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Old 03-28-2013, 01:09 PM
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I guess you could make the argument that since the axis of the throw is dynamic through out the swing, it really isn't OAT. However, in the shoulders are changing the axis in relation to the hips so I believe it is OAT.
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Old 03-28-2013, 01:18 PM
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I thought it looked more like he was changing his plane with his knees and hips. I figured that ... due to all the talk he just did about not taking the disc off plane with the shoulder.
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Old 03-28-2013, 01:20 PM
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Great. So once I learn to throw without OAT, I'm going to want to learn to throw with OAT? sigh.
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Old 03-28-2013, 01:24 PM
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It's not as bad as you think. Think about it like this: I found out how to manipulate my OAT to make it negligible. Now I need to manipulate it to adjust to different shots.
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Old 03-28-2013, 01:40 PM
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Hold up... I cannot see the video while at work, but...

There is more to OAT than just verticle axis wobble. There is also horizontal axis OAT.
Picture the disc rotating flat without flutter... but instead the axis is not on the center of the disc. Think of a hammer being thown. The axis is not on the center of the handle, it's closer to the massive end. Or, think of the design/shape of the Aerobe Epic. It does not spin on center axis until it flattens out.

EVERY THROW has a brief moment of horizontal axis OAT because we hold the disc with one hand.
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Old 03-28-2013, 01:41 PM
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Even near the hit, if you change your plane alignment, the disc doesn't change relative to the body, only relative to earth. You can pull in a clean line, preserving the disc's relative axis.

What you guys are saying, to me, is that you can't throw an OAT-free shot if you're not standing straight up and down.
Relative to earth is what matters.

Any angle can be thrown without OAT. And body position has nothing to do with OAT, though you can use your body to add OAT to your throw.
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Old 03-28-2013, 01:46 PM
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Relative to earth is what matters.

Any angle can be thrown without OAT. And body position has nothing to do with OAT, though you can use your body to add OAT to your throw.
I'm interested to hear your defense of that statement. The "On Axis" is determined by your body and the disc. You could throw a disc in space, and it would still have an axis it's being moved about. That axis has a pole, just like earth, which is the point where the lever's edge juxtaposed to the disc is connected to the body.

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Old 03-28-2013, 01:56 PM
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Damn, I missed that clinic in the vid. That was at one of the courses I play at.

I'm all confused by the posts on this thread now. I'll just be going back to what I do.
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Old 03-28-2013, 02:13 PM
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First of all, I'll reiterate a key phrase in that video "If you learned a lot from the previous segment, turn your ears off for this next part."

But ... what he's talking about is changing the disc's angle by changing the plane you're delivering the disc on. If you were watching from behind, the first 10 minutes you would see his body as an "|". The next 5 or so minutes, it would look like a "/" to change to a more anhyzer disc angle, or "\" to change to a more hyzer disc angle.


For the question in the vid "Why would you change half-way through your throw": Because it's not comfortable to run up with your body like "/". It's also more disorienting on reachback.
I'll re-reiterate. Figure out throwing on 1 angle first.
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Old 03-28-2013, 02:22 PM
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Great. So once I learn to throw without OAT, I'm going to want to learn to throw with OAT? sigh.
Haha, this...
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