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Rain stopped 20 mins. before tee off. It was a bit moist but dried out before the back 9.
See everyone at OSP at 9am next week!
What I really hate about MET is trying to determine what's OB and what's not when the creeks are half-empty.
For example hole 13 (I think), there were parts of the creek with water and parts without. The sign is marked creek and beyond. But we throw out the rule about "if the creek is dry it's not out". I throw into what I consider to be obvious OB off the tee past the dry creekbed into the tall rough. I take a stroke which I think is fair. Further up the hole near the basket there is dry creek. Somebody on our card throws into what would
be OB, and is
OB both on the sign and a painted line on the ground. But since there was no water that player avoids a penalty throw? I have mixed feelings about this situation. Self-policing does not work here, it's too abstract.
Another example, Hole #1. Most of the creekbed is dry. It's OB per the sign. Per our rules, if it lands in a dry part of the creek then it's not OB. So I throw over the creek and my disc finds the tiny patch of water downstream that we couldn't even see from the tee and is submerged. So I take yet another penalty throw. Yet we do not know whether I should throw from where it crossed down inside the creekbed (which is already OB per the sign) or if I pull up on the side of the bank inside the marked OB line or what?
It's too hard to call, you either play the freaking signs or you don't. We were mixing what the sign said with judgment calls based on the creekbed being dry. Plus there are so many small winding creekbeds you can't tell what would have water and what wouldn't if it was full.
IMO, if it's in water then it's OB. If it's BEYOND the creek AND marked OB per the sign then it's OB. No exception for dry creekbed negating marked OB per the sign.
Yeah, found out after the round that y'all had made that exception. Landed in the dry creek bed on 17 and 18 and took my strokes, which apparently nobody else was. Chalk that up to getting there at 9:05 instead of 9 (among other things I can blame on that). I say play the signs. The creeks were hashed out on the signs as well as the land across from them, so to me the creek bed (wet or not) is OB. Sign (if I recall) doesn't say "water and beyond", it visually represented that the creek is OB, regardless of whether there was water or not. So then we can get into the "where does the creek specifically begin" discussion, where the only fool-proof way around that is to use spray paint.
Looking at the schedule I don't think it will be an issue for any of the remaining courses. The only one I don't know about is Bible Ridge.
Yeeah I was just ranting about how I hate policing MetCenter specifically, it's not easy to make the right call in too many situations. Nobody
to call a penalty on himself.
be pretty obvious, if it's submerged then it's OB. ALTHOUGH, there are a couple of big rocks in the MIDDLE of the creeks that stick out above the water.
I played with a group there on Saturday and they were playing pretty casual and saying even though it's in the middle of the creek since it was upon the rock it was playable.
I think we need to make a definite ruling beforehand that if it's in the creek then it is OB, even if it is sitting atop a rock which is surrounded by water.
However, if the rock upon which you land is
physically up against the edge of the creek and not completely surrounded by water
, but definitely and safely touching land's edge, then it's OK. Again, it should be very obvious. You KNOW when you are OB because you're in the middle of the water, and being atop a rock doesn't spare you a penalty throw. I would be glad to demonstrate this down by the #1 basket before we start.
Just my 2-cents.
This is why we rarely play Met. Much too ambiguous and why I try to suggest only playing completely surrounded by water even though it cuts out some difficulty. I was really hoping the rain we had would make most OB very obvious.
"Playing the signs" is good, but if you're by the basket on 18 and go out do you want to run back to the sign to check to make sure? Same thing with the basket on 11, the "creek" snakes right around the basket and doesn't have a definite bank to determine if you're out. Marking it off is the best way, but even then there's room to get screwed. The OB they marked off for the recent tournament was often 1-2 feet away from the bank if the creek. I would be even more pissed if I in a safe spot out of the creek but was still OB because of arbitrary line markings. The best way I can describe the OB at Met is "if it feels like you're out, you're probably out." Kinda lame, but that's how the course feels to me.
As for the exposed rock in a creek Pablo, the rock is in and part of the creek and you're surrounded by OB; therefore, you're out. There's zero grey area there. Rocks near the bank of a creek are no different, if you're touching part of a rock that is only partly in OB but your disc is surrounded, you're out. A bridge, land overhang, or peninsula are the only 2 ways to be "surrounded" by OB and safe. Take the bridge on 10 at Manor, if you land ON the bridge, you are technically "surrounded" by the OB creek underneath you, but the bridge is not coming out of the creek so you are safe to putt from your lie.
If I hadn't been sick the previous week (subsequently if the rest of the house hadn't been either) I would have printed a little course OB sheet to try to help things along. Is there any other courses this league that would benefit from this? Bible Ridge? OSP? I know the creek there has gotten me a couple times. Should we enforce the OB at Manor this league?
"As for the exposed rock in a creek Pablo, the rock is in and part of the creek and you're surrounded by OB; therefore, you're out. There's zero grey area there. Rocks near the bank of a creek are no different, if you're touching part of a rock that is only partly in OB but your disc is surrounded, you're out. A bridge, land overhang, or peninsula are the only 2 ways to be "surrounded" by OB and safe.
By OB at Manor do you mean just calling the water in the creeks, or is there more I'm not aware per signs?
At least y'all got to play Sunday.... A-holes
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