Tursas is 178. Stag is 175. Stag has some slightly swirly rings in the center and is a beautiful deep purple/blue. The Tursas is mostly flat with a nice rounded shoulder. This thing feels JUST like a warship in the hand. Stag has a gradual dome. Can't wait to throw these two hotties. Tursas will go up against my Meteor and the Stag will go up against my 11x Teebird, Totem teebird, and beat star firebird.