A question for the big guns

[Jungle Tim]

hola
When you throw your longest on the course, are you throwing flat, s-curves, hyzerflips, etc? Lets assume that the pin is 500ft away dead straight and flat with a massively wide open fairway and no wind.
gracias
Jungle

[garublador]

If I have a lot of room like that I'll throw something high speed understable (beat pro Orc or beat X Avenger) and fast on a hyzer, aiming to the left of the basket. I'm aiming to get the disc to flip a little past flat so it makes a big, wide 'S' shot. I've measured a few ~420' shots like this. It's not a very reliable shot for me, but if it's open any errors won't have that big of an impact.

If I'm throwing a golf shot, I'd throw an X Avenger or beat DX Teebird (depending on the ceiling and whether or not I want a fade) with a hyzer to get it to flip to flat or slightly past. This is a much more accurate shot for me and it's what I'd probably do if my score mattered. I'd expect 360'-380' with this type of shot.

[Rbuzz9]

since my forehand wins - i'd go Destroyer - it goes straight and LONG - if huge flex doesnt matter id consider my Champ Orc

[Greg Weleski]

I throw side-arm and usually get the most distance out of my champ. roadrunner. I throw it with a good amount of hyzer and it flips flat then starts a huge s-curve. My farthest throw with it has been ~450ft., which I was very pleased with. Destroyers are great also but you have to snap the hell out of them or they will fade way to early. I've also had very good results with a beast. They don't turn over as easily as a roadrunner and get great distance while maintaining a slight s-curve.

[Marv Vega]

The hyzer-flip is what I usually throw for distance, 360-380 ft on a good throw using a DX Destroyer, a Star/Champ Valk, or a DX Wraith. I usually flip it just past flat, hopefully anyway, with a nice slight s-curve before fading back.

[atl scott]

In this scenario I will almost always throw a destroyer fast and flat which gives me a pretty big s-curve for the best distance. If there is much wind I would probably throw an excaliber flat and to the right. For me these will end up in the 400-450' range.

[sidewinding]

Long range turnover or roller with a sidewinder, depending on the condition of the ground. My range is 400-500' but not consistent distance or accuracy. I don't practice these much because I don't have many local courses requiring that type of shot.

[Three Putt]

Wide open with no wind? Hyzer flip, Baby!

[Jungle Tim]

Hyzerflip - word.

How do you guys typically execute this shot? How high and how far out does your disc trajectory apex tend to be?

[garublador]

Hyzerflip - word.

How do you guys typically execute this shot? How high and how far out does your disc trajectory apex tend to be?I'm not a great judge of distance (my throws are measured on a football field) but I'd guess that the drives I'm talking about peak at 20'-25' for the distance shots and 15'-20' for the golf shots and hit that apex somewhere at 1/2-3/4 of the way out.

[Three Putt]

I have astigmatism, which has made it nearly impossible for me to judge distance. The apex is after the halfway point (1/2 -3/4 is accurate, I can't describe it any better) but it could be 10' high of 1,000' high for all I know.

[iDisc]

i can't throw as far as these guys but i definitely get the most distance out of the hyzer flip s curve

[Jungle Tim]

Sorry to drag up an old post, however i thought it better than start another. Re-Use is better than recycle right!

Anyway.... I have been working on my distance, and specifically the hyzer flip shot, i find i can get my discs to flip flat fairly easily, but i cant get the disc to pull through the apex properly. I imagine that the discs should turn over and then sweep down for the final part, but mine just die a death. If i reduce the hyzer i end up flipping them over into rollers.....

are there any good videos or tips on how to execure the hyzer flip and the sorts of angles and heights one should be aiming for?

[garublador]

Sorry to drag up an old post, however i thought it better than start another. Re-Use is better than recycle right!

Anyway.... I have been working on my distance, and specifically the hyzer flip shot, i find i can get my discs to flip flat fairly easily, but i cant get the disc to pull through the apex properly. I imagine that the discs should turn over and then sweep down for the final part, but mine just die a death. If i reduce the hyzer i end up flipping them over into rollers.....

are there any good videos or tips on how to execure the hyzer flip and the sorts of angles and heights one should be aiming for?Which discs are you using and how far are they going? The post about disc speed and ability might help out with disc selection for this shot.

I'm not 100% sure what's going on based on your description, but it might be a nose angle issue, too. You need nose down and power to get a disc to pan through the apex right. I find "workable" fairway drivers are the easiest discs to get this flight out of because of their lower power requirement, forgiveness when it comes to nose angle and natural tendency to come out of a turn well.

[dangitboy]

I throw the farthest and most accurate with a slight anhyzer about 20-25 feet off the ground with a Boss. Getting the full flight this will go over 450 but not quite 500. I have yet to break that barrier in the air. More or less I'm just setting the disc on a line in the air and throwing the disc at or above the cruising speed and the disc does all the work. The hyzer flip works too, for me it just doesn't go as far.

[tamahawk]

i don't throw nearly as far as others, but the longest drives that i ever throw are always flex shots (s-curves, around 350-375ft). i know there are a lot of variables (disc selection, speed, spin, etc...), but some of the longest drives i have ever thrown were with a DX Valkerie and a ProWraith. These are my go-to discs for my longest drives.

[bazkitcase5]

http://discgolfreview.com/resources/articles/distancelines.shtml

[Omega SuperSloth]

the closest distance betwwen point a and point b is a straight line a 350ft t-bird shot or 375ft starfire has alot better shot at being on the line and not waste power all that height and big turns is just wasted power with a tailwind that s turn is great more airtime and distance my longest drives have been s turns (Orc and wraith) but how much of that distance did i have to make up because i was off the line, if you can keep it lined up in the end then go for it as for me i gonna keep it low and tight and overstable

[disc-o maniac]

im forehand dominant, star xcaliber 174, flex shot.. . .hit 500 in 1 maybe 2 throws

[Magnus]

Wide open with no wind? Hyzer flip, Baby!

Hyzer-flip, for sure!

Even with wind...I just switch to a more stable disc. Now that the rust is coming off, I'm starting to get 425-450' on my better drives. Improving every week...love the FLX plastic!

[kunipshunfit]

Hyzer-flip, for sure!

Even with wind...I just switch to a more stable disc. Now that the rust is coming off, I'm starting to get 425-450' on my better drives. Improving every week...love the FLX plastic!

I can def say that I've seen Mr. Magnus hit the 425/450 range. Just last week was the latest example that his 'rust' is coming off. Hole 17 out at Burlington (Cedarrock). Whew, blew my mind. Past the pin by a solid 30ft.

I thought I was doing good that day to hit the 325 range.

I have to say - I don't have near the arm that Magnus does, but what I am finding is that if I throw a solid shot, they all tend to 'sit up, and flip just a hair'. That seems to give them a little extra glide.

[cc0049]

I'll throw my first run champ boss for max distance on a hyzer flip line. It can be counted on for 400-450+ (this is assuming no wind of course) The best I've got from this disc was a downwind shot for about 550 on flat ground. Fast and understable is great downwind. Fast and overstable into the wind.

[80playedin10states]

overstable into the wind?...do you have those last 2 sentences reversed?

[Noel757]

Distance is all about form not power, dissapointed in this thread. Good guy looking for honesty! I throw 500+ on command not just luckily, throw the disc flat as can be to start. A good Disc will flip totally straight-slightly understable and travel unbelivebly far. S curves can be manipulates for similiar results but about 50-100 feet shorter. I speak of pro-level performance tho...

[_.-Dut-._]

hola
When you throw your longest on the course, are you throwing flat, s-curves, hyzerflips, etc? Lets assume that the pin is 500ft away dead straight and flat with a massively wide open fairway and no wind.
gracias
Jungle

Stable disc (Destroyer for me) Anhyzer shot with alot of air underneath it.

Accuracy is an issue, Hyzer flip.

[Lewis]

Distance is all about form not power, dissapointed in this thread. Good guy looking for honesty! I throw 500+ on command not just luckily, throw the disc flat as can be to start. A good Disc will flip totally straight-slightly understable and travel unbelivebly far. S curves can be manipulates for similiar results but about 50-100 feet shorter. I speak of pro-level performance tho...

I get the impression that pro level performance is largely based on ability as well. Not everybody can learn to throw a 90-mph fastball. Most of us will never throw a baseball over 70mph, no matter how good our form is. The same thing could be said about 500' drives. I don't know what the difference is, but the big-armed pros have something special in their bodies (be it tendon elasticity, muscle twitchiness, or whatever) that God simply doesn't dole out to many people.

[Hamilton]

overstable into the wind?...do you have those last 2 sentences reversed?

no, he is correct...overstable into a headwind...understable into a headwind flips badly, overstable fights the wind's tendency to turn the disc over...

[JCthrills]

Yeah form over power for sure for consistent distance, I was touching 400ft last summer & then had a pro watch me drive & give me some pointers, he adjusted my grip (dropped the pinky to reduce drag & moved my thumb closer to the rim) and my run up (got a better rotation in my cross step, point my rear toward the target.) Both of those things led to me getting much more snap on release causing more spin which will in turn keep the disc in the air longer. I stopped throwing as hard as I did before & started throwing smarter, I now throw on average 425 with good consistency. Just yesterday I was tossing at a pin 409' away & maybe 10ft higher than the pad, passed it by about 40ft & of course missed the putt for deuce that most likely would have grab a stroke on the field.

First Run (Flat) max weight star destroyer is my disc of choice for distance & accuracy. I have a couple Bosses that I'm still learning, a good rip on the flippy one (Pre-release Mace Man stamp) & it'll turn out near 500, bad release & It'll hyzer out 400-450 not the way I wanted it to go lol.

[skurf]

Let's say someone throws a hzyer-flip 400 feet. At what point (distance or percentage of overall distance) does the disc turn from hyzer to flat? Also, what is the overall path/trajectory of the disc? For instance, does it go left, straight, then a bit right at the end? One more question would be which specific discs do y'all consider good for this type of throw? Sorry for all the questions, but I don't believe I've ever actually seen a hyzer-flip thrown.

[Omega SuperSloth]

im sure ive thrown one but wth is a hyzerflip

[80playedin10states]

hey skurf, gonna be different for each player and even each throw...so many variables...for me, an understable disc works best...im using a pro beast for my 400-450 "hyzer flips"...omegasupersloth, basically it's throwing a hyzer with lotsa power and snap and watching your disc go from hyzer angle to flat, and to anhyzer angle...and maybe even back to fading out left(for you righties)...the more stable the disc the less hyzer you put on it..

[80playedin10states]

and hamilton he edited his post...he did have them backwards, you would hope after playing for 15 years i know what the wind is gonna do to my plastic..ha ha

[_.-Dut-._]

im sure ive thrown one but wth is a hyzerflip

Release the disc on a hyzer angle, but with enough snap to force it to flip up to flat.

[Hamilton]

and hamilton he edited his post...he did have them backwards, you would hope after playing for 15 years i know what the wind is gonna do to my plastic..ha ha

i understand...but he edited his post an hour and a half before you posted...

[80playedin10states]

nah i'm pretty sure i read it correctly...or maybe i didn't...fact is, i am a great reader of the wind and know what a disc will do in all situations..are you another arm chair discgolfer?...someone that's been playing for a year and knows all?

[garublador]

Let's say someone throws a hzyer-flip 400 feet. At what point (distance or percentage of overall distance) does the disc turn from hyzer to flat? Also, what is the overall path/trajectory of the disc? For instance, does it go left, straight, then a bit right at the end? One more question would be which specific discs do y'all consider good for this type of throw? Sorry for all the questions, but I don't believe I've ever actually seen a hyzer-flip thrown.It depends on the disc and the player. One person might be able to get that with a Teebird so it flips to flat, holds that line for most of the flight, turns over a tad at about the 90% mark and then fades back for a really straight throw. They may also be able to do that with a different fairway driver but with exaggerated left and right movement. (This will get me about 350' with either of those discs).

Another player may be able to hit that with a flippy distance driver thrown way off to the left of the target so it flips up past flat, holds the anhyzer for a long time and then fades back little to a lot depending on the disc (basically what 80playedin10states said). This line is also my best shot at hitting 400'.

[Hamilton]

nah i'm pretty sure i read it correctly...or maybe i didn't...fact is, i am a great reader of the wind and know what a disc will do in all situations..are you another arm chair discgolfer?...someone that's been playing for a year and knows all?

getting a bit defensive? yeah i played 9 at freeman today from my armchair? seriously why would someone want to be an "armchair discgolfer"? i just pointed out the edit b/c it seemed like you were backpeddling...how could his edit have caused you misunderstanding what he said, when his edit was 2 minutes after his original post, and you posted over an hour and a half later...

[giles]

nah i'm pretty sure i read it correctly...or maybe i didn't...fact is, i am a great reader of the wind and know what a disc will do in all situations..are you another arm chair discgolfer?...someone that's been playing for a year and knows all?

ALL HAIL 80PLAYED. Gods gift to DGCR. Because how long you have been playing and how many courses you have seen is a direct link to your understanding of the game. His amazing rating of 950 ranks him as the most knowledgeable golfer of all time. Heed his words of wisdom. Respect the amazing character and class he displays whilst sitting at his computer. Although he may be 40 years old, his youth shows through in the maturity he displays for the disc golf community to see.

[80playedin10states]

blah blah...everyone else sounds a bit cocky to me after playing one year, i try to help people and get bashed. it is ridiculous..and rating means NOTHING as well as the over 100 courses i have played..but in 15 years i have thousands of rounds under my belt..and THAT is a direct link to understanding the game...and regardless of how i read his post and when he edited the incorrect information doesn't mean anything. especially when i learned wind golf years ago and play it constantly..it was a pretty simple question about being an arm chair disc golfer...there are arm chair players of every sport..several on this forum

[mzuleger]

who cares about this back and forth crap... lets drop it and get back on topic.

I find that I get my best raw distance with high anhyzers... I can hyzer flip 400" occassionally but it's not a very accurate shot for me.

[sidewinding]

who cares about this back and forth crap... lets drop it and get back on topic.

I find that I get my best raw distance with high anhyzers... I can hyzer flip 400" occassionally but it's not a very accurate shot for me.

You'd think a 400 Inch shot would be pretty accurate no matter how you choose to throw it. ;)

[EclipticOne]

i just throw my destroyer low and flat and watch it come back around as it finishes its run. i guess it ends around 400'+ i can maybe get a hyzerflip to go for a while. i have to use a valkeryie for it. what do ppl usually use the hyzerflip with?

[solomon.trenton]

You'd think a 400 Inch shot would be pretty accurate no matter how you choose to throw it. ;)

less than 34 feet seems like a putt to me:D

[Noel757]

For max distance I throw it flat and it will flip somehwhat understable but yet turn to its normal state of fade. The disc you choose ( I recommend either Wraith, destroyer, or boss) depends on how much of a power player you are. But power means squat without accuracy I know all to well!! If these discs have too much power than I can recomend better, but so can others, listen to them!! Good discin brah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[TalbotTrojan]

hola
When you throw your longest on the course, are you throwing flat, s-curves, hyzerflips, etc? Lets assume that the pin is 500ft away dead straight and flat with a massively wide open fairway and no wind.
gracias
Jungle

Not that I have read anything but this first post, but longest drive based on these conditions? Massive forehand roller that flies in the neighborhood of 250' and then rolls the rest of the way to the basket. That might be a dream, but I know I can get forehand rollers further than any other drive I have up my sleeve.

[cc0049]

overstable into the wind?...do you have those last 2 sentences reversed?

I'm sorry, the way I wrote that was confusing. I meant those last two sentences to be taken in general, not just specific to the boss. In general, you want to throw fast and understable with the wind and fast and overstable into the wind.
I would definitely not throw my understable boss into very much of a headwind.

[cc0049]

Distance is all about form not power, dissapointed in this thread. Good guy looking for honesty! I throw 500+ on command not just luckily, throw the disc flat as can be to start. A good Disc will flip totally straight-slightly understable and travel unbelivebly far. S curves can be manipulates for similiar results but about 50-100 feet shorter. I speak of pro-level performance tho...

If you throw it flat as can be, how can it flip straight. That makes no sense. Coherent thought would be appreciated.

[cc0049]

and hamilton he edited his post...he did have them backwards, you would hope after playing for 15 years i know what the wind is gonna do to my plastic..ha ha

I did not have them backwards, you cannot edit a post after it has been replied to.

[cc0049]

blah blah...everyone else sounds a bit cocky to me after playing one year, i try to help people and get bashed. it is ridiculous..and rating means NOTHING as well as the over 100 courses i have played..but in 15 years i have thousands of rounds under my belt..and THAT is a direct link to understanding the game...and regardless of how i read his post and when he edited the incorrect information doesn't mean anything. especially when i learned wind golf years ago and play it constantly..it was a pretty simple question about being an arm chair disc golfer...there are arm chair players of every sport..several on this forum

So, just out of curiosity, do you still think that you are NOT supposed to throw overstable discs into the wind? I would disagree with you if that is still what you are sticking too.

[discflinger]

You'd think a 400 Inch shot would be pretty accurate no matter how you choose to throw it. ;)
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