Innova Python?

[valkyriefb11]

Does anyone know what current production discs are comparable to an old Innova python? I've got one thats getting pretty beat and I'd like to eventually replace it, but Im not sure what would be a good replacement for it.
Also is there a big difference between the Innova stingray and cobra when actually using them?
Thanks

-valkyriefb11

[iDisc]

stingray has more HSS than the cobra.

i think they still make pythons

[Three Putt]

Does anyone know what current production discs are comparable to an old Innova python? I've got one thats getting pretty beat and I'd like to eventually replace it, but Im not sure what would be a good replacement for it.
Also is there a big difference between the Innova stingray and cobra when actually using them?
Thanks

-valkyriefb11That depends on the Cobra. If it is the Ontario Cobra that has been in production for years, it will be more overstable that a Stingray. The Stingray is flippy with a lot of glide, the Ontario Corbra is more straightline stable with more fade and less glide. However, the Ontario Cobra just went OOP. All the new Cobras will be the original "classic" Cobra, which is a lot more like a Stingray. It will still be somewhat more stable than a Stingray, but the discs are a lot closer than they used to be.

The Python had two versions. One was really understable, like a faster Stingray. One was more overstable, kind of in-between a Raven and a Viper but closer to a Viper. It has been out of production for nine or 10 years.

Really all those slow, big diameter driver are dead and gone. The Python, Raven, Ram, Scorpion, Barracuda, Marauder, Shadow. Tracer...all gone. From that era of drivers the Stingray, Eclipse and Viper are about all that is left. If you are really set on that type of disc, Lightning is your company. They still make all those big diameter drivers. If you want something that flies like the state of the art circa 1994, check out a # 3 Driver or a # 1 Hookshot. ;)

[Donald Smith]

I found a Champion Python in the creek today. It has one big nick and a smaller one, but it still flies. It has a first name, but no phone number so it's in my collection now. I can't find any Innova ratings for it.

Got any idea what the rating is?

Thanks,
Don

[Midnightbiker]

stingray has more HSS than the cobra.

i think they still make pythons

I think you got that backwards. The Cobra is more stable than the Stingray.

[Three Putt]

I found a Champion Python in the creek today. It has one big nick and a smaller one, but it still flies. It has a first name, but no phone number so it's in my collection now. I can't find any Innova ratings for it.

Got any idea what the rating is?

Thanks,
DonBy "Champion Python" I'm assuming a DX disc that says "Innova-Champion" on the stamp. The Python went out of production probably five or six years before there was such a thing as Champion plastic.

The Python also went OOP long before there was such a thing as flight ratings. It would have been Speed 5 for sure. Probably a Glide 4. The other numbers kinda depend on the version you have.

[Donald Smith]

3Putt,

You may be right about the "Innova Champion", I'll have to take a look the next time I open my car's trunk. I've only thrown it a couple of times, it flies straight, and doesn't have a lot of fade. I'll have to throw it along with my Leopard, but it sure seemed to fly farther than my Leopards do. It weighs 179, which is heavier than my Leopards.

Don

[Three Putt]

I suppose it should be faster than Speed 5 now that I think about it.

The Python had a really big rim. Basically there were a lot of large-diameter drivers on the market in the early 90's but around '93-'94 the Whippet, Cyclone, Gazelle and B-25 Mitchell all came out. Those were really the 1st generation of successful small diameter drivers. Pretty much after that all of the new drivers you saw were small diameter discs. The Python also came out around that time, and it was revolutionary in a way in that the rim was really big for the time. Most drivers back then had a 1.5 or 1.6 cm wing, but the Python wing was 1.9 cm. It's not so big compared to a Boss, but in 1994 it was huge. So really it was a glimpse into the future of where driver design was going, but it was a dead end because it was on a large diameter disc. It would take five or six years before they put a wing that big on a small diameter driver, and that was the Valkyrie. By the time the Valkyrie came out, the Python was long gone and forgotten. The large diameter driver was dead by then.

Anyway, that huge wing probably makes it a tick faster than the other 21.7 cm diameter drivers. It's probably at least a Speed 6, maybe a Speed 7.

[billnchristy]

#3 driver in the right hands is a sight to behold.

[Three Putt]

A #3 Driver in the right hands is a floating thing a beauty. They glide for miles. It's really a shame that people dismiss Lightning Discs. They have some good discs. Anybody who wishes they could still get a Scorpions or Raven or any of the old big diameter drivers should be checking out Lightning Discs.