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Old 07-12-2013, 05:35 PM
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Yeah hole 8 has no good bail out area at all. Needs a little wider gap to get to the original tee box.
Hole 8 actually got a good test at Texas Teams, and I was very pleased with the results. The gap to the bailout area got pretty grown in since last November, and the parks guys just didn't have time to address it. I do apologize to everyone -- that is not a good, fair hole in its current state.
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Old 07-12-2013, 05:40 PM
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Is there supposed to be a drop box on Hole #18 of the Creekside Course at Selah? If you cant reach 318 feet or its just real windy are we supposed to just play to the left and try and drive to the short tee box??? What if there is no spotter and you cant tell from the long box if you crossed land or not on your 1st shot. Great hole but with a strong wind it is almost impossible.
We actually had a discussion about the here recently. I don't recall if it was in this thread or maybe the Selah thread.

You should absolutely play to the short tee box and throw across from there. If it's too windy to make it from there, you can play around the water. And you're right about the spotter -- very tough to know without one. That's a big reason why at Am World Doubles we'd played it as a re-tee if you didn't finish in bounds.
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Old 07-15-2013, 11:16 AM
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Hi John! I hope your new endeavor in NY is still going well.

I'm wondering what you can tell us about the two courses being designed near Selah Ranch?

1. Will they be opening to Texas Teams? Will there be time to play it before hand?
2. How will these courses compare to Selah? In difficulty? Multiple boxes? Natural Beauty? Great water hazards?
3. Will there be golf carts ? (I'm guessing they won't be available for tournament play like Am Doubles?)
4. There's been been word of camp sites, are there any other accommodations at the new ranch?

Thanks for your time!
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Old 07-18-2013, 08:14 AM
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Looks like the new courses are at/near the Trey-Deuce Domino Saloon, judging by the pic at this link, and comparing to the pics on the Texas Teams facebook, and also Texas Teams mentioned that there is a real saloon at the site of the new courses. https://www.signmeup.com/site/reg/re...px?fid=C32VBJ7


Plus, Diane Newsom has commented on the pics on the Texas Teams page as if she's the proprietor, and she is the contact listed on the page above.

The address given in the link is: 4450 CR SW 3010, which is south and a little west of Mt Vernon. I didn't see any driving directions to the saloon itself, but they're probably out there with a little digging. Of course I also didn't dig into property ownership records in order to guess where the courses might be, but that could be done as well.
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Old 07-18-2013, 02:42 PM
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^Dang, nice internet detective work
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Old 07-19-2013, 12:07 PM
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^Dang, nice internet detective work
Agreed. Rodney is one of the best researchers out there, and he has scored again. Diane Newsom is indeed one of the owners. Trey Newsom, domino champ, is also a proprietor. When it comes to the courses, they are on adjoining properties, with one owned by Trey and one owned by Diane and her husband Waymon. Now to answer Jeff's questions.
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Old 07-19-2013, 12:21 PM
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i am curious your thoughts on raised baskets. on another thread in this forum there is a discussion regarding them. do you think they are good/bad for the sport? is there a certain design style you think is more appropriate than another?
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Old 07-19-2013, 12:24 PM
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Agreed. Rodney is one of the best researchers out there, and he has scored again.
Ha ha, y'all give me too much credit. I was looking at the facebook photos that Texas Teams posted and I saw that somebody (Diane Newsom) commented on the red turtle with something like: "When y'all come out, try to get a picture of him.".

So from there, it took one google of [Diane Newsom Mt Vernon]. That was it.

Anyway, super-excited about the new courses.
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Old 07-19-2013, 12:25 PM
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Hi John! I hope your new endeavor in NY is still going well.
Thanks, Jeff. The Frost Valley YMCA should have the first 7 1/2 holes playable any day now (Hole #9 will have only the red tee playable), and construction will continue some time after Summer Camp is over. It's going to be an amazing course.

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I'm wondering what you can tell us about the two courses being designed near Selah Ranch?

1. Will they be opening to Texas Teams? Will there be time to play it before hand?
We will be using both courses -- and both Selah courses -- for Texas Teams. As for when they'll be playable, all I can say is we'll do our best. I wouldn't plan on playing either in October, but we'll see.

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2. How will these courses compare to Selah? In difficulty? Multiple boxes? Natural Beauty? Great water hazards?
Difficulty and multiple tee boxes will be comparable. But no place I know of has the great water hazards of Selah. Selah and Trey Deuce are apples and oranges, I would just say to be prepared for four great courses.

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3. Will there be golf carts ? (I'm guessing they won't be available for tournament play like Am Doubles?)
There will probably be carts down the line, but you're right -- not for tournaments.

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4. There's been been word of camp sites, are there any other accommodations at the new ranch?
Not at this point.

With these two new courses, Franklin County will become even more of a major disc golf destination.

One other thing I realized is that, with Frost Valley, Trey Deuce, and the three courses in Live Oak, I currently have 6 courses in progress. That's a personal record. Looking forward to getting them all done, so people can start enjoying them. (And we'll be announcing a new one very soon.)
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Old 07-23-2013, 10:40 PM
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i am curious your thoughts on raised baskets. on another thread in this forum there is a discussion regarding them. do you think they are good/bad for the sport? is there a certain design style you think is more appropriate than another?
I understand that sometime you really want variety, especially on a flat course. And I like the fact that a higher basket often results in a more nose-up putt and brings the wind into play more.

I saw a little of that other thread, but I haven't been there recently. I have a real aversion to anything that looks or feels unnatural, and elevated baskets are in that category for me. I know lots of people feel differently -- I just prefer to keep things as natural as possible.

So I like a basket on top of a mound better than just a raised basket. But if you can't really land on the mound, you may have solved the aesthetic issue, but you may still have playability issues. In Live Oak, Texas we recently built up a green, but we made it 50' in diameter. So you have an elevated basket if you miss the green, but if you hit the green you have a flat putt. To me that's a more elegant solution. Also, the parks department did a great job building it, so I think it's a great aesthetic addition on top of adding to the playing variety. I like that green so much that we've been using it as the cover photo for our Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/HouckDesign?ref=hl I was there yesterday, in fact, and I'm happy to report that the grass has been growing, and the green is now almost 100%... green.

Thanks for the question.
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