Best mid range

[iDisc]

i need a mid-range that can be thrown similar to a driver, i was thinking of the Discraft wasp?

ive had a roc before but turned it over going for that little extra distance but when it was new it was ok but i got beaten fast. any other suggestions are appreciated

[iDisc]

no responses?

[PhattD]

The Wasp is a good choice for overstable midrange. I've also heard good things about the Whippet from Innova.

[iDisc]

k. im looking for more of a mid range. on the innova sight it says whippet is a fairway driver. but i might have to check it out

[scdg124]

I've always had a Shark in my bag for the Mid-Range Drive. When I started, I didn't have to throw it hard; the range was consistent and it went where I released it. But now I find myself really using it more for the long range putt.

[iDisc]

thanks for the input. i had a champion shark and it felt uncomfortable in my hand. i'm using star skeeters for mid range shots and approaches but im looking for some thing that i can give some effort (not 100% power but i can do my usual drive run-up) and it wont turn over on me


EDIT: WHAT GRIPS DO Y'ALL USE FOR A MID RANGE SHOT?

[PhattD]

I generally use the power grip for everything. I don't want to have to worry about what distance should I be switchin grips at. I have one grip for putss and power grip for all else.

[sfeather]

I agree with you on the feel of the Shark. It never felt quite right in my hand. My mid-to-fairway is the Innova Cobra. It is a 5,4,-2,2. Can be thrown inside or outside. Mine have become more and more stable the older they get. Unless I get a bad release, she flies nigh on straight down the fairway. The 5+4 lets you reach out a good ways as well.

[Shank]

Try an innova kite. Has a driver type rim and has good glide.

[Midnightbiker]

I use a Star Coyote as my midrange. It feels great in my hand and holds any line you put on it. Also a Panther works great.

[Donovan]

Discraft Stratus - It may not be a midrange, but I use it as one. It flies straight and can be used for longer distance if need be. I use my putter grip, forehand, and the power grip with this disc.

[Three Putt]

There are some Mids that have been mentioned such as the Kite and Panther that have a driver-like design. However all the ones I am aware of are understable, so if you didn't like the way the Roc flipped you are not going to like these at all.

The Millennium Sentinel MF is more overstable than a Roc, and the top of it is more tapered from the wing to the center of the top. It's hard to explain, but it is sort of like a driver top on a midrange bottom. So it might feel more like a driver, and it will handle more snap than a Roc. So that is what I'd recommend.

As for grips, I use a fork grip on putts and midrange shots. I spread my fingers more on a putt, but for midranges I use pretty much the classic fork grip with my last three fingers pressed together against the rim. I also use the power grip, but only on drivers. I really can't get a power grip to feel comfortable on my midrange discs.

[discinator]

I use an innova spider at times and like it pretty well. For a little bit more distance you can look at the discraft xpress. I know it is more of a fairway driver but being 0 on stability it will hold a pretty good line. If all else fails just throw that roc with a little hyzer.

[garublador]

If a Roc is turning over for you then anything you pick that will be more overstable will probably have more fade than you want. I'd recommend working with the Rocs to get them to fly right for you. Once you do that, your beat Rocs will be really straight flyers and you can use really beat ones for turnovers and new ones for when you need a fade.

[Three Putt]

If a Roc is turning over for you then anything you pick that will be more overstable will probably have more fade than you want. I'd recommend working with the Rocs to get them to fly right for you. Once you do that, your beat Rocs will be really straight flyers and you can use really beat ones for turnovers and new ones for when you need a fade.I was wondering when you would chime in. I like the fact that there is somebody on this board who will consistently say "check you form.":D

Really, he is right. I've seen every sort of shot imaginable executed with a Roc, including guys who throw them further than I can throw a driver. If it is a lighter weight you might trying to increase that to offset the "got flippy too quick" effect, or maybe you need to put some hyzer on it when you try to go deep. Otherwise you are probably just torquing it over by trying to throw it too hard. Work with them for a while and you will probably figure it out.

[Midnightbiker]

Discraft Stratus - It may not be a midrange, but I use it as one. It flies straight and can be used for longer distance if need be. I use my putter grip, forehand, and the power grip with this disc.

I do the same thing. I use my Stratus for understable midrange shots.

[garublador]

I was wondering when you would chime in. I like the fact that there is somebody on this board who will consistently say "check you form.":DI'd rather go after the root cause of a problem. It's either that or we'll recommend discs that are more overstable, he'll try them and then start wanting something with less fade and we'll recommend the Roc and start all over.

I can't blame people for not knowing it's their form being off rather than the discs that aren't working for them. There's a ton of information regarding disc choice and disc stability that makes it sound like once you start getting better that discs will start flipping over. That information seems like it's confirmed when you're able to go up in stability and that seems to fix your problem. They don't always make it clear that there are some form issues you can have that cause discs you should be able to throw either straight or on any line to turn over instead. I was very confused by it for a while and I've been super happy now that I've been fixing problems with my throw rather than looking for specific discs to fit me.

[RustyP]

Hate to beat a dead horse, but working on your form is where it's at! I remember when I picked up my first Roc...I threw it for a round, had the same problem (fluttering when I released it, then turned over right into the ground), and gave up on it. It sat in my closet over the next year while I kept playing without a mid-range disc. When I eventually took it back out for a round, I couldn't believe that I ever thought about playing without it!

Check out these Technique Repair articles on DiscGolfReview.com ( click here (http://www.discgolfreview.com/resources/technique/midproblems.shtml#tee) ). Those should help you get started...

Being able to control a stable midrange disc will help your game immensely! It's a good feeling when everyone else in your group is trying to thread their Destroyer 275' through a tightly wooded fairway, and then you step up with your Roc (or Buzzz or whatever) and throw it dead-straight right under the pin. What's even better is when you can do it with a putter :eek:

[DirtyMittenDG]

Discraft - BUZZZ

I have 2 aces with a Buzzz-D, the 2 holes were both about 150 ft. and straight on throws, in my experiance the Buzzz is the straightest flying and best mid range disc. Recently ive been using the new Buzzz FLX. But its your own opinion, you should atleast try throwing one though

[sidewinding]

Am I the only one that thinks the Skeeter is the greatest midrange ever made?

[Donovan]

Am I the only one that thinks the Skeeter is the greatest midrange ever made?

If the thread dies, don't take it as a yes bro! ;)

[SuperNovice58]

I use an Elite Z Buzz SS for my mid range. It was only made, to my knowledge, for the Worlds promotion. It fly straight and true every time. I drive with it on every hole 350ft and under. I've always been a big fan of the Ontario Roc also. If anyone has an one of the Worlds promotion Elite Z Buzz SS for sale please contact me at Florydaniel@yahoo.com.

[sidewinding]

If the thread dies, don't take it as a yes bro! ;)

I asume you have not been bit by the skeeter? Let me plead a case for the lowly skeeter.

1. Most experienced players like Rocs because they are high speed stable. Rocs have a high speed stability rating of 0. The skeeter also has a high speed stability rating of 0

2. If you throw a disc faster than it's speed rating it will turn to the right (turnover). The roc has a speed rating of 4 while the skeeter's is 5. Therefore, you can throw the skeeter harder without it turning over.

3. The Roc has a glide rating of 4 while the skeeter's is 5. The skeeter will maintain it's altitude longer.

4. The Roc has a fade of 3 while the skeeter has a fade of 1. I don't understand why anyone would want more fade at the end of a discs flight, especially on an approach.

So if you want an approach disc that goes where you want it too, get bit by the Skeeter.

[Midnightbiker]

I think the Coyote is one of the greatest midranges ever, but that is just me.:D

[JR Stengele]

Even though they stopped making it, the Champion Cobra has been the best mid-range driver I have ever used. No question.

[DannyM]

Coyote, and panthers are my mid range of choice because they are so straight, however, if you are flipping over a roc, these may be to understable for you, in that case the more stable mid ranges would be a spider, a cro, and the most stable is the gator. And there is a newer disc out, the Pig, which is a hybrid disc, a ryno top, and a gator bottom. You won't get the distance you would with a true mid range, but it is a very predictable stable disc

[iDisc]

thanks peeps i might try a gator but it has a lack of glide, but i may need to try a coyote

shank, doesn't the kite turn over? its HSS is -3

[Marv Vega]

There are a couple of midrange's that have been mentioned that I use regularly. I carry a DX Skeeter and an Elite X Buzz, both have there place in my bag. The Skeeter is more of my short approach disc, the Buzz I use for longer approaches/short drives.

The Skeeter is more of an aim and shoot disc, aim it at the target give it just a little snap, keep it low and it will go straight with little fade. Throw it with any power at all and it turns right and doesn't come back. The Buzz on the other hand will fade more on low power approaches but excels at medium range approaches when your able to get a little more power on it. It'll turn over with enough power but nearly always comes back. On these medium approaches the Buzz is very straight. The Buzz is better in the wind. Both are quality midrange discs though, just different.

[Donovan]

I do the same thing. I use my Stratus for understable midrange shots.

I find that whatever angle I release this disc at, that is the path it seems to take. I have 5 of these and they all seem to do this. The only thing that does alter from this, is if I throw it perfectly flat for short approaches it will hyzer at the end. If I put just a touch of Ani on it, it will hold a nice straight shot. Outside of that, it seems to hold the angles I throw it at. :cool:

[nygfaninva]

Am I the only one that thinks the Skeeter is the greatest midrange ever made?


I borrowed a guys Skeeter when we were playing with a group of newcomers to the game and I loaned out all my mid rages. He handed me an old Skeeter. After playing the round with it, I loved its consistency! I went home and ordered me a Skeeter on line and now use it exclusively as my mid range of choice. Couldn't agree more, The Skeeter is my favorite mid range by far.

[DannyM]

I had a skeeter in my bag for quite some time...problem is when it got slightly broken in <and it was star plastic>, if you put any power to it, it got flippy. If I backed off, it was straight as an arrow. I could have tried going up on weight, was throwing 166g, but ended up finding a brand new champ panther on my home course with no name, so I threw it just for giggles, straight.....threw it hard...straight....so the skeeter came out, panther went in. The skeeter was definately a great disc, I just needed to find what weight works for me

[justin]

idisc, I always had trouble throwing midranges for distance. They would get caught on my finger. I found one disc, the Millenium Sentinel, which worked so well b/c the rim was shallow and it just happens to be a bit faster and more overstable than a Roc so I think it will be exactly what you're looking for. This is a really great disc.

[Three Putt]

The Sentinel MF is a great disc. In combination with the Aurora MS, you would have a great midrange set-up. They compliment each other very well. Dave Dunipace has said several times that the Aurora MS is the most under appreciated disc he has ever molded, as it is a great all-around disc. The Sentinel MF is just what Justin said, it is faster and more overstable than a Roc, great for hyzer shots or into a headwind that the Aurora is nor stable enough to handle. For some reason they have never been as popular as the Roc or the Buzzz/Wasp combo, but folks still looking for a midrange set-up should check these discs out.

[iDisc]

Am I the only one that thinks the Skeeter is the greatest midrange ever made?

the skeeter is what i use but i want something that i can give more power.

i can give it a good amount of snap and power but it's on a hyzer and flies hyzer. but if i put it flat it turns over fast

[iDisc]

I had a skeeter in my bag for quite some time...problem is when it got slightly broken in <and it was star plastic>, if you put any power to it, it got flippy. If I backed off, it was straight as an arrow. I could have tried going up on weight, was throwing 166g, but ended up finding a brand new champ panther on my home course with no name, so I threw it just for giggles, straight.....threw it hard...straight....so the skeeter came out, panther went in. The skeeter was definately a great disc, I just needed to find what weight works for me


i use a 169 and a 175, but i need something overstable for longer shots. maybe i should try the spider.

i wish there was a place that let's you try out discs

[discinator]

i use a 169 and a 175, but i need something overstable for longer shots. maybe i should try the spider.

i wish there was a place that let's you try out discs

I guess I'm just lucky. I live about 2 minutes from Discnation in Austin. They let you take em for a test drive before you buy them. So I threw my spider for a while before I finally bought it. I went with Champ plastic so hopefully it won't beat in too quick. It is straight as an arrow backhand or forehand. Makes a good putter too.

[DR.M]

The midrange that i use the most is a discarft wasp. It has a big lip on it and is really overstable for a midrange. it is good for short holes up to 300 feet. Now for a more straighter midrange try the innova wolf. it will fly straight and have little hyzer at the end of its flight. The discraft Buzz flies much straighter then the wolf but won't go as far and is easy to turmn over.

[Godard]

If you're considering the spider, also check out the Pig. It's mad overstable for me, but it might be solid as a roc(k) for you.

I had been using the banshee for short hyzer shots, but the pig is now my go-to as it will curl around trees at 100-150 feet and then park, where the banshee would skip out of control.

[Three Putt]

If you're considering the spider, also check out the Pig. It's mad overstable for me, but it might be solid as a roc(k) for you.

I had been using the banshee for short hyzer shots, but the pig is now my go-to as it will curl around trees at 100-150 feet and then park, where the banshee would skip out of control.Yeah, you have to be careful of using too much disc. I've met a lot of guys who carry nothing but speed 10+ drivers and maybe a putter, and that leaves a lot of shots where they just don't have a disc to execute. They try to soft toss a long range driver and wonder why it does not work. A Banshee is way too long and fast for a 100 ft shot. It's a driver, so it will have a lot of rotation when it lands and will skip even if you are trying to short-arm it. You have to use a slower discs at shorter range. A Rhyno would be a much better disc for that shot at that distance.

[DiscChainBasket18]

I use a champ Cobra for stable to hyzer mid range shots & a champ coyote for stable to turnover shots.

[sidewinding]

the skeeter is what i use but i want something that i can give more power.

The quest t-bone in their premium plastic (I can't remember what it's called) is what you need. The t-bone is amazing. It's basically a long range skeeter. Stable but with almost no fade. Amazing glide. Will hold any line you put it on. It's "the disc that reads your mind".

It's the most versatile disc I know of because it will go as far as a destroyer and is also a great putt and approach disc.

[dangitboy]

i need a mid-range that can be thrown similar to a driver, i was thinking of the Discraft wasp?

ive had a roc before but turned it over going for that little extra distance but when it was new it was ok but i got beaten fast. any other suggestions are appreciated

The slightly beat in rocs are the best! You can get great distance with them but you may have to change the way you are throwing. It sounds as if you are overpowering them. Just throw it on a touch of hyzer with about 60-75% power and it will glide.

[ajkuck]

The Wasp is great for an overstable midrange, but if you want a disc similar to a driver, go with the Z-Plastic Buzzz. If flies true to form, has plenty of glide, and is not beaded like the Roc, so I feel that it releases smoother.

[oceancountydg]

Z Wasp or Vibram Obex. I flip all my other mids when I throw them hard...(ibex, buzzz, wolf, roc) Wasp and obex can handle snap and wind. If you want to go even more overstable try the hornet or drone but they arent very straight fliers.

[Mad Scientist]

If you already know how to throw a disc well, you can throw a Buzzz plenty far. It can take driver-level power.

[bdodson]

Warship /end

[Monkeypaws]

Warship /end

My pocketbook hopes this is true....

[BigSky]

"The best midrange" is a little vague. The best midrange is going to be stable, able to handle some power, and able to hold a hyzer, and anhyzer line.

Insert you favorite here:

Mine is the Neutron Axis.

[kutz167]

"The best midrange" is a little vague. The best midrange is going to be stable, able to handle some power, and able to hold a hyzer, and anhyzer line.

Insert you favorite here:

Mine is the Neutron Axis.

You sir just described a nicely beat in Z Buzzz.

[Kingace]

Star kite:)

[davmer2303]

The MD 2 is a great, versatile midrange, and I get a lot of use out of my gator.

[TADD]

Talk about a revival.... Wow.

[MrFixIt]

Talk about a revival.... Wow.

At least there wasn't a new thread created...

[WillA]

This will sound odd but, I have starting using my Dart as a mid range. It does a better job of holding its line than most of the real mid ranges I have tried.

[Kingace]

I feel the same with my kite.

It's very underrated

[Dubbo Ego]

I agree with you on the feel of the Shark. It never felt quite right in my hand. My mid-to-fairway is the Innova Cobra. It is a 5,4,-2,2. Can be thrown inside or outside. Mine have become more and more stable the older they get. Unless I get a bad release, she flies nigh on straight down the fairway. The 5+4 lets you reach out a good ways as well.

+1 on the Cobra.. I throw the champs, but I just got a star in the mail today... can't wait to see what its like :)

[aces_in_illinois]

Flat top rocs are where it's at!

[mj20300]

thanks for the input. i had a champion shark and it felt uncomfortable in my hand. i'm using star skeeters for mid range shots and approaches but im looking for some thing that i can give some effort (not 100% power but i can do my usual drive run-up) and it wont turn over on me


EDIT: WHAT GRIPS DO Y'ALL USE FOR A MID RANGE SHOT?

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[AndyJB]

I use to say Mako (its still in the bag for dead straight shots) but it doesn't really have the range I want in a true mid. I prefer my FLX Buzzz for line shaping, but the Neutron Vector is pretty money in the wind. Man, this is a tough call because I also have love for my Gremlin and Axis....tough question.

If I had a gun to my head I think Id go with the FLX Buzzz. Very predictable and hits and sticks, which is crucial in a mid.

[whentherainscome]

Talk about a revival.... Wow.

4 years later, maybe OP still hasn't decided on a mid?

I like whatever happens to be in my sig at the moment.

[g2avity]

Buzzz

[Disc Fiend]

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[Kingace]

I noticed most people only use their rocs for drives.

When a midrange shot is needed they pull out something else?

[BigSky]

I noticed most people only use their rocs for drives.

When a midrange shot is needed they pull out something else?

I'm not sure who you've seen, but a Roc (or any other midrange or putter) can be a great approach disc and players frequently use them on their upshots.

A player should use whatever disc they're comfortable with for a given shot, be it a putter, mid, or driver.

[jtrod]

Legacy Ghost is a great all around mid-range

[davmer2303]

Legacy Ghost is a great all around mid-range

That tends to be my favorite mid for longer upshots. It's almost identical to the Roc on the flight chart, but they both have different feels to me. I think more people should try it out. It's a really nice disc.

[CTRobuck]

Z Meteor, it will do whatever you ask of it!!!


Although.... I am starting to like Classic Rocs :D

[cjowo]

Has anyone said Warship yet? Once you get used to the glide, the Warship is really awesome.

[sloppydisc]

Warship seconded.