Originally Posted by Drakeab
My summit, wizards, and magic all come out well... I don't think any of them are too floppy though, are they?
Magic or summit are great for working on that, and a beat wizard is fine. Can you throw those on a hyzer line without them flipping up or flattening out at all? If so, it sounds like maybe you're doing something different with the roc, like a different grip or just trying to muscle it too much.