And while ground rules are being considered, in my opinion I think creeks are treated too subjectively. People often use "if an ant can get to your disc" sort of criteria to determine if a disc is OB. I think if OB exists it should be OB, period. For holes like LC#16, LC#18, BerJuan #1,7,8; I think the OB line(s) should be defined by the junction between the "regular playing/fairway surface elevation" and the inclined bank of the creek. Some, maybe most, would disagree but thats just my opinion. I also think anything right of the creek on LC#18 should be OB....there are acres of fair fairway left of the creek.