Course courtesy gripe: allowing play-through

[gcoghill]

It really bugs me when I am out playing solo or with one other player, and we get behind a group of people who are either goofing around or just plain bad players and they don't ask if you want to play through.

I got trapped behind a group of four or five guys today who were slooooooow, missing all their putts, throwing wild drives, etc. I had to wait for about 5-10 minutes per tee for them to wrap up. A few of them looked back in my direction, so I know they knew I was there. Not to mention they were screaming and yelling like idiots every time a disc left their hand, regardless of the quality of the throw. Sheesh. :mad: I even tried just practicing my putts after finishing up a hole, but it was like these guys goofed around more when I wasn't right behind them.

I always try to let other players with less in the group play through, especially if I am with people that I know will take longer or might need to do a lot of searching for errant throws.

Anybody have a suggestion for how to approach groups like this? A good percentage of the time others are completely aware and courteous in these situations, but today I had an extra 45 minutes added on to my play time just waiting for these guys, and that's on top of a 1.5+ hour drive each way to this course for me. Annoying to say the least.

[timg]

I will normally drive when they are out of range which allows me to catch up at the next tee (as well as put a little pressure on them). At that point, they will either offer to let you play through or I just ask if I can. I've only had to ask to play through a handful of times as most players are courteous enough to ask.

[Innovadude]

Just yell and ask, it's not rude to yell when they are throwing if they are making you wait. Many courses even have signs explaining that you should allow players through. it's common courtesy in ball golf too.

[ERicJ]

I will normally drive when they are out of range which allows me to catch up at the next tee...
I used to try that... but I've gotten better lately and on many of the courses I play now most of the baskets are reachable off the tee... so there goes that strategy.

Just yell out "Hey guys, do you mind if I/we play through?"

ERic

[Wildcattamer]

I play most of the time solo. I find if they let me play thru. I play faster and throw alot of bad shots. I recently I got behind a munch of guys. I told them I stay behind and played better for doing so. I will add they did asked me to play on thru but I declined the offer. I told them I wanted to get a sense of timing down. Like it said I played better.

[adam423]

Anybody have a suggestion for how to approach groups like this?
Throw discs at them. -2 for a headshot.
I play most of the time solo. I find if they let me play thru. I play faster and throw alot of bad shots. I recently I got behind a munch of guys. I told them I stay behind and played better for doing so. I will add they did asked me to play on thru but I declined the offer. I told them I wanted to get a sense of timing down. Like it said I played better.
I do that too, when I play in front of people, I tend to rush things to try and stay out of their way and have drives going all over the place.

[The Valkyrie Kid]

You were playing a group of 4-5 players? On my last time, there was a 10 player group playing doubles, an 8 player group playing and a 7 player group playing. Luckily, they weren't all playing the same color layout that I was. My home course has numerous courses marked or unmarked so I didn't haven't to play through all of them but often had to wait for them to pass through, like a small herd of bison. That's why golf courses limit their groups to four. Try getting getting through all those mobs. I'm usually playing solo so I'm OK asking to play through. And most players are OK if you ask. I've found the ones who don't offer are usually teens who just don't understand course etiqueete. How in the hell do you spell etiquete?

[Midnightbiker]

I say just ask. Some people (especially young people ) now days , don't think to be courteous. All you can do is ask.

[33tango]

You were playing a group of 4-5 players? On my last time, there was a 10 player group playing doubles, an 8 player group playing and a 7 player group playing. Luckily, they weren't all playing the same color layout that I was. My home course has numerous courses marked or unmarked so I didn't haven't to play through all of them but often had to wait for them to pass through, like a small herd of bison. That's why golf courses limit their groups to four. Try getting getting through all those mobs. I'm usually playing solo so I'm OK asking to play through. And most players are OK if you ask. I've found the ones who don't offer are usually teens who just don't understand course etiqueete. How in the hell do you spell etiquete?

etiquette
One entry found.

Main Entry: et·i·quette
Pronunciation: \ˈe-ti-kət, -ˌket\
Function: noun
Etymology: French étiquette, literally, ticket — more at ticket
Date: 1750
: the conduct or procedure required by good breeding or prescribed by authority to be observed in social or official life

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/etiquette

So I'm playing my local course today, on #15 walking to 16. There's a guy walking with his GF (wearing heels!) carrying his sack, towards #16's tee, coming from #4's basket. He's not playing the course in order, yet he feels the need to step ahead of me and tee off. Then he asks if I want to play through....

I shouldn't complain, but isn't it normal for people NOT playing the course in sequence to defer to people who are? Maybe I'm expecting too much.

In the same round a group of 3 teens messing around knew the proper etiquette and actually waited for me at #9 so I could play through.

[Midnightbiker]

What kind of heels was she wearing?

[33tango]

Black, 2-3 inch heel and blue jeans... Not the best footwear for navigating our course.... If you can get a girl to carry your sack then I don't imagine their footwear is an issue.

[Geoffro]

Black, 2-3 inch heel and blue jeans... Not the best footwear for navigating our course.... If you can get a girl to carry your sack then I don't imagine their footwear is an issue.

I know that girl...disc golf groupie. You can always tell a sack-carrier when you see one.

[The Valkyrie Kid]

Thank you professor Tango.

[adam423]

Haha, I took a few friends out to a course who had never played before. A group of 3 guys and 2 girls came up behind us and were moving faster so we let them play through. The 3 guys were actually playing, the girls were just carrying a disc in their hand, and talked the whole time. I never once saw them throw. Don't think they were wearing high heels though...

[valkyriefb11]

I totally agree that it is always courteous to let smaller groups or individuals play through, but I have to say that it is also courteous to ask to play through and not just tee off. I can't stand it when people just walk up and tee off while I'm still playing a hole. I have been nearly hit several times by people's errant tee offs because they couldn’t wait/ask to play through. My friends and I will often take our younger siblings DGing with us in the evenings so we often end up going pretty slow ... in these instances we always let people just play through us. When I play alone, I do generally ask to play through groups of people, and I've found more often than not most people are pretty courteous and don’t mind. But there are always those few people who just act like jerks …
-FB

[valkyriefb11]

etiquette
One entry found.

Main Entry: et·i·quette
Pronunciation: \ˈe-ti-kət, -ˌket\
Function: noun
Etymology: French étiquette, literally, ticket — more at ticket
Date: 1750
: the conduct or procedure required by good breeding or prescribed by authority to be observed in social or official life

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/etiquette

lol!

[tomjulio]

Man, besides littering, this one is near my top of the list too, luckily it rarely happens.

ALTHOUGH, two weeks ago I was alone and had a group of five "hacks" playing ahead of me and just not letting me play through. They were drinking throwing multiple discs, etc. Finally we got to a 200 foot dog leg right blind basket (hole 7 at Beast in Ludington). I knew they were dinking around the basket as I heard about ten discs hit the chains. They couldn't see me, nor I them, and I said "f-it" and tee'd off.

I know this hole inside and out and threw a thumber up over the trees. It disappeared then suddenly I heard a thump and a WHOAH from all of them. I walked around the dog leg and there they all stood around the basket with my disk a foot from it. I put it between three of them and the basket.

Needless to say they let me play through the next hole.

[ERicJ]

ALTHOUGH, two weeks ago I was alone and had a group of five "hacks" playing ahead of me and just not letting me play through. They were drinking throwing multiple discs, etc. Finally we got to a 200 foot dog leg right blind basket (hole 7 at Beast in Ludington). I knew they were dinking around the basket as I heard about ten discs hit the chains. They couldn't see me, nor I them, and I said "f-it" and tee'd off.

I know this hole inside and out and threw a thumber up over the trees. It disappeared then suddenly I heard a thump and a WHOAH from all of them. I walked around the dog leg and there they all stood around the basket with my disk a foot from it. I put it between three of them and the basket.
So you knew there was a group of human beings standing around the basket, you know the hole inside and out, and you essentially threw right at them...? :(

[gcoghill]

Sometimes I will play through, but like I said these guys were kind of rowdy and I was unsure of how that might play out. Funny, some teenagers were in front of me (and I think they must have let the rowdy guys play through as well) and those guys were the ones that were cool and let me play through without asking.

I usually just politely wait at the tee behind a group if they have already thrown, I won't throw while someone is on a hole because I don't want that happening when I play (Golden Rule etc.). I will, if I catch up with a group, ask to play through. I probably should have just asked these yahoos, but they seemed a bit shady so I kept my distance.

And the point about having to hurry up on a hole: I agree there 100%, I usually throw the worst drive of the round when I am given the opportunity to play through :eek: - trying to get out of their way, rushing the throw. But usually I like to not have to wait, it throws off my game if I am sitting around too long (for some reason).

Typically I will just hit the 18th basket (or practice basket) and wait for other groups to get far enough ahead (or play the back nine first), but in this case I was racing the sunset so I just went out and played as soon as I got to the course.

I have yet to see high heels on the course though ;)

[tomjulio]

So you knew there was a group of human beings standing around the basket, you know the hole inside and out, and you essentially threw right at them...? :(

no, I said I heard about ten discs(for five players) hit the basket then silence. never a courtesy "clear" when they were done.

...but to call them human beings would have given them too much credit as they were the same group that has been littering on that course all summer long.

[JR Stengele]

Just yell and ask, it's not rude to yell when they are throwing if they are making you wait. Many courses even have signs explaining that you should allow players through. it's common courtesy in ball golf too.

I totally agree, they need to show common courtesy and move aside.

[Marv Vega]

They should ask you if you'd like to play through, common courtesy. I don't think it's rude to ask to play through if you're with a smaller, faster group either. When there's a larger group in front of us, we usually just jump a hole ahead and come back and play that hole later in the round.

[trifocal]

I was playing at Hiestand Pk yesterday (solo) and got stuck behind a group of 2 playing behind a group of 4. The 4 guys were not really playing disc golf...more like throwing plastic in the general direction of the basket and multiple throws at that.

What they didn't realize was that they had the whole course backed up. Ridiculously slow.

On # 4, I caught an interesting group at the tee. Grandpa, grandma, grown daughter, grand-daughter ( 6...maybe 7 years old) and grandson ( 4 ?).

They asked me to go ahead and play through...they admited to being very slow. The little girl was playing. lol, she could throw like 40 feet, bless her heart. The 4 year old was walking unaided. (Hiestand is kinda hilly) Grandma and grandpa were throwing also, but their daughter was just walking and keeping an eye on her son. Nice people.

Anyway...the group of 4 ( young men...early 20's) causing the bottleneck were playing so slow...I kid you not...that a grandpa, grandma and a 6 year old girl were catching me at nearly every tee. The kids were sweet and I taught the girl the power grip (and grandpa). The boy was going through my bag pulling out discs in his favorite color...blue.

The familiy made what would have been a maddenly slow round fun.

[discflinger]

That's really cool. I love seeing families on the course, too.

[swellerdiscgolf]

RAN INTO THIS PROBLEM TODAY AT MUNDEN POINT. WE CAUGHT UP ON #8 THEY WERE ON #9 (8 PLAYS OUT ON TO AN ISTHMUS AND 9 PLAYS BACK IN) IT WAS THREE OF US AND 7 OF THEM, 2 ADULTS 2 OLDER TEENS, AND 3 LITTLE KIDS. ONE ADULT WAVED US THROUGH, BUT NONE OF THE KIDS WERE PAYING ATTENTION SO WE HAD TO WAIT. THEY FINALLY TOLD THE KIDS TO STOPM PLAYING AND THAT SPED THEM UP QUITE A BIT. BUT THIS COURSE IS OUT IN THE BOONIES AND IT TAKES AT LEAST 30MIN TO GET THERE FROM ANY KIND OF CIVILIZATION SO I WOLD HAVE LIKED TO PLAY THROUGH AND MAYBE GET IN A SECOND ROUND

MY DAD PLAYS BALL GOLF :( (CAN'T CONVERT HIM) AND SAID COMMON COURTESY SAYS TO LET PEOPLE PLAY THROUGH, BUT IF THEY DON'T LET YOU, YOU SHOULD JUST GRIN AND BEAR IT. ALL THE MORE REASON TO PLAY DISC GOLF :)

[atl scott]

I play a lot of solo rounds and my home course is prone to backups. It is only 9 holes and usually has a fair amount of large groups as well as new or otherwise slow players out. I tend to play very fast in general and it gets me going pretty quick to have to sit and wait for several holes in a row while people play multiple discs, etc. There are just a lot of idiots out there.

[DirtyMittenDG]

They should ask you if you'd like to play through, common courtesy. I don't think it's rude to ask to play through if you're with a smaller, faster group either. When there's a larger group in front of us, we usually just jump a hole ahead and come back and play that hole later in the round.

2nd that

[Midnightbiker]

If we want this sport to become more popular, we are going to have to deal with back ups and new players. Also, if you see someone who needs help, offer it to them. I was very happy to see a family out playing today. Mom and Dad, and preteen, and a little kid were playing together. I was watching them as I was leaving and the preteen made a really nice 40 ft putt. He as jumping up and down and looked very happy.

[valkyriefb11]

I think the important thing here is to discern between a group of people who are new and really don't know how to play and those who are just being fools on the course. These people are generally pretty nice, and willing to let you play through them. Then there are the people who are just fooling around, dont care, and are just plain rude. As reps of the sport its important we welcome the former types of people and help them learn the sport. I think we all have stories of teaching families how to play and getting them started with the hopes that they continue to play. With the latter, we just have to grin and bear it and find ways to play around them.

[brokenfixed]

My wife and I always let people go ahead of us, just so we're not rushed and my wifes still self-concious about throwing in front of people (even though she rules). If theres a bigger group ahead we'll just hang back 1 hole just to give them some room to finish, but lately we've been gaining distance on our throws so its hard to not wanna play through.

I say if no ones showing you respect you shouldnt show them respect. If you gotta throw one to wake them up....go for it. A lot of times people dont know theyre being inconsiderate and need a reminder. It might just change the way they play from now on.

[sidewinding]

The slower group should finish the hole they are on, then wait at the next tee pad and let the faster group pass by letting them tee off first.

I hate it when I catch a slow group and they are all scattered in the middle of a fairway and one of them waves me to tee off and he does'nt even know if everyone in his group has seen me yet. I will normally yell "no, go ahead" and they will continue on. The problem is instead of waiting at the next tee pad for me to pass, they will all tee off again and then start spreading out through the fairway again. When this happens I will generally take a break for a while and let them get ahead pretty far.

[magictenor1]

I hate to play slow so I will usually ask to play thru. Everyone should always allow faster groups to go ahead. It's a pet peeve of mine for sure.

[leathercash]

Ug,this sorta thing happens all the time at the courses I play. I will usually do what most others have already suggested. But what helps me out alot is just practicing the same hole over,and over again,while waiting for the next hole to be clear. Of course,you can't always do that if it's packed out and there's peeps behind you,but none the less,it's helped me calm down before.

[DirtyMittenDG]

I say if no ones showing you respect you shouldnt show them respect. If you gotta throw one to wake them up....go for it. A lot of times people dont know theyre being inconsiderate and need a reminder. It might just change the way they play from now on.

round my parts, if you hit someone with a disc (wether on purpose or not)
they automatically keep the disc!!! Ive never been on either side of this situation but ive seen it happen twice, both times they got hit in the body and then picked up the disc, flashed it in the air, and kept walking. Both times the people who threw it didnt argue either. Its almost like an unwritten rule around here!!

[brokenfixed]

round my parts, if you hit someone with a disc (wether on purpose or not)
they automatically keep the disc!!! Ive never been on either side of this situation but ive seen it happen twice, both times they got hit in the body and then picked up the disc, flashed it in the air, and kept walking. Both times the people who threw it didnt argue either. Its almost like an unwritten rule around here!!

Around my way you'd be pretty stupid to pick up a disc, walk away without turning around and expect nothing to happen.

[gcoghill]

round my parts, if you hit someone with a disc (wether on purpose or not) they automatically keep the disc!!!

I think at my course there would be an altercation if this happened:) Although I have never seen someone get hit nor hit someone myself.

Although I did get hit by a friend who was goofing around, and I turned to face him just as the disc left his hand. Ouch. I didn't keep his disc ;)

[taxman]

I say if no ones showing you respect you shouldnt show them respect. If you gotta throw one to wake them up....go for it. A lot of times people dont know theyre being inconsiderate and need a reminder. It might just change the way they play from now on.

round my parts, if you hit someone with a disc (wether on purpose or not)
they automatically keep the disc!!! Ive never been on either side of this situation but ive seen it happen twice, both times they got hit in the body and then picked up the disc, flashed it in the air, and kept walking. Both times the people who threw it didnt argue either. Its almost like an unwritten rule around here!!

Around my way you'd be pretty stupid to pick up a disc, walk away without turning around and expect nothing to happen.

I work in a courthouse; I can tell you that if the person hit with a disc decides they want to press charges you would be in a world of trouble. The charge would be Assault, or Malicious Violence, or whatever you have on the books in your state. In this day and age where people are so willing to sue and a jury is so willing to grant a guilty verdict I would NEVER throw a disc in a situation where I thought it could hit someone. If all they do is take your disc you should be great full. Not that I condone theft either.

Letting a slower group play through is a courtesy not a rule. If a slower group doesn’t let you play through you need to just relax and deal with it, there may be a reason. They want to finish there game as quickly as possible, just like you. My personal opinion is to let slower golfers pass, I feel less pressured that way. But I have been in a group of 12 (3 groups of 4 really) that wanted to finish quickly and didn’t let others play through.

As a boy scout I was taught to respect others and be courteous to others. That means that if I see a quicker group coming up behind me I’ll be courteous and let them play through. And if I am behind a slower group and they don’t offer to let me play through I’ll respect there decision and have patience.


lecture over, sorry

[DannyM]

I agree with ya Taxman...it is a courtesy NOT a rule. Those of us that do let faster players through when we are in a larger group, are just paying attention. Some groups may be clueless, or just don't know that this is expected. Other times, there may be a group just like thiers in front, so you have a group slowing down a group. It is frustrating...you get into a "rythum" and then have to sit and wait. But, sadly Disc golf has it's ups and downs...just be greatful that the sport is growing, and if there are holdups, more people are finding out about the sport and getting involved, possibly getting more opportunities to get more courses in the area!

[brokenfixed]

just to clarify, I wasnt talking about mowing dudes down with my driver. Im just talking about when youre down field and a disc lands near you, you pick up your head and move. As far as the lawsuits are concerned...I try not to live my life in fear of being sued. I'll deal with those problems if/when that time comes. I dont think about all the criminal charges that could be brought upon me when I'm living my everyday life, and I like it that way.

[Lewis]

I play a lot of solo rounds and my home course is prone to backups. It is only 9 holes and usually has a fair amount of large groups as well as new or otherwise slow players out. I tend to play very fast in general and it gets me going pretty quick to have to sit and wait for several holes in a row while people play multiple discs, etc. There are just a lot of idiots out there.

I take it you're talking about Oregon Park. I play there a lot myself, and I'm pretty sure I've never had this problem: everyone I've ever come up behind at Oregon Park has always offered to let me play through, without my having to request it. Even the teenagers.

And I like it that way. I've always preferred to play extremely fast (I've been known to lap people) in spite of my mediocre skills, and it drives me to frustration when I have to wait for other groups. I'd MUCH rather play through, because I know I'll be two holes ahead by the time the slower group finishes the hole where they waited for me. If you're playing faster from behind, you're not going to hold them up playing faster from in front.

While I've sometimes been tempted to throw at other players, I just can't bring myself to do it. I'd rather wait until they're out of range, rush my current hole, and walk up to greet them as they're still teeing off on the next hole. That's almost always a strong enough hint that they offer to let me play through. :D

[atl scott]

I take it you're talking about Oregon Park. I play there a lot myself, and I'm pretty sure I've never had this problem: everyone I've ever come up behind at Oregon Park has always offered to let me play through, without my having to request it. Even the teenagers.

I am talking about Oregon. I have this problem all the time. People are oblivious. I often request to go through (even large groups of like 6) and sometimes get attitude. I usually just skip a couple holes ahead. Really I have just learned not to even attempt to play there during a high usage time, like the weekend.

I'd rather wait until they're out of range, rush my current hole, and walk up to greet them as they're still teeing off on the next hole. That's almost always a strong enough hint that they offer to let me play through. :D

This often doesn't work.

[atl scott]

The slower group should finish the hole they are on, then wait at the next tee pad and let the faster group pass by letting them tee off first.

I hate it when I catch a slow group and they are all scattered in the middle of a fairway and one of them waves me to tee off and he does'nt even know if everyone in his group has seen me yet. I will normally yell "no, go ahead" and they will continue on. The problem is instead of waiting at the next tee pad for me to pass, they will all tee off again and then start spreading out through the fairway again. When this happens I will generally take a break for a while and let them get ahead pretty far.

You shouldn't blame another group that offered to let you play through if you declined. There isn't anything wrong with playing through a group in the middle of a hole. It often helps the flow of the play-through as the group ahead can be playing while you are walking to where your drive landed, etc. There isn't much chance of them being hit as at least one of them is aware and will be watching to alert the others if your disc comes close. What, do you want a notarized consent from all the players in the group ahead before you play through?:D

[atl scott]

I work in a courthouse; I can tell you that if the person hit with a disc decides they want to press charges you would be in a world of trouble. The charge would be Assault, or Malicious Violence, or whatever you have on the books in your state.

Accidentally hitting someone with a disc doesn't mean you'll have legal trouble. You shouldn't give legal advice unless you are a lawyer or judge. Just because you work at NASA doesn't mean you could go to the moon. :eek:

[DirtyMittenDG]

If you gotta throw one to wake them up....go for it.

round my parts, if you hit someone with a disc (wether on purpose or not) they automatically keep the disc!!! both times they got hit in the body and then picked up the disc, flashed it in the air, and kept walking. Both times the people who threw it didnt argue either.

Around my way you'd be pretty stupid to pick up a disc, walk away without turning around and expect nothing to happen.

are you kidding me??? You think its ok to hit someone with a disc because their playing slow and didnt ask you if you want to play through?? Then you say, "theyd be pretty stupid to pick up your disc and walk away"??

A lot of times people dont know theyre being inconsiderate and need a reminder. It might just change the way they play from now on.

What gives you the right to hit someone with a disc (intentionally) and then not expect them to take your disc? Then you also think you have the right to confront that person about taking your disc (after you hit them with it)?

you must be a "tough guy" huh? You just better be careful who your throwing discs at! I have a feeling your gonna throw and hit the "wrong guy" one of these days!!

[Midnightbiker]

Damn!

[valkyriefb11]

Oh burn!

[gcoghill]

90% of the time when I run into this situation, people are courteous. I think most of the jackasses are just as someone else mentioned: guys out there goofing off. And the last thing on their mind is courtesy.

I can say that I have never had to deal with this from two groups of people: those with multiple discs, or those with disc bags. It's usually a bunch of guys with one disc each, throwing wild and goofing around with each other after every single freakin' throw.

I guess it just boils down to the fact that you are going to run into inconsiderate jerks no matter where you go.

[tstockt]

I was out two weeks ago behind a group of 6 high school aged kids. I caught up to them on the third tee box and asked to play through. They looked puzzled and said ok. As I was about to take my second shot I saw a disc cruise by about 15 feet to my left. The little pricks went ahead and fired away. This has never happened to me before in either ball or disc golf.

[maniak]

It really bugs me when I am out playing solo or with one other player, and we get behind a group of people who are either goofing around or just plain bad players and they don't ask if you want to play through.

Come to Canada, hardly anyone here plays! :)

[cpaquette]

Okay, while I can appreciate both sides of the argument, I am in concurrence with 90% of the responses on here indicating that it's best to avoid the conflict and be patient. Granted there are often groups of people that play with 5, 6, 7 or even more players in a group... Yikes...
However, if you are in that big of a hurry and ask them "POLITELY" if you could possibly play through, I'm certain you would not meet any objections.

On the other hand, on occasion I like to throw more than one disc on several shots that I have on the course to increase my shot proficiency.

That being said if someone were to throw a disc without warning into my group "to send a message" let alone hit me with a disc, I would not hesitate for one second kick that person's ass.

My advice for the impatient disc golfer is; perhaps you may want to consider a different sport or pastime. Half of the allure of this sport is finding enjoyment out of being outdoors and enjoying every second of it.

Final note, you'll discover that you get much farther with sugar than salt... If you ask people if they mind if you play through as you're strapped for time, I can assure you that you'll meet ZERO objections...

[atl scott]

I can assure you that you'll meet ZERO objections...

Oh can you now...? :rolleyes:

[brokenfixed]

are you kidding me??? You think its ok to hit someone with a disc because their playing slow and didnt ask you if you want to play through?? Then you say, "theyd be pretty stupid to pick up your disc and walk away"??



What gives you the right to hit someone with a disc (intentionally) and then not expect them to take your disc? Then you also think you have the right to confront that person about taking your disc (after you hit them with it)?

you must be a "tough guy" huh? You just better be careful who your throwing discs at! I have a feeling your gonna throw and hit the "wrong guy" one of these days!!

Dude?...I love how you quote the parts you wanna argue with and leave all the rest that say "im not talking about mowing people down with my driver"

Stop trying to read through the lines here....I never said anything close to hitting people with discs on purpose. Im saying some people need to get a reminder that people are waiting. If people are dicking around and not showing me any respect then I wont show them any. I wait for groups all the time. if theyre playing serious and just getting through the hole then everythings straight.

I play really long woodsy courses most of the time and often get maybe 3 strokes in before I realize theres another person playing the same hole. (It happens to me as well.) I'll give and hand up and wait where I am. Ive had discs land next to me before, no harm no foul...I know someones behind me and I'll let them play by me, or make it to the basket to let them pass because theyre obviously faster than me.

On to the other "controversy"

I think that if you pick up a disc that just hit you, not knowing whether on purpose or not, you wave it in the air and keep it....YOURE trying to be a "tough guy" and deserve to get your teeth knocked out, plain and simple

Now you can call me what you will, but if someone is trying to take my property and think its ok....they got another thing coming.

I dont care where your from, or what little rules you invented at your home course

(WARNING, THE FOLLOWING IS AN EXAMPLE OF MY PERSONAL SARCASM...BEWARE!!)

NOW.....If I threw it on purpose and hit him, the guy should probably give me $20 right there on the spot because I'd deserve it for making that kinda shot...haha Lets be realistic here, Im not hitting you unless youre 30' away and doing a handstand...BUT in any case he reserves the right to call my mother a whore, and possibly end it with a shoving match, just before handing me back my disc.

Now if I myself got hit with a disc....I'd take a look at the guy throwing it and judge whether he meant it or not, if he's laughing about it, I'd pick up his disc, return it to his hands....AND BEAT HIM IN THE FACE WITH MY HUGE MANLY FISTS!!

[sidewinding]

I generally take each "getting hit" incident on a case by case basis. I will look at the person who hit me and if they're scrawny and weak I will punch them in the mouth a few times while calling them names and then take their disc and walk away all cocky. If they're big and strong I will raise a hand, smile and say "that's alright, I should'nt have been dicking around".

[magictenor1]

I generally take each "getting hit" incident on a case by case basis. I will look at the person who hit me and if they're scrawny and weak I will punch them in the mouth a few times while calling them names and then take their disc and walk away all cocky. If they're big and strong I will raise a hand, smile and say "that's alright, I should'nt have been dicking around". Are you planning to run for office anytime soon?

[sidewinding]

Are you planning to run for office anytime soon?

I'm about to leave my office and run and get some lunch and then play a quick round at this "Roc course" (http://www.dgcoursereview.com/course.php?id=929&mode=ci).

[DirtyMittenDG]

I dont care where your from, or what little rules you invented at your home course

well, if you ever come to the Detroit/Flint area to disc you better respect those "little rules" otherwise ya might just find your self in a confrontation you didnt want to be in :D:cool:

lol

[Brokensaint]

One of the beauties of this sport is the relaxed, friendly environment. Out of doors, enjoying the zen of a smoothly (or not so smoothly sometimes) thrown aerofoil. The absence of jock <donkeys> with little or no patience, courtesy or regard. I play with my kids, ages 11 and 12, sometimes, and yes, they have thrown from the tee while the group ahead is still on the fairway. Holy christ, unleash the dogs! We are also slow moving sometimes, forcing the group behind us to take a seat and wait 3 minutes while we clear our putts and move on. We always approach these situations with courtesy. Of course we allow through-play. Most times we will take a seat and let the group behind us catch up and then play through so that they do not have to wait, and we don't feel rushed. Having said all of that, I do this out of courtesy. If my group is taking a little longer, for whatever reason, the next group shouldn't feel put out because they had to wait. Likewise, if I am behind a group that is taking a while, I will ask to play through, or just take it one hole past them. I guess the moral of this story is this: It's a gentleman's (or womans, as it may be) sport, with a gentleman's rules and etiquette. If you are a surly jock <donkey>, play football. As a final note, if someone were to try and take my disc, or moreso one of my boy's, because they mistakenly threw too soon, I would be the surly jock <donkey> in that situation.

[agentdozzer]

Lets see if i dont get a four and i get hit i would be a little mad but dont think i would fight over it. If someone tried to take my disc they would be met at the parking lot by the police or there home i would get there license plate. That is stealing and most people dont mess with me cause my dog. He isnt huge and he isnt a pit but he looks like a killer when really he would just lick them. HA you guys are getting hype over alot of what ifs.

[Geoffro]

I understand and can relate to the frustration about waiting to tee-off, especially with groups of people oblivious to those behind them - but I do hesitate a bit when I read posts about physical violence. This is disc golf, for crying out loud. Even if I were hit by a 180g disc on purpose - for any reason - I would want to have a discussion with the person that threw it. Worst case - a bunch of drunken college guys out to reaffirm their masculinity by making me give them the fairway. If that's the case - what am I out? My masculinity isn't a question in my book, and I don't need to prove it to anyone.

Bottom line: if someone is so desperate to prove their validity as a person by passing me up on a disc golf course (whether they hit me or not) - its a sad commentary on their life. I see it that way, let them pass, and continue to enjoy my walk in the woods. I love DG, and I won't permit my experience to be tainted by those that make it an ego issue.

[brokenfixed]

well, if you ever come to the Detroit/Flint area to disc you better respect those "little rules" otherwise ya might just find your self in a confrontation you didnt want to be in :D:cool:

lol

Yeah, Im sure everyones dying to follow that "free disc if hit rule"...haha...I might have to do a setup mission over in the detroit area and build up my bag.

AHAHH....IM HIT....IM DOWN!!...GEORGE TAKE THE MANS DISC, THIS ONES GONNA BRUISE!

Im quite sure that you dont speak on behalf of everyone that plays disc golf in Michigan. Though I must admit Im pretty amused with hearing your recess talk. So until you and your bros get around to writing your own constitution the only rules I'll be following when I frequent your hot spots will be ones written on signs. And if the higher ups in your disc golf posse dont like that, I guess I'll worry about that when the time comes..haha.

[DirtyMittenDG]

dawg, all it really comes down to is this..... If you want to pass someone, the right way to do it is ask to play ahead at the next hole or just skip that hole and go to the next! Throwing your disc at someone and risk injuring them only because you want them to play faster is a "d!ck move"! (I think most of the people on this site can agree with that) And what i'm saying is, if you come to my area and throw discs at people because you want them to play faster, you WILL meet a confrontation every time you do it!! But maybe your just an angry person and you use "slow/newb/non-serious" players as an excuse to get in a confrontation or fight, if thats the case well so be it but like I said I have a feeling your gonna throw your disc at the "wrong guy" one of these days!

[atl scott]

Throwing your disc at someone and risk injuring them only because you want them to play faster is a "d!ck move"!

As is playing really slowly and not letting someone play through... which is the point of this thread!

[DGtourist]

As is playing really slowly and not letting someone play through... which is the point of this thread!

Dude, pa-leeze.

playing slow and not allowing people to play through is not even near as close as a dick move as chucking plastic at them. NOT. EVEN. CLOSE.

[atl scott]

Dude, pa-leeze.

playing slow and not allowing people to play through is not even near as close as a dick move as chucking plastic at them. NOT. EVEN. CLOSE.

Pay attention! No one said they were chucking plastic at anyone. As aforementioned starting a hole while the group ahead is practicing putting with several different discs is not the same as chucking plastic at them. That would be much more reckless and fun :D But really, you should try at all costs not to endanger anyone on the course. And you should also try not to be an idiot and slow other people down unnecessarily. Can't we all just get along? (see rest of thread for answer...:rolleyes:)

[DGtourist]

Pay attention! No one said they were chucking plastic at anyone. As aforementioned starting a hole while the group ahead is practicing putting with several different discs is not the same as chucking plastic at them. That would be much more reckless and fun :D But really, you should try at all costs not to endanger anyone on the course. And you should also try not to be an idiot and slow other people down unnecessarily. Can't we all just get along? (see rest of thread for answer...:rolleyes:)

Dude, we're cool, I have the ability to type at someone in CAPS and still not be angry. This is only the internet. It looked like you were trying to put chucking at someone on the same plane as being slow. But I guess you agree that its apples to oranges.

[atl scott]

Dude, we're cool, I have the ability to type at someone in CAPS and still not be angry. This is only the internet. It looked like you were trying to put chucking at someone on the same plane as being slow. But I guess you agree that its apples to oranges.

Nope, I think its on the same plane. :D At least in that both are outside the realm of simple courtesy. But then of course one could endanger other people... only if you practice enough to get good.

btw, see the thread on hitting people to read my stories of getting hit three times in the last few months. I wouldn't recommend it to anyone.

[brokenfixed]

Pay attention! No one said they were chucking plastic at anyone. As aforementioned starting a hole while the group ahead is practicing putting with several different discs is not the same as chucking plastic at them.:)

Couldnt have said it better myself...haha...Actually I guess I couldnt. Some of you guys get way too peace police and blow things way out of proportion. Mustve been all the smear campaigning last week...haha

Either way you shouldnt be afraid to stand up for yourself when people are being disrespectful on the course. Waiting for people to finish being morons doesnt solve the problem, it perpetuates it.

[DGtourist]

Nope, I think its on the same plane. :D At least in that both are outside the realm of simple courtesy. But then of course one could endanger other people... only if you practice enough to get good.

btw, see the thread on hitting people to read my stories of getting hit three times in the last few months. I wouldn't recommend it to anyone.

If you are an angry type of person, you could imagine throwing at people when you practice. One could also manipulate the speed of play to throw off the game of the other people in your group or the groups ahead and behind you. If you consider being uncourteous as part of your game, for me that’s too much to consider when I’m too busy choking putts....

[atl scott]

If you consider being uncourteous as part of your game, for me that’s too much to consider when I’m too busy choking putts....

Being courteous is a part of everything you do in life.

[shirfan]

My home course has enough blind drives and enough traffic that I expect to be hit someday.
I'd be a lot less upset about that than about all the dog walkers and park goers that zombie around another nearby course, completely callous to that fact that they're holding up play.

If someone was clearly throwing at me though, I might help their disc find a new lie at the bottom of a ravine or waterway.

[valkyriefb11]

My home course has enough blind drives and enough traffic that I expect to be hit someday.
I'd be a lot less upset about that than about all the dog walkers and park goers that zombie around another nearby course, completely callous to that fact that they're holding up play.

If someone was clearly throwing at me though, I might help their disc find a new lie at the bottom of a ravine or waterway.

You actually bring up a bigger pet-peeve of mine than slow DGers. I cant stand people who decide to use the DG course as their walking trail rather than using the regular walking trails. They rarely pay attention to the people playing the course and are often ruder than slow DGers

[atl scott]

I'd be a lot less upset about that than about all the dog walkers and park goers that zombie around another nearby course, completely callous to that fact that they're holding up play.

It's my understanding that most (if not all) courses in public parks give all park users right of way before disc golfers. We're there as a bonus. It's not just our park and allowing other people to still be able to use the land is I'm sure a reason we are allowed in so many parks.

If someone was clearly throwing at me though, I might help their disc find a new lie at the bottom of a ravine or waterway.

I know the feeling.

[Midnightbiker]

What makes me crazy is people using the park and sometimes just sitting in the fairway.

[gcoghill]

Some guy the other day on my home course teed off, and got a phone call as he was walking to his disc. Dude stands about halfway to the basket and just continues to talk, not even looking for his disc.

His buddy had already thrown and lost his disc in the woods, and was still looking for it. After about 3 minutes, I said "screw it" and threw the drive. I knew I could easily throw past him, which I did.

Walked right by him (still on his phone, just standing there) and he gives me the stink-eye! I just smiled, nodded and walked past him.

His buddy was cool though, I told him I didn't want to be rude but his friend was out there dicking around and he was cool about it.

And the other day a woman was wandering around aimlessly at the 18th hole. I waited 5 minutes and then had to walk over there to say something. I startled her, and she apologized -- she was walking around looking for fall leaves for some craft project or something!! LOL. She was cool, I didn't even have to say anything (I walked over with an orange driver, figured she would get the idea).

[Midnightbiker]

I wish people around here would get the idea. We have a park with a course, with a map and signs, and people still stare at us like they have no idea what we are doing. I don't get it.

I really wish we could get disc golf out to the public some how.

[gcoghill]

…people still stare at us like they have no idea what we are doing. I don't get it.

Isn't that weird? I see that look on people's faces sometimes as well. They are probably thinking: "Why are those guys throwing frisbees at those European charcoal grills?" :)

[ERicJ]

"Why are those guys throwing frisbees at those European charcoal grills?" :)
I thought they were Australian Kangaroo feeders. :confused:

[brokenfixed]

Some guy the other day on my home course teed off, and got a phone call as he was walking to his disc. Dude stands about halfway to the basket and just continues to talk, not even looking for his disc.

His buddy had already thrown and lost his disc in the woods, and was still looking for it. After about 3 minutes, I said "screw it" and threw the drive. I knew I could easily throw past him, which I did.

Walked right by him (still on his phone, just standing there) and he gives me the stink-eye! I just smiled, nodded and walked past him.

This is exactly what Im talking about. Good for you man

[swellerdiscgolf]

DO YOU LET PEOPLE PLAY THROUGH AFTER YOU TEE OFF IF THEY CATCH YOU OR DO YOU WAIT FOR THEM IF YOU SEE THEM COMING?

[borndasaur]

Minus 1 stroke for a hit.
Minus 2 for a knockdown.
Minus 3 for hitting 2 with 1 throw
Minus 5 if an ambulance must respond
Alibis cost $25 (cash only)
If you hit and kill any squirrels or other creatures of the forest you must eat them.

Seriously though, if you don't know whether or not someone is in range of your throw you probably shouldn't throw. If one gets away from you, a loud "FORE" is in order. Not everyone realizes that we are serious about this sport and most people will respect a patient explanation of the rules of etiquette and course courtesy. If they don't, get medieval on their asses and leave the body as a reminder to others that we mean business.

[borndasaur]

DO YOU LET PEOPLE PLAY THROUGH AFTER YOU TEE OFF IF THEY CATCH YOU OR DO YOU WAIT FOR THEM IF YOU SEE THEM COMING?

This is a judgment call. Sometimes we'll let them tee off and play the hole with us, then let them finish first and tee off and play the next while we wait. Other times, we just wait and let them go on through. If it is a very crowded day we sometimes join with other groups during the round to keep pace with larger groups ahead. (I've met some good people that way.) After a while those strange and disjointed conversations at tee pad after tee pad with people you don't know give way to friendships and alliances or learning and teaching opportunities that help grow the sport. Remember, this supposed to be fun!

[swellerdiscgolf]

When I am playing solo, I will try to play a round with new people, especially if I am at a new course for me. I love to watch others throw and learn from them wether they are new or not, everyone might have something different that works. It's also interesting to see what other courses people in other states recommend or if they have played any courses near your home course.

[trifocal]

Getting my gripe in.
There are more than a few leagues in town. Tues, Wed. Thurs. Sat. and Sunday. They have a 5 buck entry fee and ace pool. Often enough 4 groups will start at once using the shot gun start format. So... amateurs playing for money really slows the pace down on the entire course. I'll be cruising a round and then...groups suddenly appear on Holes 1,2, 11 and 12. Or some permutation of that. For the record, these guys are not shy about allowing players to throw thru, buts it is a bit intimidating to stand in the box with four guys sitting on the bench, each one capable of throwing 380 or more. Heaven forbid I should turnover a disc into deep trouble on the right, while they wait for me to play thru. Then, if I do manage a quick 3...it begins again when I catch the next group.

I've learned its more relaxing for me if I just skip a hole or two. And I keep a better flow going with my game. But these groups do slow down the pace of the course with every shot being like the final hole of the US Open or the Master.

It gets slower when they play doubles.

And then, many play skins after weekend leagues and that is slower still.

I guess I'm not complaining so much as whinning..lol...some of these guys were instrumental in getting courses in the ground and do volunteer course clean up and improvements. But, in my dreams, I'd much rather spend more time walking and throwing, than waiting and waiting.

[atl scott]

There's nothing that says guys getting together and playing for a few bucks have any right of way in the park. Just enjoy your round! Oh, and tell them to get over themselves already... it's not the US Open! :eek:

[Innovadude]

Play league, you'll learn to throw 380' instead of worrying about looking bad hitting a bush.

[REDARMY]

round my parts, if you hit someone with a disc (wether on purpose or not)
they automatically keep the disc!!! Ive never been on either side of this situation but ive seen it happen twice, both times they got hit in the body and then picked up the disc, flashed it in the air, and kept walking. Both times the people who threw it didnt argue either. Its almost like an unwritten rule around here!!

there's a similar rule at my home course, with one difference: If you hear someone yell FORE!, it's YOUR responsibility to look around and see if something is flying at you.

Otherwise, if you get hit and didn't hear anything, and don't hear a profuse apology very quickly, it's your disc.

as per playing through, i just always ask. never had anyone tell me no before.

[Lewis]

Play league, you'll learn to throw 380' instead of worrying about looking bad hitting a bush.

Or you could just not worry either way. I have no illusions about my mediocre skills, and I've even taken the plunge and played a few doubles rounds with the Advanced types. It's lots of fun to play doubles, and around here they're friendly folks. I like to think I'm just barely good enough that I only embarrass my self on every third or fourth hole. I know what you mean about the pressure, though. I play much better when nobody's watching.

[Midnightbiker]

I was playing out of town yesterday at a new course with a couple of locals. We teed off and as we got to our first shots, we noticed two guys playing faster up on the tee. We just stood to the side and let them play through. Then, a guy playing solo, walked up and we let him go through as well. It didn't talk long and I just thought that was the nice thing to do since we were playing slower.

[bazkitcase5]

newer players need to learn that they will not be embarassing themselves - sure those guys can throw 380 now, but they had to start somewhere, and they realize this

as innovadude said, join them at league, it will help you become a better player faster by learning from better players - most good players like helping newer players (it makes them feel good to help and show off their knowledge)

[trifocal]

I hear you guys ( innova dude and bazkitcase). These guys are more than generous with postive critiques of my game during informal rounds. I don't play league because I'm not ready to live with being 10 shots out of the money and giving my money away. That isn't fun for me. I see the benefit of leagues, its probably a thread of its own. I was just whinning about my frustration of how leagues can slow the play on entire course.

[Brokensaint]

I always check the board before I play. If a league is playing there within the hour or so, I'll usually just go to a different course if I don't want to join up with them.