Discraft's version of the Boss?

[Marty McFly]

What would that be?

[colodiscgolfer]

Closest thing is the force, but it's really a better comparison to the Xcal than the boss. Unfortunately discraft doesn't have anything as fast as the boss.

[bongripper0420]

I would say the force also. I have them both and cant really throw either yet, but Im workin on it.

[Nick C]

I've yet to throw the boss but someone I play with a lot throws one and it seems like the Force is wayyy more overstable than the Boss. I'll have to throw the boss to evaluate correctly though

[colodiscgolfer]

Well, this brings up an interesting point. The boss has about the most variation in flight characterstics between brand new discs I've ever seen. Some are VERY overstable like mine, and others are understable. This is one of the reasons I really wish discraft would put out a product that more closely matches the intended flight characteristcs of the boss. My force definitely has a more high speed stability than the my overstable boss, with pretty comparable low speed stability.

[Technohic]

This gave me a thought. Someone who knows both Innova and Disccraft discs well should do a side by side match of which discs are the most similar.

I know that would help someone like me who would love to buy some Disccraft in support of those great videos they give me but have only known Innovas ratings.

If one doesnt match anything, you dont have to force it to closest but just leave blank. I would love that.

[Camgolfer]

Like a boss!

[Daddy-O]

Slightly off topic, but does anyone else think the Star Boss is way more overstable than the R-Pro? My Star boss only weighs 167, but it's like throwing a brick.

[colodiscgolfer]

the R-pro bosses I have seen are all understable. A few of my buddies bought them for this very reason, but I strongly prefer the overstable version.

[XxInnovaxX]

everyone says the closest thing is the force...but from what ive heard, the force was originally designed to be discrafts answer to the destroyer, and personally i feel they are both very similar, at one point i had both in my bag, but soon traded one off because i didnt feel the need for having 3 identical discs...the force might just be a little, i say a little, more overstable

[XxInnovaxX]

I've yet to throw the boss but someone I play with a lot throws one and it seems like the Force is wayyy more overstable than the Boss. I'll have to throw the boss to evaluate correctly though

i would have to disagree with this statement...but then again, they might have possibly been throwing different weights than i did...in my experience my 172g force was less overstable than my semi-beat 169g boss...BUT like others have stated, ive seen many bosses fly very differently, even when they are the same weights!!

[Nick C]

i would have to disagree with this statement...but then again, they might have possibly been throwing different weights than i did...in my experience my 172g force was less overstable than my semi-beat 169g boss...BUT like others have stated, ive seen many bosses fly very differently, even when they are the same weights!!

I think it's around 170-172. I also should have mentioned it was a champ boss.

[tbird888]

This gave me a thought. Someone who knows both Innova and Discraft discs well should do a side by side match of which discs are the most similar.

I know that would help someone like me who would love to buy some Discraft in support of those great videos they give me but have only known Innova's ratings.

If one doesn't match anything, you don't have to force it to closest but just leave blank. I would love that.

Hardly any Discraft disc has an exact Innova equal. The closest matchup (practically identical twins in ESP/Star plastics) I've found is between the Surge and the Wraith. Aside from that, everything else can either be fairly similar or totally unique.

The best way to figure out what you'd like from Discraft is to buy (or trade someone on here!!) a couple differently (but still fairly close) rated mids of different ratings (Buzzz [+.5] and Wasp [+1.5]) to get a feeling for how they rate their discs.

After getting familiar with the discs and the rating system, you may just find that you prefer it to Innova's (I like the fact that they take into account that different plastics do really fly differently and rate discs accordingly). Then the addiction begins.

Or you can find someone nice enough to let you throw some for a couple rounds.

[sub ceroh]

I say Force also.

[discgolferlee]

force is closest but not really close to boss at all since it's discrafts match to a innova destroyer.

[Marty McFly]

Lets just be honest.

Discraft is behind in development on anything that compares to my beloved boss.

[Marty McFly]

I say Force also.

Can you put glasses on that dog? I'm thinking sunglasses...

[ChaseTheAce]

Slightly off topic, but does anyone else think the Star Boss is way more overstable than the R-Pro? My Star boss only weighs 167, but it's like throwing a brick.

I have heard from many people that the lighter runs of star bosses tend to be quite a bit more overstable than the 167-170 runs.
I can control my 175 star boss much easier than my 167. it's quite ridiculous

[Marty McFly]

It is very hard to sense sarcasim on the internet... However I was making fun of Discraft for remaining in the ice age.

I beg them to get bigger and make some faster plastic!

[JR Stengele]

Force

[tbird888]

It is very hard to sense sarcasim on the internet... However I was making fun of Discraft for remaining in the ice age.

I beg them to get bigger and make some faster plastic!

As many inconsistent stories that have come out about the Boss and Groove, I'm happy with Discraft not pursuing the "fastest disc ever made" route. The fact that they are starting to release discs that are improving their entire lineup is just fine with me. That's not to say that they won't release a Force beater eventually (maybe a Death Star???).

[colodiscgolfer]

It is very hard to sense sarcasim on the internet... However I was making fun of Discraft for remaining in the ice age.

I beg them to get bigger and make some faster plastic!

And I beg innova to actually put some quality control engineers in place in their injection molding facility, because they are total crap currently. They are ages behind the state of the art in plastic forming.

[Disc Dog]

This gave me a thought. Someone who knows both Innova and Disccraft discs well should do a side by side match of which discs are the most similar.

I know that would help someone like me who would love to buy some Disccraft in support of those great videos they give me but have only known Innovas ratings.

If one doesnt match anything, you dont have to force it to closest but just leave blank. I would love that.

Its been done. Its called Joe's Flight Chart. There are 4 discs rated exactly the same.

Innova Boss 5.5 0 4 6
Innova Destroyer 5.5 0 4 6
Discraft Force 5.5 0 4 6
Quest AT Double D 5.5 0 4 6

Here's the link if you want to check http://gottagogottathrow.com/discgolf/pdf/JoesFlightChart1.pdf

[discgolferlee]

flight charts, rating systems sheeeesh. I don't even pay attention to em anymore. half the time they are wrong or misleading to new players especially. cracks me up when I see everyone referencing them ALLLLL the time on here. I guess take them with a grain of salt and use them as a very very loose reference point. find someone who has the disc and try it out. or just pony up the $$$ and take a chance.

[scarpfish]

The flight ratings provided by the manufacturers and online sellers are subjective opinion at best. Now the PDGA specifications on the other hand...

Manufacturer Mold MWA DIA HEI RD IRD RT RDDR RC Flex.
Discraft Force 175.1 21.1 1.7 1.2 16.5 2.3 5.7 26.00 11.79

Innova Boss 176.0 21.2 1.5 1.2 16.2 2.5 5.7 26.00 7.60

Innova Destroyer 175.1 21.1 1.4 1.2 16.7 2.2 5.7 30.50 10.66

Innova XCaliber 175.1 21.1 1.6 1.2 16.4 2.3 5.7 29.50 8.85

Quest AT Double D 175.1 21.1 1.9 1.1 15.9 2.6 5.2 28.75 8.39


MWA - Maximum Weight allowed (grams)
DIA - Disc Diameter (cm)
HEI - Height (cm)
RD - Rim Depth (cm)
IRD - Inside Rim Diameter (cm)
RT - Rim Thickness (cm)
RDDR - Rim Depth/Diameter Ratio (%)
RC- Rim Configuration
FLX - Flexibility (kg)

Based on that. A Force matches up best to an XCaliber. The Boss has no Discraft equivalent yet. The Quest AT Double D is probably the closest thing from anybody.

[BogeyNoMore]

The flight ratings provided by the manufacturers and online sellers are subjective opinion at best. Now the PDGA specifications on the other hand...

Manufacturer Mold MWA DIA HEI RD IRD RT RDDR RC Flex.
Discraft Force 175.1 21.1 1.7 1.2 16.5 2.3 5.7 26.00 11.79

Innova Boss 176.0 21.2 1.5 1.2 16.2 2.5 5.7 26.00 7.60

Innova Destroyer 175.1 21.1 1.4 1.2 16.7 2.2 5.7 30.50 10.66

Innova XCaliber 175.1 21.1 1.6 1.2 16.4 2.3 5.7 29.50 8.85

Quest AT Double D 175.1 21.1 1.9 1.1 15.9 2.6 5.2 28.75 8.39


MWA - Maximum Weight allowed (grams)
DIA - Disc Diameter (cm)
HEI - Height (cm)
RD - Rim Depth (cm)
IRD - Inside Rim Diameter (cm)
RT - Rim Thickness (cm)
RDDR - Rim Depth/Diameter Ratio (%)
RC- Rim Configuration
FLX - Flexibility (kg)

Based on that. A Force matches up best to an XCaliber. The Boss has no Discraft equivalent yet. The Quest AT Double D is probably the closest thing from anybody.
That's a lot of measurments, and all are undeniably objective, but something hit me pretty quickly. None of them takes into account the curvature or dominess of the disk. Two discs could be identical in all 9 of those dimensions, but still have different shapes, and therefore, fly differently.

[sub ceroh]

Can you put glasses on that dog? I'm thinking sunglasses...

Is that better???

[Technohic]

Its been done. Its called Joe's Flight Chart. There are 4 discs rated exactly the same.

Innova Boss 5.5 0 4 6
Innova Destroyer 5.5 0 4 6
Discraft Force 5.5 0 4 6
Quest AT Double D 5.5 0 4 6

Here's the link if you want to check http://gottagogottathrow.com/discgolf/pdf/JoesFlightChart1.pdf

Thats not quite what I was thinking but still awesome.

I was thinking more of a this one to that one type thing based by people who actually throw them instead of the flight chart, but as someone said, not many of them are that similar.

At least the chart you have there has in account a power rating for how hard you have to throw it to hit its path, so I will keep ahold of this one.

Its not perfect science, but it is at least something if you've never thrown the discs before.

[mmyersdisc]

Yeah The Force is one of discrafts fastest/overstable drivers that ive thrown...alot more stable then my star boss...about equivelent to my champ boss though...I hate having to buy 3 different bosses to find ONE money one...oh well...practice stack they are! haha...

[Beable]

There is a fairly long thread on DGR where they talk about which Discraft discs match specific Innova ones.

[Marty McFly]

Is that better???

Much better. :D

[innovachamp09]

i would say the pulse

[SoCalDg'r]

They may not have it on speed. But check out a flick compared to a boss as far as overstable goes. And im sure discraft is trying but they are commited to consistency as in the case of the Torque, they could not get a consistent molding so the discontinued. I think innove need to follow suite and discontinue the groove because it blows, and go back to the drawing board on the boss because you will have a hard time finding 2 that throw the same way, i have had 3 of them, 150 r-pro, 162 r-pro and 172 champ. And i think the 150 was the most overstable, the 162 flew about like my star monarch, and the champ was just plain unpredictable. And my groove was a 350ft meat hook, but i will admit at the time, i had no buisness even carryin around a groove.

[culinarywiz]

Nope. They don't have it.
But do you really need a Boss replica?

I doubt there are more than 5% of disc golfers who can truly tap the potential of a Boss.

[Marty McFly]

Naw, I was just cracking on Discraft. It was a lame joke on all you homers who are in love with dc.

Innova is da champ.

[culinarywiz]

This gave me a thought. Someone who knows both Innova and Disccraft discs well should do a side by side match of which discs are the most similar.

I know that would help someone like me who would love to buy some Disccraft in support of those great videos they give me but have only known Innovas ratings.

If one doesnt match anything, you dont have to force it to closest but just leave blank. I would love that.

Force = XCaliber
Surge = Wraith
Avenger = Orc
Tracker = Viking
Crush = Starfire
XL = Tee Bird
Predator = Firebird
Cyclone = Gazelle
Stratus = Stingray
Wasp = Roc

No doubt I will receive criticism for this list, but this is just my opinion from experience. I have thrown all the above, some of them for years.

[JR Stengele]

I was going to say a Force

[Chucktown]

Guess it would be between the surge and the force.

[tbird888]

Naw, I was just cracking on Discraft. It was a lame joke on all you homers who are in love with dc.

Innova is da champ.

What is par?

Of course. Leave it to Innova to produce a disc so inconsistent off the shelf stability-wise that it makes buying one nothing more than a crapshoot. (Someone had to bite!!) :p

I did just buy an R-Pro Boss after throwing a friend's, but I haven't hit the field with it yet.

[mambrose]

i love my boss, but my force gets more distance, holds a line better, and just beats the boss in every way

[SoCalDg'r]

i would say the pulse
Na, i have a couple pulse' for my max d drivers, its nowhere near as overstable as my force, which is not as stable as the boss' i have owned.

Force = XCaliber
Surge = Wraith
Avenger = Orc
Tracker = Viking
Crush = Starfire Flash i think is a little more like a starfire than the crush
XL = Tee Bird
Predator = Firebird
Cyclone = Gazelle
Stratus = Stingray
Wasp = Roc

No doubt I will receive criticism for this list, but this is just my opinion from experience. I have thrown all the above, some of them for years.

[colodiscgolfer]

Word is that discraft may finally be releasing an answer to the boss...

From: http://www.discgolfreview.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=14431

"Coming Soon.....Over-stable wide-rim driver and the next distance record disc, the Flash on steroids!!"

rim shot of new disc from twitter:
http://discraft.com/downloads/IMG_5470.jpg

[mambrose]

force is greatest disc ever, how can they replace it?!?

[aarikc17]

A DREAM !!!!!!!!! That is the closest thing discraft has to the boss!!!

[colodiscgolfer]

If this new disc is indeed like the boss, I will finally be able to have a discraft only bag!!! The only other innova disc I carry right now is a very well seasoned old mold beast I use for turnovers, but there's several other discraft discs I have that could conceivably fill this slot once they get a bit more beat in.

[TalbotTrojan]

Seems like Discraft is using the old mold on Steroids marketing method. Can't wait to see something new from them though.

[colodiscgolfer]

Seems like Discraft is using the old mold on Steroids marketing method. Can't wait to see something new from them though.

yeah... weren't the stalker and tracker BOTH "the buzzz on steroids"??? Discraft definitely needs some marketing help.

[mambrose]

i also only throw the boss by innova, i keep a wraith in my bag because they were my first driver i could throw over 300, and a starfire because i havent lost it yet, but i havent thrown em in prolly 15 rounds, just my force, boss and flash right now.