I had this for sale in the marketplace after I threw it once or twice to check out the flight pattern. The hyzer flips were insane, full turn overs from a ~60 degrees of hyzer on a good rip. No one wanted to buy it, so after a few days, I took it back out and started doing field work with it. This thing really is a touchy finesse disc, but I have pulled off some otherwise impossible lines on my local courses that blow the minds of everyone I'm playing with. Glad I kept it!!