know I can clear it easily. That being said, when I was learning to play I used to get really nervous and usually either throw the correct disc for the shot really poorly or a "water disc" that really had no chance of going over anyway. I would lose a disc in the water.

Now that I can throw more accurately and farther I enjoy tough shots like this and always throw the best disc for the shot with no reserve. That gives me the best chance of the best shot and as much as I love some of my discs I have learned that it's only plastic and you can always learn to throw another disc just as well as you leraned to throw this one (what did you ever do before you had that disc??? lol).

That being said I am not a fan of not having a Rec pad or something that would give players on another level a fair chance at the hole from a different spot.

Also, I have skipped one hole that I thought was so poorly designed you had to lose a disc. Tuscawilla in Daytona has an alternate pin placement that has you landing on a 20x10 foot piece of land that is shaped like a speed bump. Basically nowhere flat to land on a tiny piece of land. If I remember correctly it is like a 300-350 ft shot. I wanted to throw it but just didn't feel like going in the water and pretty much didn't think there was much chance of going in the basket. Maybe it was someone's idea of a joke?

[prerube]

I did and I never saw my wraith again.
I was so close and splash! right into alligator infested water

[mambrose]

i can throw 270-390 but i dont risk my good plastic unless its a really close round or a tourney

[Bglo]

i would love to go for a swim in that lake to look for discs, there has to be hundreds down there!

[JimDK27]

I won't throw over 200' of water yet so it is a big no from me. I also won't be playing any tournaments yet either.

[Dave242]

Let me clarify. The tee pad is 10' from a lake. The other side of the lake is 300'. There are no trees or elevation change. There is nowhere to lay up. You cannot go around the lake. Your choice is throw a disc 300' over the water or skip the hole.

My brother and I skipped the hole in casual play because we thought it wasn't worth losing a disc. In a tournament you have to throw or be disqualified.

That is a BS rule for tournament DQs. Are you sure there is not a drop zone?

Also, if you cannot go around the lake do you have to swim? :p

Since I cannot throw close enough to a 400' pin to get a birdie putt, I would normally play safe and layup somewhere on the shore (if that were an option). I am thinking I would be in the drink 1-2 throws out of 10, so why take that risk if there is no reward?

[prerube]

I get scared throwing over 200 over water, but I thought I had popeye muscles and was throwing with the wind.

[Dave242]

when I was learning to play I used to get really nervous and usually either throw the correct disc for the shot really poorly or a "water disc" that really had no chance of going over anyway. I would lose a disc in the water

I remember those days at Cam Yards. Good times!

Oh, and I would throw a thumber skip shot.....like at the 2 minute mark of this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6q4QAWSED0c

[Disc Golf Cowboy]

well, I would let my friends shoot first...then base my answer off the results.
1. both friends put it in the water=NO
2. one friend makes it, another doesn't=NO
3. both make it=YES (don't want to look like a wuss)
4. if my friends use this same logic and make me go first=NO
Ditto

[Dave242]

For some reason Youtube is not embedding. Here's the link. Skip shot at around 2:00

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6q4QAWSED0c

[justindfpr]

Absolutely. This is why my flippy Force comes with to every unfamiliar course I play.

[craftsman]

Funny to see this thread for the first time today. I just got back from the farm at founders which has two big water holes. I don't throw big d but almost always attempt 'em. I think water is only second to elevation as far as fun goes. First one I nailed ( hole two) and it made my day, second one I lost my z wildcat :( yes it sucks to lose a disc but I'd rather lose one to the water than to the woods. I suggest ( as stated earlier) throwing a disc your familliar with. I tossed another across ( riskey I know) and nailed it- though it did not make me feel any better. I do agree that a bailout is a must.
Smack talk: with all the distance many of you claim, what's the problem? Afraid that 300ft might be measured at 12 inches per foot?!

[justindfpr]

I figure if you're iffy about throwing 300 feet over water and decide not to, you'll probably never know if you're capable of doing it. You throw a disc in the water all it does is make you want to get better so playing it safe isn't even an option. I like that you called people out on their D. ;)

[prerube]

....
Smack talk: with all the distance many of you claim, what's the problem? Afraid that 300ft might be measured at 12 inches per foot?!
I already said 200 and over scare me and I thought I was a hero to try 300 even though I did not make it.

[jhgonzo]

Hole #18 at Winter Park (http://www.dgcoursereview.com/course.php?id=2030&mode=ci) is pretty much all water from the Blue Tee: "Blue tee plays 305'. Across a pond! No elevation change. Tee to basket is 305', tee to edge of pond is 265', blue tee over to red tee is 175', or play it safe without crossing water, and throw left along the access road (you won't birdie or ace though!). Water is OB, special drop zone is road area behind the red tee. Blue tee plays entirely across water without any fairway."

The fact that there's no elevation change and the grass around the perimeter around the pond grows to about 4' above ground level really makes this hole feel even longer, since when the pond is full and the grass is high you are forced to play a somewhat higher shot. I've lost several discs to this pond, but I've also cleared it and gone DEEP into the thick woods just past the narrow landing area. I used to only use an expendable disc, but now I'm out of those after losing my last 2 on this hole.

[craftsman]

I already said 200 and over scare me and I thought I was a hero to try 300 even though I did not make it.

Not directed at you. Props to you for going for it! If you ever make it to the mitten hit me up and I'll give you a disc ( prob. a crappy innova)

[harr0140]

If I regularly threw 300+ I would, but I do not have that kind of distance yet. I tried a 200' last week but it caught a branch and went in . . . had I missed the branch it would have been fine!

[prerube]

Not directed at you. Props to you for going for it! If you ever make it to the mitten hit me up and I'll give you a disc ( prob. a crappy innova)

Make it a beat up yellow wraith and I'm in!

[Beable]

Hole 15 at Deer Lakes is over a lake. The actual water shot is only like 150 ft, but its a little less than 300 feet from the white tees. I throw from red, which is an easily makeable shot.

[craftsman]

Got a white one for you but you have to throw it over water!

[optidiscic]

The problem I've found with old beater discs or dedicated water discs is that if you only throw them over the water and you don't do that very often then you don't get the experience of how that disc flies. So when it comes time to cross the water you're throwing a riskier disc on a risky shot. Just my $0.02.

ERic

Agreed 100% also have same experience with my crappy dragon which has an affinity for diving right into the water evrytime!

[locuno1]

i said no because even if i was able to throw over 300 in the field there is always the chance you shank your drive and watch it go in the water then wonder if you will ever see that disc again

[Sho-Nuff]

If it was way down hill, maybe. Down hill throws are the only ones I can get to right at 300ft...on a good day, perfect throw. (still pretty new) Was getting some good snap yesterday, can't wait to get out to a longer coarse and let a few rip. :)

[jesus]

Replace the 3 with a 4 and I would start thinking.

[BrotherDave]

Throwing over water doesn't bother me, it's throwing beside water that scares the bejezus out of me.

[Apothecary]

go big or go home. every golfer worth his salt can throw 300' with their feet planted, easy. if you cant, go to a flat field and throw back and forth every day until you can. man up. grip it. rip it. :P

[Guurn]

No question I'd do it. It really wouldn't even be something I would consider not doing. If you can throw far enough how is it different from throwing a long drive to a tee with heavy grass, shrubs, and thorns near it.

[Daddy-O]

Heck yeah, I always go for shots like that even though my average drive is only around 325. Either way, it'll be a shot to remember.

[chain-addicted]

Heck I tried it with my star SL on hole #10 down at Cliff Stephens this past 4th of July.... I miss that disc.:(

[wolito]

I am more of a conservative player so I would probably play it short and rely on a great approach shot. Depending on how well I had been playing previously in the round though, I might just be tempted to do it.

[colodiscgolfer]

There would be zero worry in my mind throwing over water at 300 ft. Wouldn't even use a distance driver for the shot unless there was still a ways to go after the water.

[meatbones132]

I'd prob do it even though I voted only in a tournament. I get skiddish when it comes to long water shots...

I should prob start doing some stretching, and a little yoga meditation before to loosen me up.

[craftsman]

There would be zero worry in my mind throwing over water at 300 ft. Wouldn't even use a distance driver for the shot unless there was still a ways to go after the water.

Good call. My wildcat sank but my impact made it without a problem. Granted my wcat hit a small branch but the shorter driver turned out to be an easier shot.

[Omega SuperSloth]

i dont care how strong the wind is my starfire or teerex could make that easily . Id throw my main driver without worry .

[nafets8]

Learn to control a floating disc and you won't have to worry about anything except getting that disc as close to the pin as possible.
If you succeed...great.
If you fail...no lost disc, only lost ego.

[CwAlbino]

yes. I do this every day I play the IHCC course. Almost described the hole to a T

[klay]

I'm with those who have been saying "dig out an old disc and let it fly".

I'd have a hard time passing up on a challenge like that, especially since my (wide open) drives are now consistently around 350 feet.

[osbogosley]

I would make the women throw first to get a feel for the wind.

[Neophyte]

Maybe with an old disc...or a DX that I didn't really like. The risk of something going a little wrong is just too great to use the good plastic.

[DavidSauls]

This question should be rephrased as throwing over a lake that is 60 feet shorter than your max drive.

For a 400' thrower, a 300' lake is nothing. For a 250' thrower, with no options to lay up, it's bad design.

The real excitement comes when carrying a lake is roughly equal to your average drive. Do you gun it, counting on an above-average drive? (Yes, but maybe not with my best driver).

[billnchristy]

If it was 60' less than my max drive then sure, why not? If you sit there and know it is getting wet, guess what will happen?

[Technohic]

I put no but if I had a disc I was ready to lose that I could thumber or tommy; maybe, but unless it was a tourny, which I dont do, then it is likely a no.

how deep is the lake? I might be more willing if I thought I could get my Disc Diver on it.

[darktoaster]

I would go for it. On my recent trip to Wichita hole 18 at Oak Park almost meets this description. It is dead straight with things blocking layups to the left or right with a water carry of about 270-275ft with the hole being roughly 20-30 feet past the water. My friend and I cleared it safely but most less advanced players(4 in water when we played it) ended up wading waist deep through it to find their disc. I have no idea how anyone ever gets started with disc golf in that city almost every other hole on every course we played had water hazards. I would have been so angry as a beginner.

http://i32.tinypic.com/nrjat.jpg

[simpletwist]

Although I said yes, it depends on a lot of factors. Besides course conditions such as wind, trees, etc., a lot would depend on if I had a driver with me that I didn't mind losing. And it would also depend how I was playing that day. Risk/Reward.

Although I don't play in a tournaments, if I was in one and I came up to this situation, I'd be more apt to consider the benefits on this hole. Take the drop and a par or even bogey? Where am I in the standings if I even know. Are there other holes where I can make up the extra throws? Lot's to consider.

[skinner21]

in a word - no. My best throws can barely top 300-325. so the risk would not be worth it.

[prerube]

water makes me nervous, but
Throwing beside a highway scares the bejesus out of me

[JR Stengele]

If it is from a tee and there is little to no wind then yes. If the wind is terrible or it is raining tough then I might still do it but it would be more questionable. Sounds like a crazy hole though.

[craigd]

If it was 60' less than my max drive then sure, why not? If you sit there and know it is getting wet, guess what will happen?

www.dgcoursereview.com/view_image.php?p=course_pics/3126/84f19a3a.jpg


Hey Bill, does this look familiar? :p

[The Hammer]

Piece of cake. My home course has multiple holes similar to this. People get way to pysched out around water. Just pretend its not there and take your deuce.

[waynewf]

I've got water issues and I know it's completely mental...but unless I had to and I had an extra Surge SS on me....no way I'd try it...

[superberry]

Of course, it;s just psychological. Water means wide open air above it.

http://www.dgcoursereview.com/gallery.php?id=2030&mode=gal&view=&hole=&page=3#
Here is the last hole at Winter Park in Kewaunee. I designed it this way for an Advanced Am player to almost always be able to easily reach it, minus the psychological issue. But if you want to lay up and not accept the reward for taking the risk, you can play all dry to the left and around, but you will NOT deuce and probably not par. Also, assuming most players are RHBH and discs fade left at the end, I chose this diagonal direction, such that a less than perfect shot which fades too much, will have less distance required to clear the water (only 150' across directly to the left).

[Mr Mirth]

Hole #8 (http://www.dgcoursereview.com/gallery.php?id=2486&mode=gal#) at Madisonville City is quite the mental challenge, being 410' to the pin and about ~350' to land.

Yes, I've been wet ... more than once.

:D

[coast2coast]

Go for it. Or go practice till you work up the guts to go for it.

[billnchristy]

Hey Bill, does this look familiar?

BTW Mr. 80' that hole is 330' and is almost all water save maybe 50 or so...

:p

RIP Floridian Archangel.

[Roc1Time]

Yes I would

[wallace]

I can throw 320-370. I can't imagine getting there with a disc I didnt mind sacrificing. I consider myself a go for it player though, so I'd probably try. In my experience using crap discs that don't perform anymore will end up almost immediately in the water. If I just use my good plastic that i'm used to throwing i can usually make it.

eh, but talk is cheap. wouldnt know till i was on the tee staring over it feeling the wind and pondering how much i wanna hold on to my premium plastic.

[Nick C]

I wouldn't even think twice about it

[pokamitch]

I do all the time at youth park. 295 ft of water

[crawdad62]

The problem I've found with old beater discs or dedicated water discs is that if you only throw them over the water and you don't do that very often then you don't get the experience of how that disc flies. So when it comes time to cross the water you're throwing a riskier disc on a risky shot. Just my $0.02.

ERic

I see your point but when you come across a hole that you'd even consider dragging out a dedicated "loser" disc it's probably because the hole isn't going to play well for you anyway. If it were you'd get out your regular rotation disc and wing it. So I'd say and I do have a "loser" disc that I use. Am I as consistent or more important is the disc consistent? Probably not. But I haven't lost the damned thing yet!;)

That being said. I'd probably not throw at this hole in question. That's about the max I throw so I'm pretty sure I'd get wet. I might get lucky but I'm betting I'd probably get psyched out and throw it about half way across.

[DiscJunkie]

I played a course this weekend and there was a hole that had you teeing off over a small lake. The pin was 400' away and the other side of the lake was 300'. Even though I can consistently throw 360' at a football field, I was afraid to attempt the 300' over water.

I was curious how many people would tee off directly over a lake if the nearest land was 300' away?

No.
And iwouldn't play in a tourney that required such a throw.
Save that kind of stuff for an NT.

[Omega SuperSloth]

The problem I've found with old beater discs or dedicated water discs is that if you only throw them over the water and you don't do that very often then you don't get the experience of how that disc flies. So when it comes time to cross the water you're throwing a riskier disc on a risky shot. Just my $0.02.

ERic
with the exception of a tye dye , if it was only 300 id throw my best disc.

cause your right about those throw away ,dont care about discs , most of the time their so beat up or way to light and theyll just anny right into the water. I Learned that downtown playing at MO. Your better off throwing something overstable or a stable disc with alot of fade.

[giles]

Hole 9 @ Bethany Lakes in Allen TX is an estimated 300' to clear the pond at the farthest point. I tossed a putter over it last time I played it.

[thepowerofpancakes]

if you dont try you dont have a hair on your.....

[scarpfish]

Of course, it;s just psychological. Water means wide open air above it.
Not neccesarily. If trees are present along the far side of the water, they can knock your disc back in even if you have the distance to clear.

[tamahawk]

I picked "no", i am just starting to throw near 300ft on flat ground consistantly, so assuming no elevations involved, I don't think I could clear the hazard. Madisonville DGC has a hole like this, I played the alternate tee.

[discgolf757]

i voted yes, but it all would depend on the wind

[andyman]

I voted yes, but would ask to 'borrow' a disc first

[Jimb]

I voted yes, but wouldn't have done so 6 months ago. I pretty consistently over 300' now with my normal drivers and my water driver... everyone's favorite floater... The Dragon.

My regular driver is a 150g Valkyrie on non-windy days and the Dragon flies just about the same for me on the open practice field, so unless there was a headwind or some other factor, I'd be willing to wait by the pond until my Dragon floated back to me. ;)

[RHINESEL]

Nope, too early in my game right now. In fact, I just threw over water for the first time the other day. Granted they were short throws, but I threw overthrew really far... just in case.

[mcriely]

There is a hole near me that's about 400' that plays right. where there is a 50' river bordered on both sides with mature trees to hit 200' down the fairway. I don't think I've ever tried to throw it. It's a tough hole that's all luck after the first 100'. I'd say no even though I can through 325'. I know my nerves would get to me right about the time I took my steps.

[valkyrie]

Only in a tournement

[G Bud]

You bet I would!! Then I would unleash my Big Daddy Roller. It's the "walk on water" Strategy.

[thenamesben]

...I just did. Hole 18 at Winter Park in Kewaunee, WI is a 305 ft. drive over a pond. Parked the basket. Yay.

[harr0140]

...I just did. Hole 18 at Winter Park in Kewaunee, WI is a 305 ft. drive over a pond. Parked the basket. Yay.

Wow gutsy shot there Ben, I threw way left and parked my upshot for a 3 . . . I didn't have the guts to go across the pond at that angle.

[revmatty]

Well if the lake is not to deep, I'd risk the shot. Can always wade out and get it then.
Otherwise this boy drops into a lake faster then a Roc, or should I spell it rock.

[SpringDgLover]

Every other day at Northside Church hole #2.

[Jimb]

Here's the scene: Par 4 Hole #18 at The Whippin' Post in Paw Paw, WV. It's 402', about 15-20' down hill. It's 385' to clear the pond. The pin is 17' past the water. I've layed up on this hole every time I ever played it (Weenie Arm Syndrome).

2016

The conditions were jut right to go for it today: a very slight breeze coming from behind my left side. I was totally warmed up. And I had my Dragon in hand.

I absolutely ripped a hyzer flip. It was a thing of beauty. It curled a bit right of the flag and went sailing out over the pond. As it started fading back to the left I wasn't sure if it was going to clear the drink or not. And then, Bonk! Not Splash! My arms went up as if I'd scored the Super Bowl winning touchdown. The shot landed just 6-7' over the water and about 25' right of the pin.

After an incredibly average... no, crappy couple of rounds, I finally had something to cheer about. And my putt for eagle... well let's just say I made birdie. :rolleyes:

[NothinButChing]

gonna be getting wet if I did ... want to be able to throw consistently over 300' eventually

[flash86]

Go big or go home! I'm throwing for it!!!

[ERicJ]

Every other day at Northside Church hole #2.
There's water in there now?

[biscoe]

Here's the scene: Par 4 Hole #18 at The Whippin' Post in Paw Paw, WV. It's 402', about 15-20' down hill. It's 385' to clear the pond. The pin is 17' past the water. I've layed up on this hole every time I ever played it (Weenie Arm Syndrome).

2016

The conditions were jut right to go for it today: a very slight breeze coming from behind my left side. I was totally warmed up. And I had my Dragon in hand.

I absolutely ripped a hyzer flip. It was a thing of beauty. It curled a bit right of the flag and went sailing out over the pond. As it started fading back to the left I wasn't sure if it was going to clear the drink or not. And then, Bonk! Not Splash! My arms went up as if I'd scored the Super Bowl winning touchdown. The shot landed just 6-7' over the water and about 25' right of the pin.

After an incredibly average... no, crappy couple of rounds, I finally had something to cheer about. And my putt for eagle... well let's just say I made birdie. :rolleyes:

good job jimb! i have given up going for it in tournaments- i'm 60% to get over and wind up hurting myself more often than helping. no credit for missing the putt though. ;)

the skip off the dock is the play for us short-arms.:D

[Jimb]

good job jimb! i have given up going for it in tournaments- i'm 60% to get over and wind up hurting myself more often than helping. no credit for missing the putt though. ;)

the skip off the dock is the play for us short-arms.:D

Thanks man. I saw the dock skippers on the '07 WV Open Video... actually, two of the final group. That was amazing. And then I couldn't believe that Tony Ellis went in the water. He must have really made a bad throw because he's got a whole lot more distance than I do.

And I was just playing alone so there was no pressure at all. And as bad a day I had already had in general, putting one in the drink wouldn't really have mattered. An Eagle would have been nice, but I'll settle for the birdie... I have no choice!

[CwAlbino]

http://i38.tinypic.com/numi9.jpg

the hole is about 278. So not quite 300. I throw forehand for distance and I threw backhand here, this shot landed under the basket.

[RHINESEL]

Nice picture!

[CwAlbino]

Nice picture!

thanks. We were taking pictures of the course to update the site. I had no clue he was taking a picture of me throwing, he got a couple shots during windup and throw though that made me look at my form for next time I go out.

[RHINESEL]

Is that your disc right over the fountain?

[CwAlbino]

Is that your disc right over the fountain?

yes it is :)

ESP FLX surge 172 g i believe is that disc.

[Mattallica]

I did today at winthrop, and I wish you could have seen my lie, less than 3 inches from the waterline, dry.

[chuckdisc]

I would go for it as well. That is right on the edge of my range (325-350), but that's what makes it fun. And besides all of that I have several drivers that float. If I had no possible way of making it I would probably pass.

I would try with a floater...Dragon will go 300ft...

[Frank Delicious]

I voted yes since I throw that shot once a round at Cedar Hills.

[magictenor1]

I voted yes since I throw that shot once a round at Cedar Hills. cedar hills in Texas? I didn't think that shot was that long. maybe 250? I have always thrown over the water on that hole

[Midnightbiker]

This hole is #17 at Jack Brooks Park at the second course. I think its 275 over the water. I have only done it once.

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd166/Midnightbiker/e7c217c2-1.jpg

[Frank Delicious]

cedar hills in Texas? I didn't think that shot was that long. maybe 250? I have always thrown over the water on that hole

wrong cedar hills

[eegor]

Only if I use / lose someone else's disc. I just can't throw it that far.

[Donald Smith]

I picked no, mostly because it's only a rare shot that goes anywhere near 300'. The only way I would throw it is with a Dragon, and if I had a kayak to paddle out and get it, or maybe a mermaid to go get it for me...:)

Donald

[McLeod]

Most definitely yes. The only thing that would stop me is if I was injured.

[cydisc]

"Attempt"? Hell, I would skip it off the water 5 times, just to show off.

[culinarywiz]

I played a course in Albion, MI that had a 320 footer directly over a river. You had to cross a bridge to get to the other side. Hardcore hole. I was the only one that went for it out of our group.
It was one of the most exciting holes I've played.

[cydisc]

I was the only one that went for it out of our group.

The suspense is killing me...

[culinarywiz]

I parked it with a Z Force for an easy deuce.
Came in with a steady hyzer.
No doubt that added to my love for the hole.

BTW, one guy still lost a Buzzz on same hole.
He tried to play up to this side of the bank and over shot it.

[CwAlbino]

"Attempt"? Hell, I would skip it off the water 5 times, just to show off.

I love skipping them across the water :clap:

[JMONEY]

I said, "Yes". I would more than likely pull out a disc I would'nt miss if it did go in the water though.

[Jacob]

I throw a 280' water shot a lot and its a stretch for me to make it. I would definately try it though

[_.-Dut-._]

I picked yes, but in my head it was a wide open hole. If its a tunnel shot or a very low ceiling than I might choose differently.

[Fleshgordon]

risk vs reward its worth it to me. I'm going for it

[Frank Delicious]

Proposed thread name change:

Are you a man or a little girl?

[magictenor1]

wrong cedar hills Thanks for the clarification. the one in Texas has a hole just like the one described but it is not as long to clear the water.

[Apothecary]

this is one of the best "man up" holes in socal:

http://www.dgcoursereview.com/course_pics/3708/5f28dc80.jpg

small window over the water and 350+ before youre back over dry land. have to have a disc with a lot of glide dialed in to make it.

i go the girl route.:\

[billnchristy]

Looks like a tough line with that tree to the right of the tee anyways.

[Frank Delicious]

That looks like a great hole.

[Apothecary]

its the signature hole at Prado (http://www.dgcoursereview.com/reviews.php?id=3708&page=1&mode=rev#17639), socals fun new 18.

the course was open with grass tees for a few months. they kept pulling the tee on that hole back and back and back. i LOVE where they put the concrete.

[waynewf]

this is one of the best "man up" holes in socal:

http://www.dgcoursereview.com/course_pics/3708/5f28dc80.jpg

small window over the water and 350+ before youre back over dry land. have to have a disc with a lot of glide dialed in to make it.

i go the girl route.:\

Nice hole...yeah, I'd go RHFH with a Surge SS or Vision, try to just clear the water and finish with a Buzzz or Gator...maybe a Hydra:)

Oh...and get a hair cut you hippie!

[jdggna]

I would definitely loose a couple drivers before I got my drive dialed in on that one. I'd be all for taking the water route.

[Frank Delicious]

Seems like a good hole to force an overstable disc like a force or star Xcal over and let it come back.

[leppard]

Voted no because my best drives are around 325. If you had said 275' yes, but only if I had a chance at a 2. If it wasn't going to improve my score, I wouldn't risk losing a disc.

[discpicable]

Proposed thread name change:

Are you a man or a little girl?

I am a little girl.

[Frank Delicious]

I am a little girl.

PM sent

[BrotherDave]

I'm out there to play disc golf, not patty cake. Real men throw rollers across ducks.

[craftsman]

Few years younger and you would of got a kick to the head instead of a pm from frank.
They both leave you with the same feeling

[Jukeshoe]

I keep a Valk that I've been meaning to send to hell for a while now, just for such occasions.

[discpicable]

PM sent

??PM not recieved.

[Jukeshoe]

??PM not recieved.

lol!

[Apothecary]

ROFL!!!

epic.:clap:

[Frank Delicious]

??PM not recieved.

Well who did I send a picture of my penis to then???

Whoever received that picture, please let me know.

You don't have to delete it if you don't want to.

[discpicable]

Well who did I send a picture of my penis to then???

Whoever received that picture, please let me know.

You don't have to delete it if you don't want to.

Please resend.

[Frank Delicious]

Please resend.

resent:

Here is a drawing of it (actually size) just in case:

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[Jukeshoe]

Please resend.

lol! Oh man, good times. :D

[discpicable]

resent:

Here is a drawing of it (actually size) just in case:

&=================>

At full attention or gummy worm?

[BrotherDave]

http://z.about.com/d/movies/1/G/q/O/N/heffernanbeerfest.jpg

[Frank Delicious]

At full attention or gummy worm?

It is that length at all times in all states, it's kinda a medical oddity.

[craftsman]

Haha(Nelson voice) I do forums on my phone so it's extra small!