My first Panther was in a three pack I was given for Christmas. It was pink, understable, and 162 grams so it spent a few years in the trunk before I ever really gave it a chance. Once I learned how to control it I could put it on a 300ft straight line approach or a 250ft anhyzer run. My most spectacular Panther shots happen when I aim to slide along the ground straight into the pole, get more glide than I anticipate, and then end up crashing the chains. Just won 6 discs at a CTP contest doing just that with my new Panther.