^^^How can you say "favorite" disc company, then dis them in the same breath?
Have you thrown the Shock?
The other "pointless" disc you mention happens to be my favorite driver. To each his own.
FWIW, I am going to pass on the Shock for now. This does not mean it might not become many player's go-to driver as well.
Edit: To Tmart, not ZJ.
MVP Disc Sports