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Old 09-30-2013, 12:59 PM
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I'm glad to see that everyone is using well thought-out rational logic and eschewing the usual black and white absolutism of aiding the OP in his quest for knowledge. Because obviously the OP intends to FOREVER sanctify his decisions borne from this thread and never touch a high speed disc or only throw one from now on, right?

The honest answer is: What do you want to do? Does the extra 50 ft from your big dogs help you during rounds or does that disc selection bite you in the backside as often as it helps? Only you know the answer to that.

Would continuing to refine your form with fairways and lower-speed "high speed" stuff ultimately benefit your all-around game and likely lead to improvement with the thin-wing plastic. Undoubtedly. So I think the likely answer, though almost certainly tagged as a 'cop-out' amongst many we've already heard from, is "both." Continue to refine technique with the discs you feel the most comfortable with. Don't abandon anything until you're 100% positive that you can't do anything useful with it. Continue to work on all aspects of your game, but be aware of your own shortcomings and you'll see lower scores as a result.

As your overall game continues to evolve I imagine the nirvana of being able to bomb Wizards 650 ft will open up before you like a porn star being payed by the hour.
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Old 09-30-2013, 03:01 PM
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I'm glad to see that everyone is using well thought-out rational logic and eschewing the usual black and white absolutism of aiding the OP in his quest for knowledge. Because obviously the OP intends to FOREVER sanctify his decisions borne from this thread and never touch a high speed disc or only throw one from now on, right?

The honest answer is: What do you want to do? Does the extra 50 ft from your big dogs help you during rounds or does that disc selection bite you in the backside as often as it helps? Only you know the answer to that.

Would continuing to refine your form with fairways and lower-speed "high speed" stuff ultimately benefit your all-around game and likely lead to improvement with the thin-wing plastic. Undoubtedly. So I think the likely answer, though almost certainly tagged as a 'cop-out' amongst many we've already heard from, is "both." Continue to refine technique with the discs you feel the most comfortable with. Don't abandon anything until you're 100% positive that you can't do anything useful with it. Continue to work on all aspects of your game, but be aware of your own shortcomings and you'll see lower scores as a result.

As your overall game continues to evolve I imagine the nirvana of being able to bomb Wizards 650 ft will open up before you like a porn star being payed by the hour.
Hear hear. Excellent post.

I don't throw over 400' regularly. It's a real stretch for me. I recently started trying out some distance drivers, and I'm in love with the Destroyer. It gives me that extra distance and shapes some really nice lines, even though I may only be getting around 375' with it. But I can control it just fine, and the difference between being able to birdie a 375' hole and having no chance at it is pretty great. I had a 10 footer on a hole today that I've only birdied one time before off of a 50' jump putt. That's significant, and if you told me I shouldn't throw the disc that got me there because I don't meet some arbitrary power level, I'd laugh in your face.

I started playing about 2 years ago too, just like the OP. I sucked badly, so I threw Comets and Wizards in a field and on the course for months. Sometimes that wasn't so fun, and I wondered what I was doing. Eventually, it paid off and I became pretty good with mids and putters. But I still couldn't throw drivers that much better than a Buzzz, which is a problem. Now that I've been focused on driving farther this year, I'm getting more and more distance. Going from 350' to 400'+ is going to be a long process for me, but I'm getting there and seeing progress, even if it's only bit by bit. My scores have dramatically improved though, since I'm able to get deuces on holes I couldn't before.

To sum it all up: throw whatever driver gets you there. If you feel you can control a Destroyer and it benefits your game, throw it. If not, then shelve it for a bit. Always maintain what advances you have, and add to what you're doing. Make sure you experiment with discs too: take them out to a field, throw them against one another, and see what kind of separation you're getting distance wise, or how much control you have with a particular mold. That's the best way to learn. And don't forget to play your own game and follow your gut.
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Old 09-30-2013, 04:20 PM
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where's the "throw a putter in a field" contingent?
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Old 09-30-2013, 05:32 PM
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Love the various answers and knew it would prob be a case of both. In reply to a few, i do regularly turn my leapords, valks, and even wraiths under 170 over. Kinda what started this debate for me. Generally cant flip a tern, wraith or katana up on a hyzer flip but if i really power my flat throws i get them to fly pretty close to flight charts, minus the distance... am a bigger guy220 powelifter, so i know that messes w my arm speed but feel like i get good spin and speed based on skips i see... idk can add to debate by saying i put my atlas and buzzzs 250 + too.....
And i know distance isnt the most important part of game and have at least doubled mine since mid summer last yr. But i travel to play as many course in my area as possible(waterloo ia) and play lots of short courses doing so. And usually finish even or a few under. Just looking for the thoughts since w'loo has some courses w several 400+ a few 5-7s.... and since im just starting tournament play just want to round game out. Putt at home daily. Feild work 2-3 days a week. And min 9 almost daily. Had second ace of season sat at an ace race in cedar falls.
Just some background and replies. Thanks again to all on here
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Old 09-30-2013, 07:22 PM
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Being a bigger guy wont hinder you as much as you think. Im 5 foot 10 and go around 235. Im military, so Im not fat. I regularly compete in powerlifting meets as well. Ive also got a damn barrel chest and short arms. Sure, it took me a lotblonger to bomb drives then it would a six foot six lanky hombre, but its that much sweeter when you are blasting drives our into the ionosphere. I love the Tern, but thet rarely come out, especially given these Korean courses. I crush them much farther than any driver Ive ever thrown, but even on hyzer they need a ton of room to work. Usually on a distance line Im pulling out the OLF or the Volt for the reason that so many others have echoed....control, baby!

I stand by my first post in this thread. Keep practicing with your distance drivers in the field and occasional rounds, but make your fairways your bread and butter. Theres a reason I carry five Teebirds in the bag...hes from 275-380 the Teebird is coming out. Trust your fairways and

PRACTICE, PRACTICE, PRACTICE!

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Old 09-30-2013, 10:54 PM
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That's a decent gap between fairways and distance drivers. You don't like 25-75' extra?
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Old 10-01-2013, 01:09 AM
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Once again, thanks guys. Looks like more prsctice ahead ;-)
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Old 10-01-2013, 11:10 AM
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So ive been playing almost 2 yrs. Distance drivers i throw or have tested are: katanas, wraith , tern, fury,d3, connon, renegade.... maybe a few others. Most consistance big d w terns as of late....averaging 350-375. My issue is i seem to be able to put my leapords, teebirds, stalkersout about 300-325. Without a video on my form any thoughts as to how i can get more distance out of drivers. Or should i just focus on using fairways? Feel like i have decent form and control most days. And play/practice nearly daily... thanks in advance.
I would say that you don't necessarily "have an issue" with your drives. It sounds like you are getting appropriate distances with your discs. I often check the flight charts of discs just to see what the rated distances are for them. Teebirds are out to around 350', and anything above 350' is considered a "distance" driver. So if you are like me and need a distance driver to push 350 then I wouldn't think much of it. I have figured that I can regularly push my TB to 300'+ pretty easily, but if I need 350' or more then I reach for a distance driver. Of course, other things factor into said distances such as wind and release angle, so it's not always a given that you'll make a 350'+ drive automatically.

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Old 10-01-2013, 04:13 PM
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On thing I haven't heard said is its possible you're throwing a little nose up. Most fairways are less sensitive so the wont stall on you but the big d drivers will. Is your higher speed drivers stalling and falling left or are they continuing to fly forward and fade. If it isn't the latter then you may need to concentrate on your nose angles a bit when pulling out the higher speed stuff.
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Old 10-01-2013, 04:19 PM
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As always in these discussions, I ask....why? If you can consistantly drop a 350 ft drive in the fairway, what do you need more distance for. I play the back tees on most courses and rarely find the need for a controlled 450 ft drive. If you are not accurate with distance shots, the are usually not buying you too many strokes. Practice shaping 350 ft drive to land where you want and become the best putter in the game....BAM, McBeth is on the run.
You definitely don't play in west Texas then. We make up for the lack of trees with distance. If you can't drive 425-450' accurately, you won't compete in MPO, or even MA1.
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