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If a god exisits, what is he made up of? We are carbon based life forms. What is god?
I realize this may seem like a stupid question. But the fact is, if he is not made up of anything at all, how can you know he ever was real?
We probably don't need another thread on here, but I hate tangents and losing a threads topic.
Serious response: Imo God is a spirit and so is not "made up of" anything material at all. Spiritual entities exist outside the bounds of the physical universe, are not bound by physical universe laws, and are not amenable of physical universe definitions.
Stupid response: You mean, like, Lancome?
I agree. Donovan; what is your love for your wife made up of? God is spiritual in nature, but he created physical things(us). I do find it very interesting how inquisitive some of his creations are about their creator. On the Meyers-Briggs typology, I am an INFJ. I feel more than I think, and am very intuitive with my decisions. I wonder what some of you sort out as since you have to rationalize , deduce, and prove everything to yourselves.
have to rationalize and prove? i get to, it's what separates us from all other life on this planet.
I agree with dreadlock. All faith, in anything, needs to be open to rational thought and proof.
When I take a trip in an airplane I have faith that the plane probably won't crash. This is based on rational thought, evidence, and proof. (Of course this analogy breaks down a little since some planes do crash.) For example, if someone offered me a plane ride in an ancient rickety 2 seater plane and they didn't even have a pilot's license or any training I would have very little faith in the safety of the plane. Again it's from evidence, proof, and rational thought.
There are many competing claims for spiritual truth-- Christianity, Atheism, Hinduism, Agnosticism, Buddhism, Deism, Islam, Mormonism, cults... Since they make mutually exclusive claims about God and truth how would one decide which is true? As in all things, evidence, proof, and rational thought give me the basis on where to place my faith.
For Christians, since God is the Creator of logic, scientific laws, and our minds rational thinking is being like God and an opportunity to praise Him!
Dunno, Olorin. You don't have to have faith in physics in order for physical phenomena to occur - planes will fly because of the physics of flight, not because people have faith in them.
Deities, OTOH, don't depend on physical laws for their existence. Their existence is validated and made manifest through belief. It raises some interesting questions though, like for instance: If a deity existed and no one believed in him, would he be real?
Just sharing a little something more we were discussing at church last night. I find it even more interesting that if you believe in creationism, that a non physical being(GOD: spiritual in nature) spoke everything else into existence.("Let there be...")
Wrap your head around that for a second...
"If a god exisits, what is he made up of? We are carbon based life forms. What is god?
I realize this may seem like a stupid question. But the fact is, if he is not made up of anything at all, how can you know he ever was real? "
Well the first question to answer a question is "Which God?"
But lets hit the fast forward and say I am only speaking for the Christian God.
Now what does the God of the bible say?
John 4:24 "God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."
Now, what is a Spirit?
To answer that, let's look deeper into what God is not.
Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
In the beginning [of time] God created the heaven [space] and the earth. [matter]
God created time, space, and matter.
So, for God to create time, space, and matter, then obviously God exists 'outside' of time space, and matter. Here is an example:
A man, a potter of trade, makes a cup. How intelligent is it to look inside the cup, and look for the man who created the cup?
not very, hunh?
So, to look within time, space, and matter, for the God that created time, space, and matter is not a very intelligent mindset.
So, 1Jn 4:13 Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.
Lets theologically bypass whether this verse only pertains to Christians, because we can conclude that mankind was created with a spirit, biblical speaking. There are things we call Axioms, aka self evident truths, that actually are totally impossible to prove. Like, do thoughts exist? Sure, we experience thoughts, but have you every given any thought to thought? [pun intended] What color is a thought? What form does a thought have? How much does a thought weigh? I know a brain exists. If you said the brain causes your arm to move, you can show a brain, electric impulses in the nervous system connected to the arm, and the arm itself. Now, if you believe the brain causes 'thoughts', where are the thoughts? Or the imagination, dreams, etc.
Rene Descartes explained it best:
"Cogito ergo sum (French: "Je pense donc je suis"; English: "I think, therefore I am") is a philosophical Latin statement proposed by René Descartes. The simple meaning of the phrase is that someone wondering whether or not they exist is, in and of itself, proof that he does exist — at the very least, there must be an "I" who does the thinking."
This all relies on personal experience.
Now, the problem with dealing with God the way you are trying, is:
Heb 11:6 "But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him."
Now I am narrowing to the Protestant Christian God.
Faith is a must. In fact, if you solely come to God by reason, then you are wasting your time.
Still, I came to God by faith long before I had an experience, the baptism of the Holy Ghost:
Act 2:4 "And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance."
A lot of people talk about this wonderful, beautiful experience, which actually makes me wonder if they really experienced it, because it terrified me. I could not speak English. No matter how hard I tried, I was speaking what I did not know. I saw this happen so many times, but NOW I experienced it for myself.
I experienced, therefore God is. This experience happened long after I had believed, and had faith and trust in God. It was a gift. A personal experience with a personal relationship.
That said, you can either accept my testimony, or call me delusional. But this experience happened only because I have a spirit. You can not find this by sending a camera to the other side of Jupiter.
I often hear ministers say, "I know, that I know, that I know, that I know..." It sounds funny, but I totally understand they experience God in their Spirit.
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