Form Help

[justinf67]

I have been playing for a year or so, but only started to take it seriously a few months ago. I was using only my arm and trying to muscle everything. I have been lurking here for quite a while reading as much as I can. I did the right pec drills and tried to build my throw from the ground up. The hammer pound drills have not clicked with me yet. Mostly, I throw from a standstill as I am more accurate and get just about the same amount of distance since my footwork and weight is crap.

I slowed it down a few days ago and this video is a couple throws from today at the end of a round. Discs were: River, Volt, then Blizzard Destroyer. I got about 300 from the river, 280 so from the volt as it was a bit nose up and I'd guess 325 or so from the destroyer. I can drive upwards of 350 on a good day, but mostly around 280 to 320 is the norm.

Only good thing I see is that I turned on my heel on 2 out of the three throws. It looks like my weight is back some and I am flat footed. Any tips and critique are very welcome. Thanks!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hq2JwIAIMx0

[Erthbndr]

embed for her pleasure. lol

[justinf67]

thanks

[Dan Ensor]

You're sitting back on it, and not getting your weight into the shot. Stay more one your toes.

[sidewinder22]

Loosen way up and focus on releasing the lower arm. Have you read the snap 2009 thread, and checked out the closed shoulder drill?

[Hyzerbomber]

First thing i see is your timing is way off also your run up isn't really a run up, try going out tomorrow and standing still reaching all the way back with your arm so that it is straight, and throw about 5-10 shots like this then, stand sideways and take 1 step but this is the tricky part its a stand still X step this will help your body prepare for a full run up keep practicing this until you feel comfortable, then you can add 1 more step if you look at anyone who throws really far and consistent the one thing they never look like there doing is trying to kill the disc, from what i see also you are def. strong arming the disc. do you ever get sore under your armpit? make sure you get your hips moving in the same motion as your body. Will Schusterick's slow motion video can show you all of this that i just talked about

[Erthbndr]

Originally Posted by Hyzerbomber

First thing i see is your timing is way off also your run up isn't really a run up, try going out tomorrow and standing still reaching all the way back with your arm so that it is straight, and throw about 5-10 shots like this then, stand sideways and take 1 step but this is the tricky part its a stand still X step this will help your body prepare for a full run up keep practicing this until you feel comfortable, then you can add 1 more step if you look at anyone who throws really far and consistent the one thing they never look like there doing is trying to kill the disc, from what i see also you are def. strong arming the disc. do you ever get sore under your armpit? make sure you get your hips moving in the same motion as your body. Will Schusterick's slow motion video can show you all of this that i just talked about

I'm a strong believer of Will's form being awkward. Yes he is a beast, not trying to take that away from him, but he uses his long awkward lanky body to his benefit making it hard to copy his style.

[Hyzerbomber]

i guess i didnt take that into effect because im built identical to him just more meat on my bones, but his form is consistent with anyone who throws smooth and far just he just looks like it is exaggerated cuz of his lankyess

[justinf67]

Originally Posted by Dan Ensor

You're sitting back on it, and not getting your weight into the shot. Stay more one your toes.

I noticed that, def something I am working on and will continue to try and improve on. The video you put on isnt loading for some reason. Just feels a little awkward and throws off the timing when I am on my toes. Practice, practice.

Originally Posted by sidewinder22

Loosen way up and focus on releasing the lower arm. Have you read the snap 2009 thread, and checked out the closed shoulder drill?

I tend to be tense on the teepad, which robs me of power, as tense muscles are not quick muscles. I have attempted breathing and shaking to loosen up, still trying to get there. I have read snap 2009 and closed shoulder drill. Citysmasher was one of the first videos I watched and had an aha moment. I have rebuilt from scratch and putting in practice daily. Old muscle memory peeks its head when I play a round unless I actively think about it. Your commentary on other threads has been super helpful as well, thanks for the assistance.

Originally Posted by Hyzerbomber

First thing i see is your timing is way off also your run up isn't really a run up, try going out tomorrow and standing still reaching all the way back with your arm so that it is straight, and throw about 5-10 shots like this then, stand sideways and take 1 step but this is the tricky part its a stand still X step this will help your body prepare for a full run up keep practicing this until you feel comfortable, then you can add 1 more step if you look at anyone who throws really far and consistent the one thing they never look like there doing is trying to kill the disc, from what i see also you are def. strong arming the disc. do you ever get sore under your armpit? make sure you get your hips moving in the same motion as your body. Will Schusterick's slow motion video can show you all of this that i just talked about

Thanks, timing is my gigantic issue, I cannot for the life of me get it down. I usually do a standstill throw, and have just moved on to this walking x step. When I add speed it gets really wonky. I want to get the timing better on the walking before I move on to the full speed again. I think the strongarming comes from inconsistent snap, as sometimes I feel it rip off my fingers effortlessly, some days not at all.. I will work on smoothing it out more and trying to get more snap so I dont have to strongarm it.

In closing, try to get more snap on the disc to avoid strong arming, fix the timing, get my weight more forward, and try to get comfortable on my toes.
As for the timing am I pulling too early?

[teemkey]

I'm just getting the initial lessons from the Maxing out at 300' thread. The one I'm focusing on is keeping your grip and forearm loose until just before the hit, then clamping down on your thumb and index finger.

The advice for keeping the forearm loose is to practice by holding your upper arms straight out from your shoulders keeping your forearms hanging limp, then swing them using body rotation.

What I'm doing is concentrating on slamming my left shoulder and hip into rotation (rhbh) just as as my right elbow reaches maximum extension and the disc is in right pec drill position. Then, as my forearm is swinging, I pinch the disc between my thumb and index finger like a nun would grab your ear lobe after you made a Jesus joke (hard, really hard).

When I do it right, I get 30-50' more on my drives.

So basically, I suggest you read the thread -- lots of good stuff.