Hat size gloves do you wear? I am right between med and large in size. What i do is use a 3 finger power grip. I use my thumb to apply pressure on top of the flight plate where the rim starts underneath. Then i use my ring finger (on right hand) to apply counter pressure on the under side of the rim. Something i learned from feldberg during one of the nonstop dg tournies. Wider rims feel for comfortable than smaller ones now. I dont throw the really wide rims alot but when i do i dont have any trouble. I backhand about 375 on average but i can push it out a little farther. Just one of several tweeks i had to do to get a little more distance.