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Old 09-04-2011, 12:49 PM
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Look what I found... turns out Alpine Ski Center stocks MVP discs and they had a Labor Day Sale going on. I picked up a 166 M Ion and I'm about to go field test it. I would of grabbed two but they only had one more Medium and it was 165. I still want to grab another in the 172 range so I might order one offline.

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Old 09-04-2011, 04:47 PM
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This has probably been brought up, but would it be possible to make discs with the inside being baseline type plastic and keeping the outside premium? This would be especially good for putters and mids by giving you grip + durabilty.
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Old 09-04-2011, 05:28 PM
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This has probably been brought up, but would it be possible to make discs with the inside being baseline type plastic and keeping the outside premium? This would be especially good for putters and mids by giving you grip + durabilty.
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While that does sound good in theory, it would be impossible to get 2 totally different types of plastic to bond chemically the way MVP's 2 plastics bond. This is integral to the structural integrity of the disc and it's ability to hold together over time. As it stands, no one will ever see a MVP disc that has separated. It would be impossible without precision laser cutting tools or something crazy like that. The bond is actually stronger than the plastics, so under a huge amount of stress theoretically one of the plastics would tear apart before the bond did.
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Old 09-05-2011, 04:20 PM
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How about a full-on base plastic Ion? There are a few of us out there who greatly prefer base plastic for our putters.
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Old 09-05-2011, 04:25 PM
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How about a full-on base plastic Ion? There are a few of us out there who greatly prefer base plastic for our putters.
It has been considered, but we have no immediate plans of this.
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Old 09-05-2011, 04:34 PM
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While that does sound good in theory, it would be impossible to get 2 totally different types of plastic to bond chemically the way MVP's 2 plastics bond. This is integral to the structural integrity of the disc and it's ability to hold together over time. As it stands, no one will ever see a MVP disc that has separated. It would be impossible without precision laser cutting tools or something crazy like that. The bond is actually stronger than the plastics, so under a huge amount of stress theoretically one of the plastics would tear apart before the bond did.
Really? They are doing a pretty simple overmold. Plastic loves being round. Grades of materials would have to be matched up to get similar melt characteristics, but seems pretty easy to me.
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Old 09-05-2011, 04:55 PM
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Really? They are doing a pretty simple overmold. Plastic loves being round. Grades of materials would have to be matched up to get similar melt characteristics, but seems pretty easy to me.
Discspeed is correct. There are a vast amount of different polymers in the plastic industry. When it comes to overmolding you can have two types of bonding (or both) which are a mechanical bond or chemical bond. A mechanical bond is when there is an actual physical member that supports and 'locks' onto within the overmold. Even if the melt flow of the overmold material melts into the core material, they will not chemically bond to each other (Oil/water do not mix for a ballpark reference). Mechanical bonds do not offer the highest load bearing capabilities and are not most common in the practice. The other instance being a chemical bond, is when the two polymers bond to each other down to the molecular level. In some cases the chemical bond is actually stronger than either of the two materials being used. Mixing and matching different polymer families generally do not produce a chemical bond. We ensure the durability and long life of our products with a chemical bond as our discs are of the highest in durability.
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Old 09-05-2011, 05:05 PM
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Really? They are doing a pretty simple overmold. Plastic loves being round. Grades of materials would have to be matched up to get similar melt characteristics, but seems pretty easy to me.
Knowing quite a bit about the inside happenings at MVP and how much work has gone into perfecting their process and products, I'd hardly call it simple or easy. Baseline plastics are totally different from urethane, have different shrink rates, different bonding characteristics, etc. I'm pretty sure MVP has done some preliminary research/testing into this without positive results. They understand the technical issues with it much better than I, but I'm not sure they want to get into the specifics.

Edit...I guess Chad did want to explain.

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Old 09-05-2011, 05:12 PM
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I've decided to give the new ion another chance by playing an entire round with it without throwing anything else. Will report back soon.....Also, when will the axis be available for purchase?
 

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Old 09-05-2011, 05:14 PM
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I've decided to give the new ion another chance by playing an entire round with it without throwing anything else. Will report back soon.....Also, when will the axis be available for purchase?
We have begun preorders already and are expected to be in stores September 16th.
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