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Forum: Rules Questions & Discussion Today, 07:45 AM
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Posted By JC17393
The 30 second rule doesn't include any provision...

The 30 second rule doesn't include any provision for retrieving one's disc. If it's a matter of re-throwing from the previous lie, the player should already be there, so no additional time should be...
Forum: Tournaments Yesterday, 12:48 PM
Replies: 348
Views: 22,439
Posted By JC17393
Group doesn't have to agree to a provisional. The...

Group doesn't have to agree to a provisional. The player is within his right under the rules to call a provisional particularly when the provisional is thrown because the group call is in dispute.
Forum: Rules Questions & Discussion Yesterday, 11:33 AM
Replies: 55
Views: 1,379
Posted By JC17393
You don't. In fact, the rule was re-written from...

You don't. In fact, the rule was re-written from the old unplayable lie rule specifically to close the double penalty loophole that curt is trying to impose here.

Old rule = unplayable lie = had...
Forum: Tournaments 08-21-2016, 02:24 PM
Replies: 348
Views: 22,439
Posted By JC17393
By my rough calculations, they're adding around...

By my rough calculations, they're adding around $40K to the MPO purse alone (it's probably more but I'm figuring it on the gross entry rather than the net). Few tournaments can boast that kind of...
Forum: Tournaments 08-21-2016, 01:51 PM
Replies: 348
Views: 22,439
Posted By JC17393
It strikes me, as it does with any of these mega...

It strikes me, as it does with any of these mega events, that they'd be better served to at the very least split the Pro and Am sides into different weekends if they want to have big fields. That's...
Forum: Tournaments 08-21-2016, 01:13 PM
Replies: 348
Views: 22,439
Posted By JC17393
In an event using multiple courses like this one,...

In an event using multiple courses like this one, each course has to have a certified official serving as the on-site authority. To distinguish them from the official TD, they're usually called...
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 08-21-2016, 10:24 AM
Replies: 13
Views: 801
Posted By JC17393
Why not a mixed doubles contest? That might be...

Why not a mixed doubles contest? That might be interesting. Pair the highest rated man and woman from each company's team...

McBeth & Jenkins-Doss
Ulibarri & Allen
Rico & Hokom
McCabe &...
Forum: Rules Questions & Discussion 08-20-2016, 08:03 PM
Replies: 55
Views: 1,379
Posted By JC17393
I absolutely think a TD can be wrong. ...

I absolutely think a TD can be wrong. Unfortunately, there's usually only a tiny window in which that wrong can be corrected. Sometimes that window closes as soon as the next throw is made. Other...
Forum: Tournaments 08-20-2016, 07:27 PM
Replies: 348
Views: 22,439
Posted By JC17393
I already did. Provisionals to save time have to...

I already did. Provisionals to save time have to meet the criteria as listed in 804.06.B.1. Optional re-throw is not among the listed criteria. Choosing to throw an optional re-throw over-rules...
Forum: Tournaments 08-20-2016, 06:51 PM
Replies: 348
Views: 22,439
Posted By JC17393
Aray, I feel the need to point out that you're...

Aray, I feel the need to point out that you're quoting my posts out of order, which makes my arguments a lot more disjointed than they were. My understanding of what happened changed as details...
Forum: Tournaments 08-20-2016, 06:23 PM
Replies: 348
Views: 22,439
Posted By JC17393
804.06.B.1. lists three conditions for throwing a...

804.06.B.1. lists three conditions for throwing a provisional that isn't pursuant to settling a disputed ruling...
A. The status of a disc cannot readily be determined; and,
B. The majority of the...
Forum: Tournaments 08-20-2016, 06:11 PM
Replies: 348
Views: 22,439
Posted By JC17393
804.06 B (2) To appeal the group's or an...

804.06 B (2) To appeal the group's or an official's ruling. A set of provisional throws may be taken to complete a hole as part of an appeal when the player disagrees with the group decision and an...
Forum: Tournaments 08-20-2016, 06:05 PM
Replies: 348
Views: 22,439
Posted By JC17393
I keep saying this because I didn't hear what he...

I keep saying this because I didn't hear what he said. All I am going on is what I saw and what's been posted.

If he in fact knew that he was supposed to go to the drop zone but didn't want to,...
Forum: Tournaments 08-20-2016, 05:48 PM
Replies: 348
Views: 22,439
Posted By JC17393
That's not the question though. The question is...

That's not the question though. The question is whether he was supposed to re-tee or go to the drop zone. If there is doubt about that, a provisional is EXACTLY what the player should do. Better...
Forum: Tournaments 08-20-2016, 05:45 PM
Replies: 348
Views: 22,439
Posted By JC17393
He wasn't declaring it an optional re-throw. He...

He wasn't declaring it an optional re-throw. He took the provisional because he was unsure if he had to throw it or proceed straight to the drop zone.

It would seem that Nikko was arguing that...
Forum: Tournaments 08-20-2016, 05:37 PM
Replies: 348
Views: 22,439
Posted By JC17393
Provisionals can also be used if there is a...

Provisionals can also be used if there is a question of where to play the next shot from. In this case, Paul was unsure whether he had to re-tee or go immediately to the drop zone. Had the official...
Forum: Tournaments 08-20-2016, 05:28 PM
Replies: 348
Views: 22,439
Posted By JC17393
Wrong. There is no such thing as not having the...

Wrong. There is no such thing as not having the right to make an optional re-throw. The right can't be taken away by rule. Paul was not attempting to make an optional re-throw, therefore his...
Forum: Tournaments 08-20-2016, 05:26 PM
Replies: 348
Views: 22,439
Posted By JC17393
You don't get "awarded" provisionals. ...

You don't get "awarded" provisionals. Provisional throws are for use at any time there is a question or doubt about the correct way to proceed. Doesn't matter if it is in the caddy book or not, if...
Forum: Tournaments 08-20-2016, 05:12 PM
Replies: 348
Views: 22,439
Posted By JC17393
Not true. If he declared the throw to be a...

Not true. If he declared the throw to be a provisional because he was unsure of whether he had to go to the drop zone immediately or not, the provisional throw can't then be converted to an optional...
Forum: Tournaments 08-20-2016, 05:03 PM
Replies: 348
Views: 22,439
Posted By JC17393
The TD can NOT take away optional re-throw. The...

The TD can NOT take away optional re-throw. The TD can limit OB options, but optional re-throw is not an OB option. It's a completely separate rule.

803.02 B states it unequivocally: "Optional...
Forum: Tournaments 08-20-2016, 04:54 PM
Replies: 348
Views: 22,439
Posted By JC17393
Sounds like it was ruled on correctly. A...

Sounds like it was ruled on correctly. A provisional can not be subsequently declared an optional re-throw, so if that wasn't Paul's intent, then it was correctly discarded when it was ruled...
Forum: Tournaments 08-20-2016, 04:30 PM
Replies: 348
Views: 22,439
Posted By JC17393
I can't say I agree that stroke and distance is...

I can't say I agree that stroke and distance is the worst. Personally, I'm an advocate of that being the standard instead of "last in bounds". However, it still needs to be designed and used...
Forum: Tournaments 08-20-2016, 12:41 PM
Replies: 348
Views: 22,439
Posted By JC17393
Live scoring shows a 17 for a player on hole 13...

Live scoring shows a 17 for a player on hole 13 at the Lake Eureka course. Caddy book shows that the hole is a stroke and distance hole. Isn't this what the PDGA was trying to curtail with their...
Forum: Rules Questions & Discussion 08-19-2016, 07:19 AM
Replies: 17
Views: 682
Posted By JC17393
You understand that many many ball golf course...

You understand that many many ball golf course and tournaments have their own course specific rules that players have to be aware of, some that differ from how the rules work "by default", right? ...
Forum: Tournaments 08-18-2016, 07:38 PM
Replies: 348
Views: 22,439
Posted By JC17393
I'd call it a Worlds hangover. From his...

I'd call it a Worlds hangover. From his interview on Smashboxx last night, I got the impression that Ricky was a bit worn out by the last week and that his whole routine might be a little off.

Of...
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