New sign style, you likka tha juice?

[billnchristy]

This is strictly an example, the sign shown is completely adequate and I wouldn't want to change it.

Here is my thought, what lacks most signs is the fact that trees are not solid objects like depicted, but they do present a solid object and then a big fat bushy more or less solid object at a higher level. My map to the left tries to represent that by showing you the tree "bush" if you will along with the approximate trunk.

It also shows elevation on the side with the gradient line as well as a normal approach and a star showing the "preferred" or lowest risk line.

So in my pic is my map, the real map and a pic of the the real hole for comparison.

:hfive:

[billnchristy]

For those who hate to click:
http://www.dgcoursereview.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2794&d=1259776024

[sleepy]

An excellent idea!

I love the use of two shapes to depict a tree/bush. The solid squares in the middle make it pretty obvious that it's a solid object and you can't get through there, while the lighter silhouette of the leaves/branches show that it's at least possible to sneak something through.


sleepy

[dreadlock86]

very cool. i wish some of the courses i've played alone for the first time had these.

[Vegan Ray]

Only thing missing is elevation changes from tee to pin(s).

[billnchristy]

Yeah I don't know em but the grade map is supposed to represent that.

[mattdabbs]

Also arrow to the next tee? Nice sign, by the way.

[Mushin No Shin]

I like the prospect of each square being a certain distance, to aid in defining the distance and relation for all the holes objects. Those maps could go a long way in helping to have a good scoring round from the very first visit.

Well done Bill. Well done indeed.

[billnchristy]

Here is an update and more in sign form incorporating comments from before:
http://www.dgcoursereview.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2796&d=1259781749

[NDABRUSH]

This is strictly an example, the sign shown is completely adequate and I wouldn't want to change it.

Here is my thought, what lacks most signs is the fact that trees are not solid objects like depicted, but they do present a solid object and then a big fat bushy more or less solid object at a higher level. My map to the left tries to represent that by showing you the tree "bush" if you will along with the approximate trunk.

It also shows elevation on the side with the gradient line as well as a normal approach and a star showing the "preferred" or lowest risk line.

So in my pic is my map, the real map and a pic of the the real hole for comparison.

:hfive:
The juice is good. Please get me some juice.God I miss Phil Hartman.

[billnchristy]

More juice!, this one represents 3 different kinds of brush/tree hazards.

To the left is relatively thick schule off line, the middle represents high trees that have little to no effect on your shot and on the right is mega thick vietnam schule.

http://www.dgcoursereview.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2797&d=1259784408

[bazillion]

So where's the beer cart?

[DSCJNKY]

I too like the idea of having the grid where each square represented a different distance... making it easier to decifer distances to certain objects. That's a cool idea.

However, I would try to superimpose an illustration or satelite image of the hole as opposed to using squares to represent things... especially since the square could actually be much larger in area than the object it represents.
DSCJNKY

[superberry]

For those who hate to click:
http://www.dgcoursereview.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2794&d=1259776024

I like have the actual photo on the tee sign, as you would see the hole when standing on the tee. Then with some arrows pointing to where the basket is (i.e. in a blind position, over a ridge, or through some specific trees)

On the simple signs I did, I didn't depict the canopy of tree cover, just the trunk itself as an obstacle shown by a dark green circle. Solid pines/brush/etc is a soild green blob on my signs, and long grass that might not be the best place to land but doesn't impact your shot is shown in light green. (See photos on the Winter Park tab)

[Ryan P.]

They're pretty nice. I have always wanted something like that, and only seen it a couple of places. How did you make the signs/What program did you use?

[mike shoys]

de juice is- is gooood, no?

[RHINESEL]

Here is the sign at my home course. Kind of simplistic but they do show the elevation:

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_AmQOmYcOYKc/SiA7YxAVWHI/AAAAAAAAEhg/PThLmcap9JA/s576/IMG_2269.JPG

[BrotherDave]

Bill, I didn't think you did anything constructive around here. Good job buddy!

[Apothecary]

dang those signs are tits. make me want to play tetris.

[billnchristy]

I made them in excel, best misuse of office software ever eh?

I like that sign Rhinesel...pretty simple and good idea there too.

The beauty of excel is you can scale it to just about any resolution, export to web page, then save as image and you go from a little 1 screen 800 pix image to an 8000 pix image with the same resolution as the 800.

[sleepy]

I made them in excel, best misuse of office software ever eh?
Without a doubt. If you'd have asked me to guess what program you used, I never would've guessed Excel. Great job!

[billnchristy]

Now we just need someone to ask me to make some for their course!

[jdggna]

They're pretty sweet bill. Too bad signs like that don't exist. The simple ones are so damn expensive as it it I can't imagine what most companies would charge for something like that!

[zenbot]

You're helping freako southpaws by providing their lines for them?!?

[billnchristy]

I am a freako southpaw. One day we will rise up.

[zenbot]

I am a freako southpaw. One day we will rise up.
Careful there, Hitler Jr.

[Trashthrasher]

Careful there, Hitler Jr.

Left handed Nazi's?

[zud00]

Very cool, seems like it would take a long time to make up signs for an entire course.

[zenbot]

Left handed Nazi's?
Adolf "Chaplin Mustache" Hitler was the most infamous southpaw.

[Trashthrasher]

Adolf "Chaplin Mustache" Hitler was the most infamous southpaw.

No wonder all the anger then.

Those signs look really sweet though. It's a shame that some "Disc Nazi's" would probably just ruin them. In Wisconsin, tee signs don't get any respect (like Rodney Dangerfield R.I.P.), and I can only assume that that it's pretty much the same everywhere else.

[harr0140]

No wonder all the anger then.

Those signs look really sweet though. It's a shame that some "Disc Nazi's" would probably just ruin them. In Wisconsin, tee signs don't get any respect (like Rodney Dangerfield R.I.P.), and I can only assume that that it's pretty much the same everywhere else.

Yeah it sickens me to play valley view like I did today and those signs were paid for and installed this May. I do have an idea I got from my round in Ripon this weekend. Why arent signs installed about 8 feet up a post, so noone can get to the sign. They may need to be slightly bigger but what the douchie's dont see quickly they won't destroy.

[tallpaul]

Resurrecting this thread. We will soon be designing signs for a new layout at O'hauser Park, in Appleton Wisconsin. Course designer would like some way to note which pin is in place. Anyone have pics of good examples of doing this?

[Thumber]

no alternate pin placements but here are examples of the signs our club just installed at Camp Fortune....a ski hill course

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_-YqxRAdtbaM/TDYcEk4FzhI/AAAAAAAADGU/ew-9njQOlGo/s512/1-HOLE-final.jpg

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_-YqxRAdtbaM/TDYcF5QvGgI/AAAAAAAADGk/9G7n-6fzyUA/s512/5-HOLE-final.jpg

Nicest signs I've seen so far

[Vegan Ray]

Pretty nice. ∆elevation would have been a helpful addition. Maybe par, as well.

[Thumber]

we play everything as a 3, even though some are definite 4s. The elevation is fairly obvious when standing there in person

The #5 pic i posted up is a sweet downhill buzz shot or a teebird.....last week I tried a wraith right at the pin and ended up 150 feet down the hill past the basket

[Vegan Ray]

∆elevation (i.e., quantified change in elevation) is exceedingly rarely "obvious", especially on a ski hill course with blind pin locations.

[Thumber]

fair enough

no the signs don't have elevation noted. makes it that much more fun to try to figure out

[Countchunkula]

Nice signs Thumber!

Ray is right though, elevation gain/loss is a very usefull bit of information. Stafford Lake has some of the most informative signs, they list distance and elevation gain/loss for all tee/basket combinations.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/119/312981054_32d0b654d2.jpg

[Vegan Ray]

no the signs don't have elevation noted. makes it that much more fun to try to figure out

Nice logic, leading to the inevitable conclusion that no signage at all = most fun.

[tallpaul]

This pic has part of what I'm looking for; the washer lists possible pin positions. I assume that whatever letter is on top is the current location? What happens though when the screw into the wooden sign becomes loose; which will happen over time? Also, I bet pranksters/vandals can spin the washer. What if back of sign is not wooden? Anyone have any ideas/pics? (There is little to no elevation on course I'm interested in; so, though this info is useful to some; I am more interested in showing pin locations. :))

[Thumber]

Nice logic, leading to the inevitable conclusion that no signage at all = most fun.

sigh

[Countchunkula]

This pic has part of what I'm looking for; the washer lists possible pin positions. I assume that whatever letter is on top is the current location? What happens though when the screw into the wooden sign becomes loose; which will happen over time? Also, I bet pranksters/vandals can spin the washer. What if back of sign is not wooden? Anyone have any ideas/pics? (There is little to no elevation on course I'm interested in; so, though this info is useful to some; I am more interested in showing pin locations. :))

One thing that you could do would be to have holes in the sign representing each pin letter and lock a cheap padlock through the one that is currently in use. This would tell the player which pin was in use, and comedians could not switch the marker so easily.

[billnchristy]

Thats a good idea, especially if it was keyed the same as the basket.

[tallpaul]

I don't understand how this would work...what would the lock attach to? I agree that it would need to be the same key as the basket lock; so you would need only one key as you change basket positions.

[billnchristy]

I am picturing 3 holes in the sign with A, B, C above them and the padlock through the corresponding hole.

[Thumber]

I don't understand how this would work...what would the lock attach to? I agree that it would need to be the same key as the basket lock; so you would need only one key as you change basket positions.

just drill 2 holes for each position so the hasp has something to go through

[NothinButChing]

animated signs are better than actual pictures ... we see whats in front of us we want bird eye ... goes for satellite too since it simplifies the obstacles in the way

[tallpaul]

I think we will just drill a hole and put a bolt through; with nut on the back side of the sign. However, I was hoping someone had an even better idea.

[billnchristy]

You could put dowels with A or B on the post and hang shrunken heads from the correct pin?

[tallpaul]

Now we're talking...O'Hauser Park; would need to be Irish shrunken heads...preferably with crazy, drunken blood shot eyes!!...and red hair?

[mashnut]

The best pin position marker (and the easiest to implement) that I've seen is at Morley Field in San Diego. The map has all the pin positions by letter, then in the bottom corner is each pin position listed with the distance. A grease pen x is put by the current pin position. It doesn't seem to get weathered off easily, and it's easy to change as you're changing the pin positions. It does only work with the plastic or plexiglass covered signs though, and Morley changes their pin positions every week so I'm not sure how it would last if you were leaving the pins in one setup for months at a time.

[tallpaul]

Good input mashnut....I don't think the signs are going to be plexiglass. The traditional signs here; and I am assuming the new ones will be the same; are router cut plastic. They are a nice style and relatively vandal proof; but it is hard to have tons of good information on them; or, at least that has been the case in the past. I will encourage a more detailed orientated sign this time around; and while the style has remained the same; there have been improvements in detail as the years have gone by. It is difficult to list all footages from tees to pins (with three pins and two or three tees); on this type of signage. However, most other styles are easy to vandalize; while these are fairly resistant. Tough to have a win/win situation when the vandals are so prevalent. Another issue is that these signs are fairly expensive; which usually results in only having one per hole. Again, tough to have a win/win situation....

[Mr. Orange]

With Ohauser going to pay for play is vandalism still going to be as prevelant?
If its pay to play informative signs would be great.

[NothinButChing]

directions to next pad is always a good idea for new comers to the course I hate getting lost at thick courses my first time out

[tstack10]

Enjoy decked trails, map or arrows for first time playing courses. I could imagine playing a course like circle c without a guide.

[tallpaul]

I talked with the designer after posting last and he is thinking he's going to be able to put a sign at each tee; thus, cutting back on the information needed on just one sign. I certainly will also encourage next tee info; thanks for that reminder. We are certainly hoping pay to play will result in less vandalism; though the thread put up today regarding twin cities area (where they are installing some of the best maintained courses anywhere); makes me wonder?