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How or what made you believe in a god?
I propose that god is a learned process from hand-me-down learning. I propose that we are all born an atheist and only got religion from someone else telling us this is the truth. I propose that not one of the believers here got their beliefs or faith from their own discovery and learning. I do not think that one believer on here, can honestly say you went out and researched all you could about the existence of a god and then decided that you found proof enough that made you say, "There is no doubt about it, there is a god. I have to join a religion and get faith. Now, which one do I go get?"
I don't mean these statements as fact, because I could not possibly know what anyone else went through. However, I do know that people born in other countries, they get "that" god and religion and that version of the "truth."
You have your beliefs, because of where you were born and who you ran into. I highly doubt anyone got their faith on their own research. Belief in a god, Jesus, Buddha, Allah, Zeus, or anything like this is a learned behavior from origin of location and personal association.
I would love for someone to prove me wrong on this. You have your faith, because that is what you were taught and told was the truth. NOT because it is the truth.
BTW, I'm sorry I have been gone for a while. Traveling for work and trying to get more courses under my belt has been taking up lots of my time.
Wow - great question! Glad to see you back here, Donovan.
Thinking out loud here on the theoretics of it, I am inclined to believe that everyone would have to say it was learned:
A) If a belief/longing/search in/for a god, or a higher power, or an ultimate reality or whatever is an innate human instinct, that would be just a "feeling". So to wrap a vocabulary around it (and maybe also a larger framework of how to approach the "feeling"); that would be learned. I do not see how anyone could really separate the two (the instinct and the vocabulary).
B) On the other hand, if it is not instinctive then it would have to be learned/taught.
For me, I was brought up with Christians all around me (way out-numbering any other belief system), so I cannot remember how I first acquired my "knowledge" of God and/or religion. So, I cannot help from personal experience. I am glad however to do my best to try to answer any personal questions on this that might be helpful.
I agree it is learned. Most things we conscious think about we learn. But my point was to push you to notice that it was taught to us without a choice. Spiritual people are raised with a "truth."
What make the truth of god from an Aborigine born and raised in the Outback any more true than a child raised in a small village in China and never having left there or a girl raised in the middle east, or even yourself in a christian upbringing?
Who's truth is the right truth? They cannot all be "The Truth." Everything you can think of to tell me why their version is not the right one, they can say about yours.
There is no instinct on gods. You are not born a believer in anything spiritual. You are born an atheist. Man created these religions, faith and beliefs. Humans are wrong, ALOT! People lie to prove their points throughout human existence. Even if Jesus was a real person (still not convinced it was just one guy that did and said all of those things) he was around at a time where you could start a rumor and it became truth.
Why? Because there was no way to falsify many of things said at that time. So, it became a fact and people did not question it. It was the "whisper game" on a global scale and every one of you on both sides of these topics know that had to happen during that time. There is no way anyone might no have heard some news from someone down the line the embellished things. We all know those people and know they have always existed.
I know that it makes no sense to those who do not believe in a personal God to put any credit into what he has said, so please spare us those comments (not you Donovan). We all get that and do not need to be re-reminded for at least the 20th time. We also get that this cannot be scientifically measured as it is a spiritual dynamic.
God does address this in the Bible pretty directly that seeking after him and noticing him is instinctive (or is somehow innate in humans).
Right after the lyrics for the Byrds' "
Turn! Turn! Turn!
" song, Solomon (no, not Solomon_Trenton
) writes this:
What do workers gain from their toil? I have seen the burden God has laid on the human race. He has made everything beautiful in its time. He has also set eternity in the human heart; yet no one can fathom what God has done from beginning to end. I know that there is nothing better for people than to be happy and to do good while they live. That each of them may eat and drink, and find satisfaction in all their toil—this is the gift of God. I know that everything God does will endure forever; nothing can be added to it and nothing taken from it. God does it so that people will fear him.
So, the desire for fulfillment, the wonderment from beauty, and the longing for "forever" are all things innately human that point people towards God regardless of what they have learned.
Religion is designed for power & control over people.
But that is not what keeps me up at night.
What I can't stand is kids killing themselves because they can't stop touching themselves, people dying in wars over a false belief that their truth is more true, people in poverty still giving money to the church and not feeding their kids, people wasting their lives with focus on something that does no good for this planet. It is a farce. It is fake. And you are living a lie that a group of people made up a long time ago and it has evolved into something that kills, destroys, hates, and ruins the life for many people and not even its own followers. I'm talking about all religions. The good you think they do, doesn't do jack against the horrible atrocities to mankind that it has caused. You are letting it control your life and you have no idea how free your "what you call a soul" can be, until you have let go of all of that crap that you hold true.
All the time you have spent believing in a faith could have been spent on curing cancer or feeding the starving. Praying is worthless and helps no real person on this planet. I say, stop making yourself feel good, because you prayed for something and go help somebody so you can really feel good about accomplishing a real thing. It makes me sick when I think of the time I have wasted on false beliefs and prayer.
WOW, I am sorry I went off, but I feel it needed to be said.
My point if you really wanted to know the truth you would listen to both sides like you belonged to both sides and then you would have something to make "you own" decision on. I hope I did not lose this point with that rant in there. Again sorry about that.
this is the gift of God.
BAH! This is the gift of humanity not some god. But I loved what was being said. That is how we should live. Except live that way without the guilt and wonderment of stuff you can never know.
The apostle Paul writes
For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
So, from creation without specific instruction there is enough evidence for God that he says there is no excuse not to notice him (and worship him).
From what God says, I am led to believe that it is human teaching (and maybe other things too) that blinds (really, more like blurs) people from seeing God and being sensitive to his overtures he makes towards us.
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