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Religion as source of morality?
How shall we do for wives for them that remain, seeing we have sworn by the LORD that we will not give them of our daughters to wives? ... And the congregation sent thither twelve thousand men of the valiantest, and commanded them, saying, Go and smite the inhabitants of Jabeshgilead with the edge of the sword, with the women and the children. And this is the thing that ye shall do, Ye shall utterly destroy every male, and every woman that hath lain by man. And they found among the inhabitants of Jabeshgilead four hundred young virgins, that had known no man by lying with any male: and they brought them unto the camp to Shiloh. Judges 21:7-11
The stories are several. I said "David" and that isn't necessarily accurate of itself but the several stories is what I mean.
The examples of behavior in which your god approves of, even orders, amounts to genocide and rape of children.
Do you think that slavery is moral? Your god does. Where can someone find an official retraction by god of that evil institution within the bible? ( Exodus 21:2 : Leviticus 25:44-46 : Ephesians 6:5 : Colossians 3:22 : 1 Timothy 6:1 : Titus 2:9-10 : 1 Peter 2:18 ) to name a few.
Christian family values?
Give your daughters over to a mob to be raped Genesis 19:8
Incest. Genesis 19:32-36
Human Sacrifice, condoned and allowed by your god Judges 11:29-39
A menstruating woman is nasty! Leviticus 15:19-30
Lying with one will get you banished Leviticus 20:18
Just coming near one makes you unfit to be "just... lawful and right" Ezekiel 18:5-6
Subjugation of women.
God inflicts pain during childbirth as a punishment for eating a magic apple Genesis 3:16
Keep you mouth shut woman! 1 Corinthians 14:34-36 1 Timothy 2:11-15
Your husband is your master. Submit! Ephesians 5:22-24 Colossians 3:18 1 Peter 3:1
How about that for a start? We can cover all the things god commands your should be put to death for later...
Sorry, Dave, that was far from a smackdown. I stand by every word I said in my first post in this thread, and you have done nothing to refute what I said, just spouted a bunch of Biblical hoo-ha to try and numb my brain a bit. You cannot honestly believe that it's possible for anyone to follow every guideline in the Bible, even though the rules are circumstance-specific (obviously).
The Bible lists the circumstances under which you should kill your offspring, oppress people of various lifestyle orientations, slay farm animals ritualistically, and abuse women (among countless other atrocities). "If you had read the Bible, you would know this." Find out the kind of vile things that are contained in this ancient book. It was not written with divine inspiration, it was written by men. Written by men, translated, passed down through several centuries, altered, translated again, etc. It is neither legitimate as a divine work nor as a historical account.
The fact is that in modern times, religion has been made obsolete by scientific research and discovery. We know, factually, that there is zero evidence supporting any supernatural event from the Bible. These are stories that should never have been taken literally. The only practical purpose of religion in the 21st century is to comfort people's fears of death. And I hate to ruin your eternal life fantasy, but when you die, it's just like before you were born.
Way to go, Heathen. You did the research I didn't feel like taking the time to do. There are easily hundreds of quotes that can be found in the Bible showing just how appalling the Christian belief system can be if the text is taken literally.
"Written by men, translated, passed down through several centuries, altered, translated again, etc. It is neither legitimate as a divine work nor as a historical account."
Quoted myself, one more thing I wanted to mention. Do you have any idea how many different versions there are of the Bible? Do you realize there are many other books that were written but didn't "make it" into the Bible? I thought this was supposed to be the word of a supreme being, yet there are so many interpretations and versions that the only logical answer is: they are all false.
Dave: "Evolution, natural selection, survival of the fittest relies on the strong triumphing over the weak."
Just because you dislike a fact or find negative qualities about it, does not make it untrue. Evolution is how all life on earth adapted to the environment over the course of hundreds of millions of years, all sharing a common ancestor that resembled the single celled organisms that live today. The theory of evolution is a "theory" in the same sense that the theory of gravity and the theory that the Earth revolves around the sun are theories. They are working, proven, applicable scientific models, not merely guesses.
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The theory of evolution is a "theory" in the same sense that the theory of gravity
Ummm... it's the
of gravity. There's a great difference between a law and a theory; I hope that you know this. Your statement, along with with much of what you've claimed, is just plain ridiculous and misinformation. But I don't think that you're looking for the truth anyway, so it's not worth the time to provide responses to your claims.
Actually, gravity is both a theory and law.
The word "theory" in my examples would more appropriately be "theorem", as a working and applicable scientific principle. (Though I don't need to explain this to you; you've done nothing to refute any of the information I've listed here. Simply calling it misinformation doesn't discredit any of it. Refuse to acknowledge facts that conflict with your belief system- it's the Christian way.)
I've read a few thousand pages of science books on these topics; you're in way over your head, bud. You should stick to disc golf since you have nothing valid to offer on this topic.
Um....Olorin has a masters degree that pertains to this topic and has read easily 10x what you have read (and probably other credentials - I have only met him once).....and his source material isn't all from "the happy scientist".
As the rules of this forum dictate, let's try to keep cordial - "shut up and go away" does not really fit the bill for grown ups having a respectful conversation.
I don't care what degree he has, that doesn't validate the things he is saying. Though I suspect it is in theology, not science. And the happy scientist website happened to be the first google result that demonstrated my point, no reason to discredit it (you can't just acknowledge that I proved him wrong about the theory/law issue?). You don't know enough about me or my education to make a comparison of us. I don't hear any logical, evidence-based arguments coming from either of you.
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