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Old 10-24-2012, 12:59 PM
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I agree that under 350' they aren't showing any turn in calm conditions. I'd agree more with Discspeeds ratings than ZJ's but throwing conditions play a role here for sure.

I also threw one of mine into a road on accident and it scuffed up the wing a bit. Damaged similar to star plastic and didn't change the flight yet.

Most of my friends throw in the 300-360' range for their max D and they've gotten Volts out as far as any other disc they've tried. I've been letting everyone I play with try them out a few times and seeing how they work for them. Seems like a speed 9 Teebird at their power level.

At 420-450' they do show high speed turn, but it's controllable with hyzer or giving it enough height and lateral room to ride out the turn and fade back.

They are working extremely well off the tee for me forehand, especially from a standstill. I'm throwing a little slower and smoother and using no run-up and landing flicks where Quasars and QOLFs would land with a run-up, but I have more control this way.

This is the best tunnel shot disc I've thrown by a longshot.
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Old 10-24-2012, 01:07 PM
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from inbounds inFlight Guide


Distance HST LSF Net
377' -25% 30% 5%
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Old 10-24-2012, 01:10 PM
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Well if I throw it dead flat the turn is there, at 350 or 425. Ratings aren't based off hyzer flips

I'd liken it to a QOLS or Beast rather than an Orc/pd/lf
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Old 10-24-2012, 01:16 PM
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Well if I throw it dead flat the turn is there, at 350 or 425. Ratings aren't based off hyzer flips

I'd liken it to a QOLS or Beast rather than an Orc/pd/lf
I don't know much about Beasts but I found a pearly champ one that was a different mold than current Beasts and it flew a lot like the Volt.

If I throw mine flat, 15-20' high and 350' it just lasers. 375' some tracking to the right, 400' some actual turning but it'll recover. I tend to throw everything with a tiny amount of hyzer though which might be why I didn't find mine as flippy as you and UPS did. My throwing style will definitely skew my opinion some.

I do enjoy exploiting that turn on certain holes around here. I'll throw it flat or a touch of anny and give it a good amount of power and it'll do a late, gradual right turn starting around 300-325' out. I'd do a similar shot with my worn Axis but it's easier to hit lower lines with the Volt and doesn't require as perfect of a throw.
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Old 10-24-2012, 01:18 PM
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Well if I throw it dead flat the turn is there, at 350 or 425. Ratings aren't based off hyzer flips
I'd liken it to a QOLS or Beast rather than an Orc/pd/lf
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Old 10-24-2012, 01:21 PM
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Yeah I'll agree very much like an old mold beast

That's why I'm more -2/2 over -1/2
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Old 10-24-2012, 02:12 PM
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Well if I throw it dead flat the turn is there, at 350 or 425. Ratings aren't based off hyzer flips

I'd liken it to a QOLS or Beast rather than an Orc/pd/lf
It appears to me that according to the InFlight guide, the Volt might be very similar to the well seasoned mid-160s orcs that I've been throwing forever. Looks like I'll have to try one out...
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Old 10-24-2012, 02:20 PM
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Yeah I'll agree very much like an old mold beast

That's why I'm more -2/2 over -1/2
That's totally what I would have rated it after a couple of sessions of throwing it...but not now. It sounds weird, but hear me out because I'm starting to really see a pattern.

Even if you are a skilled thrower and used to testing different discs all the time (and this is even more true the farther away you are from good form/familiarity with different discs), when you throw a new disc you initially impart a little OAT on it. Often it's not even visible. This is especially true when throwing it near full power. It's also especially true when throwing something that "feels" different from what you normally practice with. This is because (my theory) each time you learn a new disc there is a touch of a learning curve in terms of grip and exactly how the disc sets in your hand to rip it most efficiently. I go through the discs in my collection that I've thrown a lot at some point and it's amazing how differently some of them fit in my hand. So until you figure out just how to clamp onto a new shape and release on perfect line with the direction of your power you will get at least a micro amount of OAT.

Now on most discs this is not much of an issue because a micro amount of OAT isn't going to drastically affect a disc's stability (especially today's wider rimmed drivers). However we all know that a little OAT can affect MVP's gyro weighted discs more profoundly. I remember when the Vector came out a lot of people were calling it flippy...I'd been using it for some time at that point and I though people were out of their minds. I even took like 10 different colors/weights/domes to a field and they were all some flavor of pretty darn overstable. This happened because people were getting OAT on it and it was flipping. Over time people grew comfortable with the grip/release and now if someone started a thread called "my new Vector is flippy" it would spark a huge backlash.

Some version of this has happened for every MVP release. I've found each mold less stable initially until I've thrown it for some time. Some discs feel more natural to me than others and this phenomenon is less dramatic, but it's still there.

So back to the Volt...If you averaged the out of the box stability of all the SPDs my Volts match the bottom 1/3 in stability. I've been really spinning them and I'm just not seeing hardly any turn from a flat release, even going 350' into a slight headwind.

I suspect that people are going to initially find the Volt flippy, but over time it will become one of those discs that points to form issues when someone is calling it flippy.
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Old 10-24-2012, 03:59 PM
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This old mold beast comparison is exciting
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Old 10-24-2012, 04:02 PM
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This old mold beast comparison is exciting
Isn't the old mold beast basically an orc?
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