MVP Shock - Page 79

in4d · #**781** 02-24-2013, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Gennataos

It's understandable for folks to feel they were sold a disc which doesn't fly as advertised and be irritated by it. It's also understable folks who are fans of the company would rush to their defense. The easy solution is just dont early adopt. I want the Tangent, but I'll wait until production run reviews are out. If I waffle and pre-order because I can't wait a week or two, that's on me.

No one is defending MVP first run inconsistencies. We just applaud their decision to fix the problem immediately. Its very commendable of them.

I always pre-order 1 or 2 discs and compare how it flies according to the intended flight. The discs that have had inconsistency for me with first runs are the Amp and Shock. Every other disc has been as described.

I just received latest runs from manufacturer a couple weeks ago and they all fly as intended.

Like it has been said before MVP is making discs unlike ANY other company out there, and there will be stumbles along the way. So far they have done an incredible job with overmold discs.

discspeed · #**782** 02-24-2013, 07:36 PM

If you early adopt you are basically becoming a secondary tester (which I suspect is the reason why many early adopt). Early adopting with the expectation that the disc you buy is going to fill a specific role in your competition bag is silly.

ian.w · #**783** 02-24-2013, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by zj1002

overstable doesn't always mean it is HIGH SPEED overstable

I'm not sure that I agree with this statement. I can only speak for myself, but this forum is the only place Ive ever heard people discuss high/low speed stability as two different things. Typically if a company advertises a disc as "slightly overstable" then I assume they are talking about the high speed portion of flight. I understand why some people feel upset with the stability, and I get why somepeople say its your own fault for buying a first run. I'm not sure which way I fell(haven't thrown mine yet). But I think it's a cop out to say we don't know which stability(high or low speed) MVP was referring to when they say "slightly overstable". That being said, I'm super pumped to try a newer shock, just not excited that I bought one already.

discspeed · #**784** 02-24-2013, 08:35 PM

Mark my words...the "early" shocks will be being sought after in the marketplace before long.

ZAMson · #**785** 02-24-2013, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ian.w

I'm not sure that I agree with this statement. I can only speak for myself, but this forum is the only place Ive ever heard people discuss high/low speed stability as two different things. Typically if a company advertises a disc as "slightly overstable" then I assume they are talking about the high speed portion of flight. I understand why some people feel upset with the stability, and I get why somepeople say its your own fault for buying a first run. I'm not sure which way I fell(haven't thrown mine yet). But I think it's a cop out to say we don't know which stability(high or low speed) MVP was referring to when they say "slightly overstable". That being said, I'm super pumped to try a newer shock, just not excited that I bought one already.

ZJ's talking about net stability -- that's what a single-metric rating like Discraft's is talking about. Something could be -1.5 / 3 and be overstable, but not HS overstable. Especially with control drivers you're looking at a net stability to represent the balance between stages, so an overall stable control driver can be a wide spectrum. Flights have many stages and breaking down HS/LS stability is the most simple division.

zj1002 · #**786** 02-24-2013, 08:46 PM

DGR theory reaching DGCR

ZAMson · #**787** 02-24-2013, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by zj1002

DGR theory reaching DGCR

... that worthlessly slow-moving dredge of a site that spawned MVP's founders/designers, local testers, forum testers, and branding commander?

AndyJB · #**788** 02-24-2013, 09:04 PM

I consider, in my own terminology, the Shock to be a neutral driver, much like I do the Volt. If I get a good shot with my Shock (meaning no OAT, wrist angle problems, etc.) It has noticeable turn but fades back more or less nonlinear with my release point. My Volts have very little turn,especially when I throw them, and they generally also fade back more or less to the release point, if not a little to the left. The Volts fade is more forward and less drastic.

As opposed to the Amp, which I consider to be "true" understable...meaning it has a good amount of turn and ahem it fades it is still to the right of my release point.

Whereas my fresh Teebirds, which I consider overstable for my skill level, ride straight and finish to the left of my release point, usually significantly so. These may not be the correct terminologies, but it works for my brain, I guess.

I'm not upset with the Shock by any means. I like it and I can actually carve lines with it, which is something Ive always had trouble with, even with understable discs. I just think their description was a bit off. Saying.g it is "neitral-stable" while maybe not by-the-book correct, is a much more accurate description IMO.