Innova Boss

[Marv Vega]

I was wondering if anyone had any info. on the new Speed 13 disc "The Boss" from Innova. It's supposed to be released within the next month or so from what I've heard and looks like a faster XCaliber or TeeRex. I haven't heard what plastic or weights it'll initially be released in. I'm a sucker for the latest and greatest so will probably shell out the dough for one.

[Brody Cannon]

I use my Xcaliber or my stable champion Destroyer for headwinds and I love the wide rims that they have. I've been told the the boss it exactly what people assume. I've also heard that it'll be Feldberg's signature disc. Knowing Innova, it'll probably be star for the first several months. I can't wait to try it and see how crazy the skips are. :-D

[ParkerJ152]

It's Innova's first 13 Speed Driver & they are calling it a faster XCaliber.
They ran the first run in Champion Plastic. It was going to be released the week before the USDGC, but because they have so much going on with the tournament, I'm told it will be released after the USDGC.

[Three Putt]

If I remember the rumor...they ran a bunch that molded up well and looked nice, but they were pigs! Big old overstable meathooks. They also ran some that molded up like crud with wavy flight plates that looked like hell and those BOMBED, flew exactly like the superfast/extralong disc they want it to be. So they are trying to figure out how to get it to look like batch A and fly like batch B.

At least thats what my best friends girlfriends brothers room mates uncles ex-wifes cousins next door neighbor told me. No idea if it is true, but that doesn't stop me from posting it on the Internet!

Oh well, the Destroyer release got delayed last year and debuted after AM Worlds...they still sold a TON of them

[Donovan]

At least thats what my best friends girlfriends brothers room mates uncles ex-wifes cousins next door neighbor told me. No idea if it is true, but that doesn't stop me from posting it on the Internet!


:eek: OMG Dude, you are so in!!!! I'm like waaay totally jealous bro!

;)

[Donovan]

Keep in mind you have to take these things with some skeptisism, but here is a pic of a Boss off ebay, if that is realy what they are showing us here.

ebay (http://cgi.ebay.com/Pre-release-Champion-BOSS-Golf-Disc-only-170g_W0QQitemZ260287550791QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item 260287550791&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C 240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14)

Either way...Can you believe the going rates for a pre-release? I saw one up to $56 so far.

[Marv Vega]

If I remember the rumor...they ran a bunch that molded up well and looked nice, but they were pigs! Big old overstable meathooks. They also ran some that molded up like crud with wavy flight plates that looked like hell and those BOMBED, flew exactly like the superfast/extralong disc they want it to be. So they are trying to figure out how to get it to look like batch A and fly like batch B.



I'll gladly take one of the batch B discs off of their hands:D

[Marv Vega]

Keep in mind you have to take these things with some skeptisism, but here is a pic of a Boss off ebay, if that is realy what they are showing us here.

ebay (http://cgi.ebay.com/Pre-release-Champion-BOSS-Golf-Disc-only-170g_W0QQitemZ260287550791QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item 260287550791&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C 240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14)

Either way...Can you believe the going rates for a pre-release? I saw one up to $56 so far.

lol A bit steep for a piece of plastic.

[Rbuzz9]

Discgolfcenter has a blurb about it

http://www.discgolfcenter.com/images/articles/theboss.jpg
On the horizon from Innova is their new driver, The Boss! The Boss has the distinction of being the first 13 speed distance driver produced. So, not only is it the fastest disc, but it also has the most wind and torque resistance of any Innova disc. The Boss is PDGA approved and features a 2.5 cm rim depth which most likely means it will most likely fly like a faster, longer-distance version of the Xcaliber. We will have The Boss available as soon as it is released, which we think will be in early October.

I'll definitely grab a BOSS when they arrive
looks like a pretty BOSS disc

[tomjulio]

Keep in mind you have to take these things with some skeptisism, but here is a pic of a Boss off ebay, if that is realy what they are showing us here.

ebay (http://cgi.ebay.com/Pre-release-Champion-BOSS-Golf-Disc-only-170g_W0QQitemZ260287550791QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item 260287550791&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C 240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14)

Either way...Can you believe the going rates for a pre-release? I saw one up to $56 so far.


60 for a disc? Unreal. Goes against everything that disc golf is. I hope who ever buys it loses it their very toss over a pond.

[garublador]

60 for a disc? Unreal. Goes against everything that disc golf is. I hope who ever buys it loses it their very toss over a pond.I'm guessing it won't be thrown. Whomever buys it will probably be a collector.

[PA_Disc]

I never understood the "collector" part of disc golf. I mean seriously, if guys didnt "collect" them, im sure that the prices would remain much lower. Who wants to buy a disc that they cant use? Thats like buying a case of beer just to look at and imagine how good it would probably taste.

[tomjulio]

I'm guessing it won't be thrown. Whomever buys it will probably be a collector.

does disc golf "collector" mean a 46 year old guy who lives in his mothers basement?

[Rbuzz9]

yeah i dont get it, seems pretty lame if they are just keeping them

as if they think they'll have the next "Champion Roc"?

i can really only see collecting discs that have a personal significance and are obsolete due to excessive wear.

[JR Stengele]

I can't wait. Hope it isn't too over hyped.

[magictenor1]

Sounds like something I would want to try.

[DeafDiscGolfer]

Keep in mind you have to take these things with some skeptisism, but here is a pic of a Boss off ebay, if that is realy what they are showing us here.

ebay (http://cgi.ebay.com/Pre-release-Champion-BOSS-Golf-Disc-only-170g_W0QQitemZ260287550791QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item 260287550791&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C 240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14)

Either way...Can you believe the going rates for a pre-release? I saw one up to $56 so far.

I wouldn't buy it from this ebay because I find it hard to believe that its already released to ebay first and how do we know that it is the actual Champ. BOSS disc or could it be looked like either Champ. Destroyer or Wraith instead?

Umm...:confused:

[ParkerJ152]

lol too funny. discgolfvalues on ebay is actually a guy who works in the factory in California. He's always the first to have every new Innova disc. He also has 1466+ rating, why wouldn't you guys trust it?

[ParkerJ152]

Here's the official Product Release Innova sent me today.

The Champion Boss will be released on October 6, 2008. A limited number of discs will be available with the 1st run Champion Star Stamp. Subsequent Champion Bosses will be World Champion Dave Feldberg signature stamped.

Until the general release, the Boss will be made available to tournaments for custom hot stamping.

The Boss is the first 13 speed distance driver.

Weight range : 173 to 175 grams
Ratings 13, 4, 0, 4

[Innovadude]

i'd Kill for them to stop making new molds and instead make the same disc..twice!
I stopped buying Teerex which I loved at first because each one is a whole different disc, ya never know what youre gonna get! stop making new stuff, fix your production process!
'nuff said!

[Three Putt]

i'd Kill for them to stop making new molds and instead make the same disc..twice!
I stopped buying Teerex which I loved at first because each one is a whole different disc, ya never know what youre gonna get! stop making new stuff, fix your production process!
'nuff said!The TeeRex was a fiasco, but no one seems to mention it. From what I read, the problem was the top, and that top was on more than just the TeeRex. The other disc I know that was affected was the Viking. The really embarrassing thing is the part that was bad was a duplicate piece, and the original piece was fine and available all along. They just were not using it. It literally took them years to figure it out. So Ben has a point, there seems to be a lot they could do in the way of improving quality control.

[Innovadude]

it's way more crucial to our games than new models
plus our wallets
i feel like i'm owed a refund, should submit a letter asking for one

[Donovan]

I wouldn't buy it from this ebay because I find it hard to believe that its already released to ebay first and how do we know that it is the actual Champ. BOSS disc or could it be looked like either Champ. Destroyer or Wraith instead?

Umm...:confused:

Most of those did say pre-order.

[Rbuzz9]

lol too funny. discgolfvalues on ebay is actually a guy who works in the factory in California. He's always the first to have every new Innova disc. He also has 1466+ rating, why wouldn't you guys trust it?

Ebay stores etc are legit - i think some people still think of Ebay as random people selling stuff they just found in their attics. It would be strange if the same guy selling the Boss was also selling a $10.00 8 track player along with Ted Nugent tapes.

[Rbuzz9]

i dont get the inability to replicate molds exactly from run to run or from factory to factory. I just think it's strange - and would be better for players to have a consistent product year after year.

on one hand yeah i think it's part of DG's character- which is probably why they can get away with it but I also think having 34584350943584035 different discs all with the same name is obnoxious. Especially because it would seem making discs is fairly straightforward.

I also find it odd that disc weights need to be hand written on - cant they automate that?

[garublador]

I also find it odd that disc weights need to be hand written on - cant they automate that?I think you overestimate the sizes of these companies. It's not like they're big corporations with giant, state of the art manufacturing facilities.

I've seen the newer Ching discs with little stickers on them giving a time stamp and the weight down to a thenth of a gram, but I don't really see the advantage. I don't see much flight difference between a couple of grams, anyway. I think pepole make a lot bigger deal out of that than is warranted.

As for getting discs consisant from run to run, I'd guess that that's not finantially possible for the disc companies. Injection molding to tight tolerances it touchy at best. They'd need environmentally controlled chambers with extra cooling time and robotics controlling the injection molding machines and I don't see any of the companies (or perhaps even all of them combined) selling discs fast enough to make that possible. I doubt any of us are willing to spend $40/disc until they hit their ROI on all that equipment.

One thing I will give you is that retooling molds and keeping the same name has gotten out of hand. It might have "flown" in the past, but I'm afraid to buy a disc that's been out for less than a few years becaues I don't know what I'm going to get. Am I getting the Teerex, Teerex-X, retooled Teerex, the retooled Teerex-X-L special edition with kung fu grip or what? If I throw an Eagle, it could be an Eagle-X or L depending on the plastic and year it was made, but no matter what it's called the Eagle and there are, IMO, major and important differences in how they fly. I liked the Beast before they retooled it. After they did that they should have changed the name because it's clearly a different disc. The Speed Demon by Gateway is just as bad. Apparently there have been nearly 10 retoolings of that one mold. It's gone from the most overstable disc ever to basically the same as the straightest Spirit. What about the Buzzz? There's the first run, second first run, midnight (which are apparently similar to the second first run) and then normal runs. How many "Rocs" are there? Even if you don't include the Classic Roc there are three distinct molds out there that are called the "Roc." I understand that they're trying to give customers what they ask for, but when you already have a process that isn't horribly repeatable it makes it difficult to choose discs when they add in even more variaion.

[Rbuzz9]

figured as much about the companies being small - im sure they could ISO 9000 the hell out of everything / make it look like a GE aircraft engine plant if they wanted to - but that would just drive the cost up - so yeah i'm cool with the minor quirks

also when did they retool the Beast? i bought a champion beast 3 yrs ago and i dont think i have a way to tell what mold it is other than guess when it was made.

[Jungle Tim]

over the years the mold tools will become worn, so sometime retooling is necessary to maintain quality.
The wearing of a mold tool is faster depending on what it costs, if the companies are cannot to invest in a top notch steel mold (with run numbers as small as they are i doubt it) then i might be necessary to retool more often. Also the thickness of the rim and the thinness of the flight plate may lead to some defects due to srinkage, as a result i have hunch that the resins they use are rather special, not just polypropelene. If it is a small outfit they may mix the granules by hand before putting them in the hoppers leading to plastic variations too. I could very well be wrong though. As for all the roc mold variations standard roc and ontario (think comet) dont even look the same (never seen a sanmarino) so they shoud be different.

thats my dissertation coming out ......

[garublador]

If it is a small outfit they may mix the granules by hand before putting them in the hoppers leading to plastic variations too. I could very well be wrong though. From what I understand many times the variations in plastic are intentional. They'll experiment to find a mix of plastic that works best for any given mold so the composition of a Star Wraith is likely purposefully different from a Star Aviar.

[Innovadude]

Today I'd buy 10 Star Tee-Rexs at 40$/pop if they gave me a 15$ refund/disc on the last ones I bought before I gave up throwing them!

The high-tech environmental control process in one of the reasons the factories don't allow outsiders to wander around the factory, corporate espionage worries.

Discraft is flat-out more consistent than Innova. I don't throw enough lightning/gateway/etc to compare those.

No company is at the level they should (by consumer's expected standards at least, I don't work there and know what they have to deal with) be at yet.

[blang]

Prime Discs is selling the Boss now for 25 bucks.

http://primediscs.com/proddetail.asp?prod=boss-09vo

[Three Putt]

Discraft is flat-out more consistent than Innova. I don't throw enough lightning/gateway/etc to compare those.I have a theory...Innova sells so many more discs than Discraft that there are a lot more runs of Innova discs. Since most of the variation we notice seem to happen run to run, and the better-selling Innova discs end up having the most number of runs, the best selling Innova discs end up having have the most number of variations.

If Discraft could sell as many discs as Innova, the number of runs for those discs would increase and the consistency would decrease.

Prime Discs is selling the Boss now for 25 bucks.

http://primediscs.com/proddetail.asp?prod=boss-09voHey, we had a nice drift going here! What are you doing posting something on-topic? ;)

[Rbuzz9]

sooooooooooo did anyone get one yet?

[valkyriefb11]

Nope!
Apparently there is still no official word from Innova on when it will be released. DGC is still waiting for more information from Innova ... last they heard it was still after the USDGC. :rolleyes:

[dangitboy]

Yeah The Champ had a couple out at Coachman a few days ago. It was a champion clear purple disc with a HUGE rim and had BOSS penned on the top. Guessing a prototype. It wasn't as overstable as you would think but it went FAR! Can't wait to try one. I'll wait for the Feldberg Boss to come out and pay $15

[disc-o maniac]

i happened to see a guy playing at rutgers university, New jersey who said that he got his innova boss for 15 dollors at modells, he even had a receipt to prove it

[stargator231]

i am going to try and pick one up tomorrow on pay day

[Huck]

I agree. There has always been a little bit of difference between runs but it has gotten out of hand in recent years.

[JR Stengele]

$25 for a disc seems steep unless it is a fundraiser. Especially if it is champion. IT is not like it is CE. = )

[kevinj33665]

Here ya go... Speed 13, Glide 4, Turn -1, Fade 3. No, it does NOT fly like a faster XCaliber like some people are saying. It isn't near as stable as the XCaliber is, you can put a little ante on one and it holds it really well (provided you throw it fast enough). The rim is pretty ridiculously wide and takes a little getting used to, but it's a sweet piece of plastic!

[petecarp]

threw it today after spotting at USDGC. what a disc, im picking up a few at the pro shop tomorrow.

[atl scott]

I bought several bosses at USDGC. I threw one of them today at spectator day while playing (shot a 92...ugh). Anyway it was very overstable. Very comparable to an excaliber in champion. I really didn't enjoy trying to backhand it but it was great for sidearm shots thrown with anny. I almost 3'd hole 12 with it. It was an orange 175. The rim does feel barely bigger in my hand than my destroyers which I'm quite comfortable with. Oh, and it has a sweet stamp from the skull and bones roc on it (there are some for sale on ebay).

[atl scott]

OK I took my 172 merlot (purple) boss out today to see how it flew. I must say this disc is much sweeter than my orange 175. Comparing them side by side I cannot tell any visual difference in flight plate/dome. The 175 flew like a champion excaliber and the 172 flew like a perfectly tuned destroyer. I would throw it with a little hyzer or really flat and it would anny just a little and bomb and come back nicely.

I don't think the 175 has a place in my bag except for forehands but the 172 is in for a good while.

Also, I weighed mine on a food scale and out of 5 that are supposed to be 175's only 2 actually were. 1 was a 173 and two were 174's.

[atl scott]

OK, I played three rounds yesterday with both bosses in the bag. It turns out the orange 175 has (after hitting a few trees and skidding on some pavement) become less of a pig. I still can't flip it but I can throw it flat as hard as I want and it will carry. The merlot I can flip just a bit which is a nice complement to my bag.

[JR Stengele]

What is the lightest Boss they make?

[Lancelot527]

On most websites, the lightest that they display is 173. But there are some 172's out there. I have one of the from the USDGC that has the roc skull and crossbones stamp on it.

[atl scott]

I have not seen any lower than 172. I assume that some of the x-outs will be a little lighter. I saw one on ebay with a large bubble in the rim. Also, I weighed mine and one of them was 2g lighter than it said (173 instead of 175).

[SnoKid]

I picked up a 171 with the SoCal stamp on it.

[Lancelot527]

The Boss is now up on Innova's site. David Feldberg Signature! Cool Stuff

[JR Stengele]

I am pumped that Feldberg has his own stamp now. This is a must buy even if I can't throw it...=)

[JR Stengele]

I am only seeing the Boss 1st run with the innova star on it and not feldberg signature. Where are you guys finding this one? Any websites you recommend? any under $25.00 or is that just what it is going for at this time?

[Jungle Tim]

I am pumped that Feldberg has his own stamp now. This is a must buy even if I can't throw it...=)

Me too! For me this is a MUST HAVE disc, but it is also MUST NEVER THROW disc as it is WAY to much disc for me!!

I like innova reccomendations too,

'Slower? try a destroyer' !

[tomjulio]

getting one too as I just need to prostitute myself out for an extra 14 bucks...

BUT, what's the thoughts on this fast wide rimmed sucker making a good thumber disc?

[petecarp]

its a fun fast disc to throw, but i think innova needs to add "for use with large hands only" because the rim on this thing is huge. for distance i throw forehand and am not able to get a good grip on the thing. but as a backhand disc its fine. thumber... i would assume the same grip problem as a forhand.

[trifocal]

I've started playing in June. I started with a pair of Leopards, moved up to Roadrunners, then a Beast and then about a month ago started throwing a pair of Wraiths. I've been liking the Wraiths in all kinds of wind. A couple weeks back I picked up a pair a T-Rex's. The T-Rex is fun but doesn't fly as well as the Wraith when tossing downwind. I'm throwing 260-280' on average.

A couple days ago the Disc guy at Glide (Madison, WI) turned me on to the Boss.

Oh, boy. I've had several 300 plus throws and one a shade under 350. I've buried my new Boss 15' up in trees that ...last week were not reachable for me.

I throw it backhand ... flat and hard (or slightly hyzer cuz it will turnover and not come back) and the thing just zips. It doesn't feel like a pig to me. I like it.

The one's they sell at Glide are 175's in Champion plastic and have a nifty Star stamp. 15 bucks.

[ERicJ]

I like innova reccomendations too,

'Slower? try a destroyer' !

"Not recommended for players who throw less than 300 feet."

--http://www.innovadiscs.com/discs/championBoss.html

[discflinger]

The one's they sell at Glide are 175's in Champion plastic and have a nifty Star stamp. 15 bucks.
Hook a brotha up, I can't wait to get my mitts on one.

[trifocal]

"Not recommended for players who throw less than 300 feet."

--http://www.innovadiscs.com/discs/championBoss.html

I guess its a good thing I don't read recommendations.

I'm wondering though...For the last week or so I've been working on turning my head back more and watching the disc as I reach back in my run/walk up. I'm thinking that I'm getting more upper body rotation and a more precise disc angle at release....which may be giving me the speed necessary to throw a high speed disc.

Whatever!? I am able to enjoy throwing the Boss and am getting 15-20% more distance in just 2 days of use. I guess it won't be everyones fav, but 40 feet longer means a lot for me.

[trifocal]

Hook a brotha up, I can't wait to get my mitts on one.

I'll get you Mike's #.

[garublador]

I'm wondering though...For the last week or so I've been working on turning my head back more and watching the disc as I reach back in my run/walk up. I'm thinking that I'm getting more upper body rotation and a more precise disc angle at release....which may be giving me the speed necessary to throw a high speed disc.Unless it's going 400'+ then you're probably just adding off-axis torque to get the disc to fly straigher for you.

[JR Stengele]

So back to my question fellas, does anyone have a good website with little to no shipping for the boss that is around $15.00 rather than $25.00? Any suggestions would help. Thanks ahead of time.

[sidewinding]

So back to my question fellas, does anyone have a good website with little to no shipping for the boss that is around $15.00 rather than $25.00? Any suggestions would help. Thanks ahead of time.

FYI. Just bought two at Play It Again Sprorts in South Austin for $13.99 each.

I called discnation first but they wanted $20.00 each plus $5.00 shipping.

Sorry, I guess that doesn't answer your question.

[JR Stengele]

No, that helps some since I do know where a play it again sports is. I just hope they sell them. Usually around where I am at they sell only dx with a few champion discs but nothing I need. Thanks. Anyone else???

[trifocal]

Glide Discs in Madison, WI.

Here is Mike B's #608-285-5190

www.glidediscgolf.com

This is a relatively new shop in town and the website is still under construction. I do not know if Mike ships or not, but it can't hurt to call.



????What the heck is off axis torque?

[trifocal]

What the heck is off axis torque?

I found the thread that covers OAT....pretty much describes my game...ouch

[iDisc]

So back to my question fellas, does anyone have a good website with little to no shipping for the boss that is around $15.00 rather than $25.00? Any suggestions would help. Thanks ahead of time.

http://www.everythingdiscgolf.com

[MockingScott]

This disc is compared better to a Wraith or Orc than to a Destroyer or X-Caliber.
It is not as over-stable. It has glide. It is FAST!
There are great reviews at the Clearwater Disc Golf Store site.
Add your own review after throwing it.
Most Pros are adding this to their bag immediately!
http://www.ClearwaterDiscGolfStore.com

[oakley doakley]

I used mine today and it really is fast. I have not thrown a Wraith in a really long time but would say it acts like a faster destroyer maybe a little more understable. The one I used is 173 and after I accidentally turned it over causing it to hit a big dump truck going the opposite way at 45MPH it flew great. Break it in a little and it will go no problem. I really like the DGA Rogue and would say that the Boss is more overstable then it but not much especially after hitting a dump truck. The XCaliber is a little too much for me. I like the Destroyer but this new Boss seems GREAT! It has found a place in the bag.
Just give me something this fast but more understable and less flippy then the Quarter K II and I will be in heaven.

[discflinger]

http://www.everythingdiscgolf.com

Out of stock. Damn it!

[sidewinding]

I bought one Friday and took it to a football field with 2 Wraiths, and a Destroyer, all Champions. I threw them each 8 times. The Boss went 10-15' farther than the Destroyer all 8 times. The Destroyer went 10-15' farther than the wraiths all 8 times. The stability is somewhere between the Wraith and The Destroyer.

[colombo117]

I'll stick to my EX's, XL's, and Avengers. I'll wait till I find one or try a buddies at league night. It's more disc than I need, but I am sure it will sell.

[discflinger]

I bought one Friday and took it to a football field with 2 Wraiths, and a Destroyer, all Champions. I threw them each 8 times. The Boss went 10-15' farther than the Destroyer all 8 times. The Destroyer went 10-15' farther than the wraiths all 8 times. The stability is somewhere between the Wraith and The Destroyer.

Sweeeeeet...

[colombo117]

Is the Boss Innova's responce to the Dicraft Force? Or is the Force a speed 12 disc more along the lines of a Destroyer or Xcal. I am just wondering if Discraft will respond with a even faster driver or Gateway maybe?

[oakley doakley]

Force is more Destroyer like I believe and came out right after it I think. I had one for a short time before I threw it in a pond and it seemed that way. I little less fade then destroyer. That damn boss really cuts threw the air and seems to really show off the faster speed of it. Even if you just throw a big hyzer spike it seems faster to me then a destroyer.

[stargator231]

i just ordered my tuseday and hopeing for it to be here tuesday or wensday

[discflinger]

It's wensday. Wen did it come? Sorry,couldn't help myself and I'm bored.

[joe-z]

just got mine on Monday but have not had a chance to go throw it yet,but I'm going out after work and today is not going fast enough

[sidewinding]

I played 10 rounds last weekend with the boss and it is by far the greatest disc ever made. It does not have excessive fade like an Xcaliber. It's pretty much a super fast wraith. It goes straight and long and is easy to throw. I bought my brother one for his birthday and he played 10 rounds with his also with similar results. I highly reccommend the Boss.

[stargator231]

i got my boss today. i only got to throw it for about 20 mins and it is by far my favorite disc in my bag along side the gator. The is disc is super supper fast. The boss for me flu really straight and had a nice fade to it. i recomend this disc to about anyone i can only throw like 330 max and disc is pretty easy to use and it still needs to be broken in

[tcecil]

I played 10 rounds last weekend with the boss and it is by far the greatest disc ever made. It does not have excessive fade like an Xcaliber. It's pretty much a super fast wraith. It goes straight and long and is easy to throw. I bought my brother one for his birthday and he played 10 rounds with his also with similar results. I highly reccommend the Boss.

It looks like the top molds/side profiles are very similar for orc-wraith-destroyer-boss.

There are also matching profiles in the sequence teeBird-teeRex-XCaliber.

My guess is that the next speed 13 disc will have the side profile of an x-caliber, e.g. a little thicker at the edge.

[trifocal]

I wonder if someone will ever try making a disc with a fluted profile...like the new shape that is used on the blades of the fan blades on wind farms. The newer blades are shaped similar to the tail fin of a whale or dolphin and generate more power with less effort. Wierd idea for a disc ...

[duain]

it reminds me of a pro wraith only faster and gets more distance.

[Jungle Tim]

min should be arriving on saturday, for my round on sunday morning, wahoo!! Im more excited than a kid at christmass!

[JR Stengele]

Just got mine last sunday and am pumped to throw it. The grip feels amazing.

[Lancelot527]

min should be arriving on saturday, for my round on sunday morning, wahoo!! Im more excited than a kid at christmass!

We're excited for you man! Get out there and have a ball. Just DON'T LOSE IT!

[Brody Cannon]

I've had a champion star stamp boss in my bag for a couple weeks now ($17) and I love it. I also picked up the feldberg stamp last weekend ($13). Both are about 172-173 grams and fly pretty much the same. I've taken them out to the football field at my school and thrown them in the 450-470 ft range a few times. The fly like a beat pro destroyer out of the gate but come back hard like a new destroyer when they lose speed. PERFECT disc for max distance! On a good throw, I'm gaining over 20 ft from the 4 destroyers I have in my bag (pro-champion)!!

Although I got mine locally, discgolfcenter.com has them for $13 + free shipping.

[tomjulio]

[QUOTE= I've taken them out to the football field at my school and thrown them in the 450-470 ft range a few times. .[/QUOTE]

football field=100yds=300 feet
300feet + 2x10yds for each end zone=360 feet...

450-470? you starting from the opposing teams lockers and landing in the adjacent baseball diamond?

[discflinger]

Went to the local shwag shop here in town just to hold one and, man, it felt fast. Broke down and ordered one, today, along with a med wizard and polecat from dgcenter. Sweet deal.

[garublador]

football field=100yds=300 feet
300feet + 2x10yds for each end zone=360 feet...

450-470? you starting from the opposing teams lockers and landing in the adjacent baseball diamond?It's a lot easier to estimate 100' past an endzone than it is without any sort or markings. Most people would be surprised how far they can throw if they're able to actually hit a distance line.

[JR Stengele]

By the way, the endzone is more like 15 yards on each side not 10 so driving the whole field is more like 390 feet which is really good.

[garublador]

By the way, the endzone is more like 15 yards on each side not 10 so driving the whole field is more like 390 feet which is really good.Not if it's a regulation sized, American football field. 10 yards per endzone is the standard.

[`cjc]

the endzones are ten yards in length (each) making a full football field throw 360 ft.

[Rbuzz9]

390 foot field would have to be a hybrid American/Canadian Football field

just to get the record straight:

American football field dimensions: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_football#Field_and_players

Canadian Football field is approx 450 feet (110yd field and 2 20yd endzones)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Canadian_football_field.png

[discflinger]

OMFG!!! I just got my boss in the mail and am instantly in love. Just when you think it's gonna bail, it just keeps truckin'. The lip did feel a bit big, but that will pass. Felt great for forhand, too. SWEEEET!!!

[atl scott]

Had my first boss ace the other day! I've been using it a lot lately, and bombing. I'm loving it.

[Jungle Tim]

my boss still hasnt arrived, it sucks living in Mexico sometimes.

[tomjulio]

Had my first boss ace the other day! I've been using it a lot lately, and bombing. I'm loving it.

Nice!
Yeah, my Boss has taken over my Surge ESP as my number 1 driver. Time to get a few more.

[atl scott]

Time to get a few more.

I bought 6 when when they first came out. Yeah, six. (I've sold two though...)

[Brody Cannon]

I would throw from the back of one end zone past the back of the other end zone (360 ft) and then I would step off the rest (+~100 ft). That is how I measured my distances.

[skinner]

just used my boss on a full round and shot a personal best -7 at rosedale park. I will keep this in my bag.

[swarren1977]

The champion Boss is everything it’s cracked up to be and then some. I throw predominantly sidearm, so the wide rim makes for a nice fit in the web of my hand. I beat my previous best drives on the first two holes I threw it on (both 300+). What made it great was that the added distance came without additional effort. It’s as if the disc is doing all the work; you’re just there to watch. It should be noted that this disc is not for the faint of heart. If you can’t drive 300+ ft, the Boss might not be the disc for you. At shorter distances it really likes to hyzer out.

As for the field length debate…if we’re talking about an American football field, the end zones are 10 yd making the entire length of the field including both end zones 120 yd or 360 ft. A Canadian football field has 20 yd end zones

[nygfaninva]

I had one in my hand, but thought better of buying it without knowing much about it. It sounds like its great for forehand, but has anyone used it backhand for an entire round? Hopw does the Boss preform for a backhand thrower?

[atl scott]

I throw mine backhand and forehand. It's a great disc either way. I'd say it adds 30' to my drives and is a lot straighter during flight than a destroyer or excalibur.

[sidewinding]

I had one in my hand, but thought better of buying it without knowing much about it. It sounds like its great for forehand, but has anyone used it backhand for an entire round? Hopw does the Boss preform for a backhand thrower?

The XCaliber is more high speed stable than the Boss and is therefore better for forehand. The Boss is more of a backhand disc. I think it's easier to throw straight than a Champion Wraith.

[magictenor1]

I love the wraith. Sounds like I need to get a boss.

[discflinger]

Everyone would do themselves a tremendous favor by getting a boss. BH, FH, this disc is straight $(as long as you have the hands and strength for this bad boy).

[AVenta]

http://www.discgolfcenter.com/main_displayProduct.php?p=438

I love this site. You can choose weight and color. Plus free shipping over $12....can't be beat!!!!!

[AVenta]

So back to my question fellas, does anyone have a good website with little to no shipping for the boss that is around $15.00 rather than $25.00? Any suggestions would help. Thanks ahead of time.

disc golf center http://www.discgolfcenter.com/main_displayProduct.php?p=438

Choose size and color....free shipping over $12! Gotta love it!

[leathercash]

This is great,I don't think I've heard one bad thing about the boss. Someone did say something on another thread about excess plastic around the edges and that's no biggie there. I'm going out and playing Anna Page west today and I'll give it a good launch and see what's up.:)

[leathercash]

Man,I played with the boss,it's a fine disc. I still need to throw it more. Played 54 holes yesterday...J-E-LL-O.

[sidewinding]

Discraft better step up it's game. They could'nt even compete with the destroyer. Now they're two down. They'll probably just come up with another new plastic blend instead.

[Jungle Tim]

Discraft better step up it's game. They could'nt even compete with the destroyer. Now they're two down. They'll probably just come up with another new plastic blend instead.

they didt even do that they jsut realeased some discs in z plastic that wernt previously avaliable.

and the boss is a freak. so soooo long. and awesome into a headwind. if you dont have one, dont get one so i can win!