Originally Posted by mubhcaeb78
Another discussion about the ideal..
While the ideal will be different based on skill.. maybe there can be some consensus on what is just right..
On a wooded fairway what are your preferences for design?
A walled appearance (brp4).. that can make recovery shots very difficult/impossible.
Or using restricting trees (7oaks19).. that give some paths back to basket if outside fairway.
And what width is too narrow? brp 15ish the minimum you'd use? Or go down to 10, 5?
Like you say, a "good" hole is "good" mainly for a specific skill group. This is exactly right and that is why it is so hard to come to a consensus....unless you define who your target player is.
More highly skilled players have more accuracy and distance (of course). So what is not challenging for highly skilled players, is just right for lesser skilled players, and too challenging for even lower skilled players.
Generally speaking.....7Oaks19 looks too easy for Gold, appropriate for Blue (easy-ish birdie/deuce) & White (hardish birdie), and too hard of a par-3 (one drive) hole for Red. Blue&White love this since it is rewarding to get a 2, but a bogey 4 (or worse) are very real possibilities. Gold finds it boring as it is too easy (a 2 is expected, so there is only downside). Red finds it too hard as there are too few 2's to make it exciting.
But, lower Red and below find it fun since a 3 is a challenge/reward and there is plenty of punishment for errant throws.
Of course, there is a place for this hole on most courses as if there is a variety of hole types, it tests a bunch of skills. But if the majority of the course is characterized by this level of hole, the overall playing experience would be a blast for 900-925 rated players, but would not be too exciting for 950+ players. It might be frustrating for <875 rated players.
To answer your question about what is too narrow (in my estimation): If your targeted skill group cannot successfully navigate the gap at halfway down the fairway (or fairway segment) more than 3/4's of the time, it is probably too narrow.