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  1. Spock
    09-28-2011 06:32 PM
    Spock
    Re: peer pressure.
    You write "In case you haven't noticed, I'm not the only one voting your review down. Sawyer is a 2.5 course, not Chili."
    You've tried to make this point several times. Your point is that nobody should ever be allowed to differ from the crowd. And that your friends constitute an authority that can't be questioned. The so-called Argument From Authority never really carries any weight and never wins any arguments. It's the specifics themselves that matter. Who cares whether an idea is popular? What matters is whether it is right.
  2. Spock
    09-28-2011 06:26 PM
    Spock
    Re improvements: you know, the new rubber tee mats at Ellison are kind of nice. I like them better than cement (obviously). But even though the rubber surface is great, I can still find something to complain about: they're too short. I bet everyone you know starts their run-up in the grass behind the mat.
    Moral: just because you like something doesn't mean it can't be better.
    Finally, Sawyer: I've never played it. My guess is that I'd give it a 1, not a 2.5, based on comments I've read. I'll almost certainly never play it, though.
  3. Spock
    09-28-2011 06:22 PM
    Spock
    This forum should be a great place to discuss how different people see course design, so we can change our courses and make them better. If you're just going to use it to swear at people who disagree with you, you're not helping anybody. I'm guessing you personally know the course pro's at Chili. Do you ever make suggestions for improvements? You can't improve something if you think it is perfect.
  4. Spock
    09-28-2011 06:19 PM
    Spock
    I would have guessed that Chili #11 was too open for you: it's pretty hard to find those trees on the left, and it's also pretty hard to go OB on the right except on the very windy days. I agree that it should be a par 5: about 3 300' drives, and 2 putts seems to be the PDGA standards. I think the "pro" level average there is probably about 4.5, meaning it could go either way.
    You say we're allowed to have one giant hole in Roch. But actually, course designers are allowed to do anything they want... the PDGA has no authority of any kind regarding course design, and they know it. The question is: can you make a better course than the one that exists? I say yes, you say no. But still, since you claim that it is impossible to improve Chili in any way, I have to wonder why you don't rate it as a 5 yourself. Can you think of anything that could be improved (i.e., other than signage, bathrooms, and other irrelevant stuff)? If so, what are they?
  5. Spock
    09-28-2011 06:13 PM
    Spock
    Re: fairways: it seems that for ball golf, fairways are about grass. But, for disc golf, fairways are about *air*. Does a space exist that you can visualize a well thrown disc by a competent player travelling without hitting anything? If such a space doesn't exist, then you don't have a fairway. If the best players (i.e., people who can throw a 45 at Ellison, so not me) can't find these holes on a consistent basis (say, 90% of the time), then the fairway is too crowded. In ball golf, it seems that the pros hit the fairways 95% of the time.
  6. Spock
    09-28-2011 06:09 PM
    Spock
    Based on the real estate available, it seems the churchville designer did about the best that could have been done: he mostly stayed away from the public areas and roads and used the foliage that was available. One thing about churchville is that the designer(s) seem to know it has weaknesses, and course changes happen frequently, mostly for the better. I'm sure you've played the new version (i.e., on the other side of the main road). Are any of those holes any good?
  7. Spock
    09-28-2011 06:08 PM
    Spock
    Never having played ball golf, i guess I can't identify with your description as a "ball golf style course". I don't know what that means.
    Yes, I've played churchville, but not for a few years. I know it's been revised recently, and I haven't played the most recent incarnation. BUt you're right: there are some things I liked about it. On the old numbering system, I liked hole 6 (uphill towards the tennis courts), 16 (long uphill, tight at the tee, loose in the middle, and tight at the end), and 17 (open at the front, crowded in the middle but with more than one option, and medium foliage near the basket). I think it was hole 13 that I also liked (drive from the woods through some medium narrow fairway towards a medium-crowded putting green). But I agree, a lot of the other holes were boring.
  8. Spock
    09-28-2011 05:57 PM
    Spock
    Speaking of anhyzer, even though it's kind of easy and short, I like hole 11 at Ellison... it's hard to imagine a more carefully placed hole on that particular piece of real estate.

    When we played Parma this summer, we didn't see any signs. Of course, being responsible adults, we printed the map from the web page before going. We were lucky to find hole 1 because some blackberry pickers pointed it out to us. I guess it had been moved recently. But, the map was good enough for us even though we found the signs unhelpful. As I've mentioned before, I can't imagine complaining about a course based on the signs rather than the layout itself.
  9. Spock
    09-28-2011 05:55 PM
    Spock
    Hey great! We're talking disc golf instead of (just) bashing me. Of course, we're still doing some bashing. I'm sorry for having opinions different than yours.
    I looked at your courses played, and saw idlewild on your wish list, so i assumed you hadn't played it. Sorry for the error. In any case, I haven't played it.
    Re: your discussion of Chili hole 5. it sounds to me like you're describing hole 4. Were the holes been renumbered late this summer, because this is the second time I was confused by this?
    In any case, I also like hole 4 (start at the edge of the woods, over the creek, and end up not far from the hole 2 basket). I usually throw big Hyzer, starting to fall somewhere near the hole 2 basket.
    Re: chili hole 1: I already posted last week that I like this hole.
    Now why do you have to go being childish again and bringing insults about whether you think I can throw anhyzer? Just when I thought we were talking DG for a change. It's not about me, it's about the courses.
  10. Chiefstang
    09-27-2011 06:04 PM
    Chiefstang
    Hole 11 is amazing. Is it far? Yep. But it also has great gaps and traps all the way up the fairway. Find one tree, and you'll likely find more. I feel it should be a par 5, and it was during the Worlds. We're allowed to have a giant hole in Rochestern and Chili is perfect for it.

    And HOW can you say there are no fairways at Chili of all places. The grass is always mowed, and shaped fairways are visible throughout.

    I could go on, but really. This isn't about who can better describe every hole in Rochester. It's about your 2.5 review making no sense. In case you haven't noticed, I'm not the only one voting your review down. Sawyer is a 2.5 course, not Chili.

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